Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #31

[Seattle1]

"SHE'S NOT JUST A FLYER," THE BOYFRIEND OF THE MISSING IOWA WOMAN SAYS. PEOPLE SHE HAS TOUCHED THROUGHOUT HER 20 YEARS SHARED THEIR FAVORITE STORIES WITH THE REGISTER.
Luke Nozicka, Des Moines Register

Published 7:16 p.m. CT Aug. 20, 2018 | Updated 9:13 p.m. CT Aug. 20, 2018

Mollie Tibbetts' parents liked the name Grace. At the hospital in San Francisco, they didn't know if their middle child would be a boy or girl. Waiting to find out was an old-school approach — romantic and spontaneous.

But when they looked at her for the first time, they decided she wasn't a Grace, after all.

“Well, she’s more of a Mollie,” Rob Tibbetts remembers saying. .....

People in Brooklyn, a town of about 1,500 residents 70 miles east of Des Moines, say Tibbetts' disappearance has brought out the best in their city. Days after she vanished, at least 200 people gathered for a vigil at the high school, including people with no connection to Tibbetts.

Friends video-called Alexis Lynd, 19, who was vacationing in Florida, from the vigil. Lynd came home early from the trip; she could not enjoy it without knowing where Tibbetts was.
She's nurturing. She's a Harry Potter fan. We all know Mollie Tibbetts' face, but her friends and family say she's so much more.

I'm glad to read that Mollie's town and her people were able to have a vigil without cameras in their faces. There'd been some chatter from posters upset about no vigil, and now we know it happened. This is a long story but a good history on Mollie.

 

[Seattle1]

Dad of missing Iowa jogger Mollie Tibbetts 'reluctantly' returns home to California as investigation continues
By EMILY SHAPIRO
Aug 20, 2018, 8:59 AM ET

"Very reluctantly, I'm being told I sort of need to do this," Rob Tibbetts told ABC affiliate KCRG in Cedar Rapids. "We've called this sort of a halftime, a break."
Dad of missing Iowa jogger 'reluctantly' returns home to California

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m not quite sure why, after a run on a hot July evening, why Mollie wouldn’t have changed out of sweaty clothes to sit and do homework. Or before doing pretty much anything else IF she returned to DJ’s house from her jog safely. It was confirmed by Mollie’s mom in an interview that her jogging clothing (along with armband and shoes)are missing.
I’m curious, for those here who believe Mollie made it home (safe) from jogging and then entered into some other activity, what theories you have for her missing jogging clothing/shoes?

My theory is probably not a good one but I believe that it's possible she may have done a few things I mentioned above, before she took off her jogging clothes and showered. Not everybody gets so sweaty they feel uncomfortable doing things like feeding the dogs, having dinner, ( she was alone so not worried how she looked) and she may have planned on showering but didn't get the chance. What doesn't really make sense is the arm band and cell missing, unless the perp grabbed it himself, so there would be no precise timeline. Or other evidence people would see right away. Unless she was still wearing it while listening to music or something, to be hands free while doing a few things around the house.

 

[wary]

@otto - I’m too tired right now to go back and find your post to quote it, so maybe I’m misinterpreting what I think you posted. But I’m curious why LE would say there was no Snapchat, etc after 7:30 so cryptically when the could have just as easily said it plainly. If that’s truly what they meant wouldn’t it make more sense to just say it? And if that’s in fact what they meant, they’re implying that the “good night” Snapchat was sent while she was out jogging? I can’t wrap my head around that.

Why couldn't the so-called "good night" Snapchat have been sent before she went out jogging? (Since it was an inside picture, it would need to have been taken before or after, right?)

ETA--actually, do we know all of her last communications? We heard about the Snapchat to her boyfriend, because he was interviewed early on. But I assume she had friends she communicated with.

 

[MsBetsy]

I may be mistaken, but I thought he said he fell asleep right after opening it, and that's why he sent her the good morning one right away when he got up. If she did make it back to the house, took a quick shower (and changed from the running clothes the first witness described to those that the last one described), took a quick selfie and was sending it to him when the neighbor saw her walk by using her phone. If she finished her run about 8:15, fed the dogs and let them outside while she took a shower, and put them back into the basement before leaving, it could have been close to 9 by then. MOO

Yes, all true.I think he fell most likely fell asleep as soon as he looked at the message. Whats confusing me about your post, confusion, is how did she pull off feeding the dogs while taking a shower? Do you mean after? Any way I think I get most of what you are saying. But are you thinking she may have disappeared from the house? Or that she may have gone back out?

