AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[retiredrickyinCO]

Another possible scenario would be if the neighbor next door misread her clock and instead of being 12:38 (actually 12:31) maybe it was 12:58 (actually 12:51) and that timing would seem to make more sense. And with a digital clock a 3 and a 5 can look very close to one another. If you move just the top vertical segment from the right to the left you change the 3 to the 5. Being they appeared to be elderly coupled with they were out til 11:30 misreading her clock could be a very distinct possibility. If indeed it was at 12:58/12:51 she heard the shots it cuts off 20 minutes the perp was in the house. Food for thought

Just my 02.

 

[MassGuy]

Seriously, why were scent dogs not used?

How do we know they werent?

It’s pretty standard to use dogs in a crime like this. If they used a drone, then it stands to reason they used dogs as well.

 

[Trocroc9]

I understand, and if only one member of the family was kidnapped or harmed I would think this was definitely plausible as kidnapping for ransom is a well-known crime. But in your scenario, who is paying off the debt if the entire family has been killed? Wouldn't it make more sense to kill Denise and kidnap Jayme to force James to pay someone some money? If they are all dead, there is no one left to pay.

This is why the IRS focuses on wage garnishment instead of prison sentencing for most tax crimes. You are worth more to them if you are working and making an income they can garnish than if you are in prison doing nothing.

That is why many people are skeptical. It does not make sense to kill someone who owes you money because your money will never be repaid. If the person is living, there is a chance they can and will pay back the loan.

I get it and understand I’m only playing devils advocate here.. don’t want to be attacked but I know people especially criminals think simply..money will be given to them .. actually a lot of money for a child

 

[Alethea]

Okay. I’m gonna be unpopular for this, but what I have seen from LE is this:
1. Jayme was present during the shootings;
2. LE believes this because of evidence in the 911 call.

This is NOT proof Jayme was home at the time of the 911 call. The disturbance and yelling on the call might be mom and/or dad yelling “Jayme where are you” before they passed. That would lead investigators to believe she was there during the shooting, but she might not have been present for the actual call. Unless we can see LE saying Jayme was for sure home at the time of the call, I have to assume there’s a possibility that she and perps were well clear of the scene before 911 was called.
MOO garbled thought for today. Forgive if I missed something.

LE said they believe this because of evidence from the 911 call and evidence recovered from the home. They have not said what the evidence from the home was so we are left to speculate. My own speculation is they may have a small footprint in blood that matches Jayme's foot size. They could have evidence from Jayme's room that she was harmed in some way in her room. More innocently, they may have had more circumstantial evidence like the clothes she wore to the party were left there, her toothbrush was wet, wet towels were in her room.

 

[Waterdog]

Since we have no idea how they exited. It is quite possible that dad opened the door for the perp, who immediately shot and killed him there. Then perp locked the door and went about doing whatever he did until the 911 call was made. Police may have kicked the door in upon their arrival.

This makes the most sense, but Fitzgerald himself said 2 different things. I think he misspoke and instead of clearing it up he decided to go radio silence about it.

 

[Oller]

I don't think James or Denise had any gambling problems at the casino or otherwise. Posters are brainstorming looking for perps.

BNSO contacted various agencies per the log including state patrol at 2:36, Eau Claire FBI at 4:02, Barron FD, etc. BNSO contacted security at St Croix Casino at 4:32.

Where I live, the casinos are on NA land still called reservations, and they have their own independent police depts. Someone else mentioned if there are issues about NA land or jurisdiction in this case. I think the issue may be that "casino security" operates as a distinct and respected "police agency". Contact at 4:32 AM seems very early in the case to start the tedious effort of reviewing street security cameras. JMO

St. Croix Casino takes video surveillance very seriously; so seriously in fact, that if you work in video surveillance there, once you quit, you are not allowed back on the property for three years. A neighbor of mine and a close relative of mine both worked video surveillance at the Turtle Lake Casino. The neighbor went in 2 years after quitting to do some gambling, and was promptly escorted out of the casino.

JMO, throwing that out there.

 

[Alexsea]

Indeed. Nor would they have contacted Team Adam. Nor would they have issued an Amber Alert.

JMO.

She was certainly there for the shootings. My question is regarding the 911 call. Different timing, IMO.

 

[margarita25]

I live in EC area, how can I help you?

Hi there, I’m not quite sure what I want to ask?

Do people from Barron come into EC for errands, shopping, etc (or vice versa)? What is the crime like there, general demographics, etc.

