Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[MsBetsy]

Yes, that was sort of my point in asking. Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40 pm and called CW for the outside garage door key code. I estimate that CW arrived home sometime around 2:00 pm, and we know he was at the disposal site that morning, but we have no idea how long he was there. We know he made at least two trips up and down those stairs and had to remove bolts, etc. We know he had to dig a grave (unless it was done prior) and a local just told us earlier today how long it took to dig a smaller hole in that soil. I guess it could also depend on how someone defines "quick." IMO, it wasn't.

Considering the amount of time he had, he got things done pretty quickly. Imo

 

[Deleted member 230544]

We don't know whether SW's shoes, suitcase, purse, cell phone etc were placed in the locations they were found by someone other then SW. We can't assume it was SW who placed those articles where they were located by LE.

 

[Nudgee]

I agree, is there anything else in the affadavit we should consider/discuss/debate? Am I correct in thinking that this is only a summary used by LE to support the arrest of CW? Do you have any thoughts on the redaction(s)? Thanks!

Nickynoo..... I have been concerned where it says in the affidavit that CW wanted to "initiate the separation"..... if I was juror I would pay close attention to that. Initiating "A" separation would indicate to me it was a first mention, a shock, whatever...... but initiating "the" separation would lead me to believe it was something discussed prior. How someone reacts to such news and considering he mentions having an emotional conversation, I would press hard to make sure what was stated in the affidavit is concrete.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think she was the first one to be killed. Logic - he planned to do it for a while, and was just waiting for a good moment. But if he failed to kill her that night, absence of girls would be hard to explain to her. So SW had to go first. The delayed flight might have been a bonus, as she was tired and let her guards down. I think that he either killed her close to the purse - if caressing her neck was his habit, she was caught unaware.

The kids were killed when sleeping. He had already passed that line. It was easier. The dog howled when one of them was killed.

Whether the AP heard something, like complaints, or “sometimes I hope something happens to her”, or something else, I don’t know. Online I saw the screenshot with the AP’s name but it might be less relevant as if not one, there might have been another.

He had the night to clean. But there still might have been some smell. In the morning, he got rid of the bodies.

Or.. Maybe he killed her after she found the girls dead. Then had about 3 hours to plan and begin to carry out the next move. Jmo

 

[nwmouse]

To me, CW looks like a stooge in this video. If I didn't hate him so much, I would feel embarrassed for him.

IMOO The way she speaks to him around the 6 minute mark is condescending and he looks like a deer in the headlights. I don't see her as beating him up, abusing the kids or threatening his life. This *is* a situation in which a partner could LEAVE the marriage (Chris) without fearing for his life. Maybe he acted in a fit of rage but we may never know, even AFTER the trial.

 

[MsBetsy]

PommyMommy, I wasn't aware the CW told NU on the phone that day that they were going to separate. That is the first time I heard this??

Yes, that does seem a little strange to say they were on a playdate and then bring up the separation. Is this verified? Because if true, it shows he may have been providing the background to his story. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

PommyMommy, I wasn't aware the CW told NU on the phone that day that they were going to separate. That is the first time I heard this??

"I didn't find out that they were going to separate or anything like that until I called Chris that morning. When I called him and asked him where she was, that's when he told me and I basically told him that that wasn't my [concern] at that particular moment because it wasn't and that their business was their business, that they would either work it out or they wouldn't."
Friend of woman allegedly killed by husband not 'shocked' by his arrest

 

[Nikynoo]

Nickynoo..... I have been concerned where it says in the affidavit that CW wanted to "initiate the separation"..... if I was juror I would pay close attention to that. Initiating "A" separation would indicate to me it was a first mention, a shock, whatever...... but initiating "the" separation would lead me to believe it was something discussed prior. How someone reacts to such news and considering he mentions having an emotional conversation, I would press hard to make sure what was stated in the affidavit is concrete.

The affadavit is only for the purposes of the arrest. It is a summary of certain facts known to LE at the time.

 

[nwmouse]

PommyMommy, I wasn't aware the CW told NU on the phone that day that they were going to separate. That is the first time I heard this??

I didn't know either. This is very interesting!

 

[MsBetsy]

I suppose it’s easier to think logically when your are devoid of empathy. If he is a sociopath, he had a distinct advantage in this regard.

Very true, and may also be a reason that his story seems so unbelievable. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

I didn't know either. This is very interesting!