 

[wary]

It is also possible, before I fall asleep and dream of darn cornfields, that Mollie herself whipped her fitbit and phone and earbuds out a window in the middle of BFE Iowa, Poweshiek Co, to scatter crumbs herself if she was alarmed by the nature of the incident. I think they teach kids that in safety classes now, to drop your ID or something to identify you if someone takes you. She is of a generation where that may have been taught. JMO. Too tired to post a link. Google is your friend. And mine. Wherever you are Mollie, hope you are unharmed and comfortable, and can be brought home any second.

Hmmm--her disposing of her phone would have been amazingly helpful to her abductor--doing his work for him. In what way could doing that possibly help her?

 

[MsBetsy]

"SHE'S NOT JUST A FLYER," THE BOYFRIEND OF THE MISSING IOWA WOMAN SAYS. PEOPLE SHE HAS TOUCHED THROUGHOUT HER 20 YEARS SHARED THEIR FAVORITE STORIES WITH THE REGISTER.
Luke Nozicka, Des Moines Register

Published 7:16 p.m. CT Aug. 20, 2018 | Updated 9:13 p.m. CT Aug. 20, 2018

Mollie Tibbetts' parents liked the name Grace. At the hospital in San Francisco, they didn't know if their middle child would be a boy or girl. Waiting to find out was an old-school approach — romantic and spontaneous.

But when they looked at her for the first time, they decided she wasn't a Grace, after all.

“Well, she’s more of a Mollie,” Rob Tibbetts remembers saying. .....

People in Brooklyn, a town of about 1,500 residents 70 miles east of Des Moines, say Tibbetts' disappearance has brought out the best in their city. Days after she vanished, at least 200 people gathered for a vigil at the high school, including people with no connection to Tibbetts.

Friends video-called Alexis Lynd, 19, who was vacationing in Florida, from the vigil. Lynd came home early from the trip; she could not enjoy it without knowing where Tibbetts was.
She's nurturing. She's a Harry Potter fan. We all know Mollie Tibbetts' face, but her friends and family say she's so much more.

I'm glad to read that Mollie's town and her people were able to have a vigil without cameras in their faces. There'd been some chatter from posters upset about no vigil, and now we know it happened. This is a long story but a good history on Mollie.

Thank you for sharing that!

 

[kkdj]

Come on guys. The most sensible conclusion with what LE has given us is Mollie never made it home. There is no evidence we know of that she made it home. She disappeared while out on her jog. Now, what happened?

 

[MsBetsy]

Hmmm--her disposing of her phone would have been amazingly helpful to her abductor--doing his work for him. In what way could doing that possibly help her?

I think they may have been thinking to help locate her. But since we have no idea where he took her after that, and I doubt he told her his plans, it may simply tell LE that she passed by that area, although I would think her abductor would have bound her in someway to ensure that she wouldn't escape. Not to mention if she did hurl the phone out the window, LE would have NO way of tracking her.

 

[wary]

I think they may have been thinking to help locate her. But since we have no idea where he took her after that, and I doubt he told her his plans, it may simply tell LE that she passed by that area, although I would think her abductor would have bound her in someway to ensure that she wouldn't escape.

But keeping her phone with her as long as possible would do more to help locate her, than throwing it away!

 

[Confusion]

Yes, all true.I think he fell most likely fell asleep as soon as he looked at the message. Whats confusing me about your post, confusion, is how did she pull off feeding the dogs while taking a shower? Do you mean after? Any way I think I get most of what you are saying. But are you thinking she may have disappeared from the house? Or that she may have gone back out?

I guess I didn't make that real clear. I meant she may have fed the dogs, and then let them outside to take care of their business while she took her shower. If that were the way it happened, she would have disappeared on her way to her mother's house.

 

[MsBetsy]

Come on guys. The most sensible conclusion with what LE has given us is Mollie never made it home. There is no evidence we know of that she made it home. She disappeared while out on her jog. Now, what happened?

Are you getting mad at us? JK . I hear you.

 

[kkdj]

Are you getting mad at us? JK . I hear you.

No way! Lol!
Just trying to hone it in a bit.
Gotta be sensible imo.

 

[MsBetsy]

But keeping her phone with her as long as possible would do more to help locate her, than throwing it away!

Right. Only that she passed by, or that she is right near that location. Which would then throw everything off. I believe the perp did away with the phone at the location of the pings, but Not that he necessarily did harm to her or disposed the body there.

 

[Karmakazi]

My theory is probably not a good one but I believe that it's possible she may have done a few things I mentioned above, before she took off her jogging clothes and showered. Not everybody gets so sweaty they feel uncomfortable doing things like feeding the dogs, having dinner, ( she was alone so not worried how she looked) and she may have planned on showering but didn't get the chance. What doesn't really make sense is the arm band and cell missing, unless the perp grabbed it himself, so there would be no precise timeline. Or other evidence people would see right away. Unless she was still wearing it while listening to music or something, to be hands free while doing a few things around the house.

That’s what I’m having trouble with also, msbetsy. The arm band and phone.
And while I think it’s plausible she could have returned and cooled off, done a few things like feed dogs, (that she would have been standing for) i think it’s less likely she would have sat down and done homework without changing to be comfortable. MOO.

 

[kkdj]

The dogs were still in the basement from her jog. 101

 

[MsBetsy]

I guess I didn't make that real clear. I meant she may have fed the dogs, and then let them outside to take care of their business while she took her shower. If that were the way it happened, she would have disappeared on her way to her mother's house.

Ahhh now I get it. I get confused this time of night. But for awhile I did consider that scenario as well. Now I just don't know. There are several theories I find compelling.

 

[dub]

She's nurturing. She's a Harry Potter fan. We all know Mollie Tibbetts' face, but her friends and family say she's so much more.

So here's my question from that article.

What was the deal with the old classmate mollie reached out to a few days before she disappeared?

I have to imagine this has already been checked out, but this article was the first I heard of it.

 

[str8nightowl]

I’m not quite sure why, after a run on a hot July evening, why Mollie wouldn’t have changed out of sweaty clothes to sit and do homework. Or before doing pretty much anything else IF she returned to DJ’s house from her jog safely. It was confirmed by Mollie’s mom in an interview that her jogging clothing (along with armband and shoes)are missing.
I’m curious, for those here who believe Mollie made it home (safe) from jogging and then entered into some other activity, what theories you have for her missing jogging clothing/shoes?

Karmakazi, I was thinking maybe she had talked to someone and had planned on meeting him later. Maybe she talked to him while she was in the middle of jogging to her mom's house (and MAYBE this person had a burner phone that can't be tracked by LE). Maybe that's why witnesses saw her staring at her phone so intently. Maybe in the middle of her run to her mom's she made plans to meet this person later. So that's why she turned around and went back to her boyfriend's house. That could be the reason she didn't go to her mom's to eat brats either. This person may have had a personal matter and told MT that they didn't want anyone else to know (not sure what that would be though that they lied to her about). Maybe he told MT that he trusted ONLY her and only wanted to talk to HER about this matter. So because of that MT didn't tell anyone (and that's why no one talked to her or heard from her after she sent the last text OK about the brats). Also MT seemed so nice and she probably would have helped someone out especially if it was a friend, or a friend of a friend that she trusted. She COULD have come home. Maybe the friend told her that he would meet her as soon as he got off work. So she got home and did some homework really quick. Maybe she didn't have time to take a shower since she was going out later with this person so she left her jogging clothes on. I personally think at some point she slapped her red shirt on (maybe she didn't have any more clothes at the house to wear) so she wouldn't be going to meet this person with a skimpy jogging top on. So that would mean she was wearing the jogging top, jogging pants and her red shirt when this person picked her up. She put the dogs back up in the basement because she was leaving with this person.

Maybe she went to this person's house, a building like a church, another house (I mean there are many possibilities--this person could be a realtor or something and have taken MT to a house that she THOUGHT was his house, but it wasn't--maybe it was a house of someone out of town and he used that house and lied and told MT it was HIS house) and that was about the time MT sent the Snapchat around 9:45 when she WAS in someone else's house. Maybe this person didn't even know she took the Snapchat (could be why LE doesn't want to mention the Snapchat anymore, because it could uncover certain info. especially if they end up getting a search warrant and search people's houses and DT maybe can go with them and give them an idea of someone's house and if that is what he remembers in the Snapchat or not when MT sent it to him). Not sure why she would have had her headphones with her though in this scenario. Maybe she wanted her music with her and decided to take them with her so she could listen to music on the way to the place this person was taking her to or something. That would explain her headphones missing.