Are we sure this occurred? It would suggest he is setting himself up for the excuse he will provide later, if so. Jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

With all due respect.... why wouldn't we? It doesn't appear he was being careful, he buried her in a fitted sheet from their bed and left the rest of their bedding in the kitchen trash.

The location of her items look like an unwitting soon to be murdered victim coming home and doing what most of us would do after a trip... to drop your stuff, and head to bed. Except she found her babies murdered, and a rage filled man SHE TRUSTED.

Why would he stage that if he can't even think not to put the bedding in the kitchen trash? Or those precious bodies at his worksite?
Moo moo moo

 

[Charlot123]

Or.. Maybe he killed her after she found the girls dead. Then had about 3 hours to plan and begin to carry out the next move. Jmo

Well, the plan was to get rid of her. The divorce, money, other issues. If the girls are not there, and she is, he still runs a risk. SW was no fool. Even if she trusted him. Plus, the girls are to die only if she dies. He has no hatred to them, he simply does not need them.

 

[nwmouse]

Yes, that does seem a little strange to say they were on a playdate and then bring up the separation. Is this verified? Because if true, it shows he may have been providing the background to his story. Jmo

Absolutely. I was NOT aware that CW told NU they were going to separate. Throws a whole new light on things.

 

[MsBetsy]

The affadavit is only for the purposes of the arrest. It is a summary of certain facts known to LE at the time.

He may have said that to imply that she went into a rage and killed the children as a result. Jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

We don't know whether SW's shoes, suitcase, purse, cell phone etc were placed in the locations they were found by someone other then SW. We can't assume it was SW who placed those articles where they were located by LE.

With all due respect.... why wouldn't we? It doesn't appear he was being careful, he buried her in a fitted sheet from their bed and left the rest of their bedding in the kitchen trash.

The location of her items look like an unwitting soon to be murdered victim coming home and doing what most of us would do after a trip... to drop your stuff, head and head to bed. Except she found her babies murdered, and a rage filled man SHE TRUSTED.

Why would he stage that if he can't even think not to put the bedding in the kitchen trash? Or those precious bodies at his worksite?
Moo moo moo

 

[nwmouse]

Are we sure this occurred? It would suggest he is setting himself up for the excuse he will provide later, if so. Jmo

I just read about it on this thread now by PommyMommy.

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"Yes, and NUA spoke to him about noon or 12:10 pm, IIRC. He told her SW was on a playdate, and that they were going to separate. He didn't come home until after she called LE and Officer Coonrod called for the code. I have a bet with another member here whether the key pad was actually working or not.
PommyMommy, I wasn't aware the CW told NU on the phone that day that they were going to separate. That is the first time I heard this??"

 

[nwmouse]

Considering the amount of time he had, he got things done pretty quickly. Imo

Probably wearing a "thrive" patch. And I say that with disgust...MOO

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Nickynoo..... I have been concerned where it says in the affidavit that CW wanted to "initiate the separation"..... if I was juror I would pay close attention to that. Initiating "A" separation would indicate to me it was a first mention, a shock, whatever...... but initiating "the" separation would lead me to believe it was something discussed prior. How someone reacts to such news and considering he mentions having an emotional conversation, I would press hard to make sure what was stated in the affidavit is concrete.

The way I read this, the officer is just referring to his previous mention of marital separation earlier in the sentence, so that's why he uses 'the' on second mention.

"Chris said he woke up around 5.00 AM and began talking to Shanann about marital separation and informed her he wanted to initiate the separation."

 

[nwmouse]

I think she was the first one to be killed. Logic - he planned to do it for a while, and was just waiting for a good moment. But if he failed to kill her that night, absence of girls would be hard to explain to her. So SW had to go first. The delayed flight might have been a bonus, as she was tired and let her guards down. I think that he either killed her close to the purse - if caressing her neck was his habit, she was caught unaware, or upstairs.

The kids were killed when sleeping. He had already passed that line. It was easier. The dog howled when one of them was killed.

Whether the AP heard something, like complaints, or “sometimes I hope something happens to her”, or something else, I don’t know. Online I saw the screenshot with the AP’s name but it might be less relevant as if not one, there might have been another.

He had the night to clean. But there still might have been some smell. In the morning, he got rid of the bodies.

Its hard to think that this crime was premeditated, as CW was so sloppy and poorly planned.