Maybe MT was wearing contacts while she was jogging, but took them off when she got home and slapped on her glasses to do homework. Maybe when she left with this person she didn't feel like she needed her glasses or her contacts, especially if she was not going to be driving herself or doing homework or anything that required her to look up close (I am assuming that she is nearsighted). If she is nearsighted (I wish I knew) she would not need her glasses or contacts all the time. It would be good to have them though while driving and in school because you are required to look at things that are up close. I am nearsighted and many times I don't wear my glasses. Back when I used to wear contacts I DID that, however put them in all the time when I went to school or college. However if I didn't need them I didn't wear them, because I tried to get as much use out of them that I could get (the more you use them the more likely you have to replace them and get another pair). The less I wore my contacts the more I saved money (maybe MT was thinking on the same lines).

Then MT was at this person's house or wherever he took her and not long after she sent that Snapchat he made an advance on her and things turned ugly and he hurt MT in an accident. But an accident wouldn't be as planned out. So my other theory (which I think is more likely) is that maybe this person had all this planned out (maybe they knew MT through a friend or they were friends with MT but not a close friend and she THOUGHT she trusted them, and over a certain amount of time they gained her trust to do this) way in advance. Maybe he was also stalking her or something on social media. Maybe he was keeping up with her friends and boyfriend and that's how he found out that she was going to be home alone (making it the perfect time for him to plan all this out and abduct MT and do whatever he wanted to do to her).

Another possibility (and I favor this scenario over the above scenario) is that for SOME reason she went back home. Maybe she remembered at the last minute that she had a homework assignment that she forgot about and she needed to do it and get it turned in. So she decided not to go to her mom's house for brats and headed back to her boyfriend's house to get that assignment done asap so she could turn it in before the deadline. Maybe her phone was going in and out on her way back and she couldn't text her mom back (or maybe she just figured she would text her mom later). Maybe she just figured she would get her brother to take her to work the next day so she would just let her mom and brother know in the morning (why worry about that now). Maybe she got home and did some homework really quick and decided not to change or take a shower right away. Maybe then she took her contacts off when she got home. Maybe she then put on her glasses to do homework. Then maybe after doing homework she sent the Snapchat to her boyfriend from his house.

Then maybe she decided she was going to get a shower and go to bed. Maybe she heard a knock at the door right when she had taken her glasses off (that would mean she would still be in her jogging clothes, red shirt, and no glasses or contacts). She may have also still had her headphones on (because she hadn't had a chance to take them off yet). Then once she opened the door maybe it was a friend that she knew (who she THOUGHT was a friend and who she THOUGHT she trusted). Maybe he lied to her (could have even been a guy or something that worked with her boyfriend and she knew him too as a friend) and said there is an emergency and her boyfriend is hurt and she might want to come with him. Maybe the dogs were barking up a storm and that is about the time she decided to put them up in the basement and she slapped her red shirt on to have a little more cover than just a jogging top. And maybe she still had not had time to take her headphones off. Maybe since the person told her it was an emergency about her boyfriend (or they could have even told her it was something like an emergency about her mom or even her dad) she got frazzled and was all upset and trying to hurry and get out of the house to go with them to find out what happened.

Then right as she walked out the door with him maybe he injected her with something or subdued her with chloroform or something like that. If he did it right at the doorway then there would have been NO evidence in the house. If there was a garage there at her boyfriend's house (not sure if he has a garage) he could have even parked his vehicle in the garage (and at the time she may have thought nothing of it (his vehicle would have been hidden very well that way). And he did what he did to her (like injecting a syringe with something in it that would subdue her) so quick that she didn't know what was happening, and it didn't even give her enough time to react (like trying to call her mom or anyone). And I heard somewhere she would have her Fitbit on because she wore it all the time. These are all far fetched, but POSSIBLE.

Or maybe she DID get abducted while jogging which I think is also possible. It would be easier that way and less evidence left than trying to snatch someone up from the house they are staying in.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Fitbits can record heart rate etc.
If something bad happened to Mollie, the fitbit would have that recorded, if still worn by Mollie.
Police would know.

Not if he got rid of the phone.