It’s simply the proximity that requires a further look, imo. I’ll do some initial research and think about this more and get back to you, thanks very much, RoiPD86.

 

[MsBetsy]

Seriously, why were scent dogs not used?

I thought there were in the beginning, when the drone search was done. Not sure but I thought they mentioned dogs as part of the initial search.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I’ve got family all around the Barron area, and rumors and gossip never stay quiet long, but no one has heard anything yet regarding Jayme.

Come on, someone knows something. On the off-chance that someone who knows where Jayme is reads this, please remember that she is a 13 year old girl whose parents are dead. She needs her grandpa and her aunt and her extended family now more than ever. Speak up! Say something! Help save Jayme!

yes i've been thinking about this as well. i'm not even in a small town, but from past experience, the rumor mill gets going pretty quickly when there is an unsolved crime. If there hasn't been anything yet i'm thinking that's either because people who do know fear for their own safety if they said anything, or it really was completely random and residents truly don't know

 

[rainynights]

I am hesitant to ask questions that have already been asked and answered, but this urgent topic is moving so fast it is hard to keep up even when you are following for hours as I have tried to do.

Has there been mention of scent tracker dogs being used at all? Wouldn’t that technique tell us how Jayme was taken from the area?

Seriously, why were scent dogs not used?

A dog/dogs were brought in on the second or third day by LE. There is a video way back in one of the early threads.

Yes, and to add to cody22's post, PommyMommy posted a good video in the media thread that shows the search dogs (video in quote below).

OCT 18, 2018
Video shows views of home including the front door, search efforts including dogs, etc.

 

[Alethea]

Unless they are listed in the will & testament......

I think if we had a disgruntled family member loan shark LE would have already arrested him.

 

[margarita25]

Why do you see it as perfect?

With it being right along the main hwy there it would be easy to get in and out. Also, after doing a 360 on the street view it does not seem like there is much around.

 

[Gardener1850]

That does not mean that the killer was in the house for 1/2 hour or 20 minutes or 10 minutes.

I agree. And I just had a new theory reading this. What if the perp shot twice at the door lock first and that's what the neighbors heard? What if those rounds went through the door and hit James on the other side of it but the door remained closed/locked? So then maybe he tried to kick the door open instead. Perhaps that took time if this was someone who had never broken into a home like this before? IDK, just speculating.

 

[Mom24]

Could be. Maybe the perp was heard giving orders or even the parents crying out.

Just hit me, maybe they knew JC was in the house because the perp was yelling at her using her name. I do believe the parents knew the person which is why they were killed.

 

[DancingMuse]

Here is where I'm at right now, this could change of course, but just kicking around thoughts:

I'm not discounting the possibility that this was random/home invasion gone wrong OR wrong house/mistaken identity, and the only reason Jayme wasn't killed in the house is because perp(s) panicked with the 911 call so they took her and fled. If this is the case, that would mean they were not prepared to hide/dispose of a body and they probably made a lot of mistakes and were disorganized. In this scenario, Jayme will most likely be found sooner rather than later.

However...the longer we go with no direction and no evidence, I'm inclined to believe that this was premeditated to take Jayme. Sadly this means the person knew where they wanted to take her so the chances of finding her become infinitely harder.

Thank you Mesquite, That was perfectly thought out and articulated.

 

[Alexsea]

LE said they believe this because of evidence from the 911 call and evidence recovered from the home. They have not said what the evidence from the home was so we are left to speculate. My own speculation is they may have a small footprint in blood that matches Jayme's foot size. They could have evidence from Jayme's room that she was harmed in some way in her room. More innocently, they may have had more circumstantial evidence like the clothes she wore to the party were left there, her toothbrush was wet, wet towels were in her room.

Understood. Completely agree. She was there during the shootings, but nothing yet still proves she was present during the 911 call. I believe that second bit is unproven with the evidence we have.

 

[Oller]

Hi there, I’m not quite sure what I want to ask?

Do people from Barron come into EC for errands, shopping, etc (or vice versa)? What is the crime like there, General demographics, etc.

It’s simply the proximity that requires a further look, imo. I’ll do some initial research and think about this more and get back to you, thanks very much.

I’ll jump in here, too. People from Barron can go to EC for errands, specifically if they want to go to a “mall”. Rice Lake has a mall, but the Herberger’s just closed recently, and the JCPenney went under there a few years back. Rice Lake also has a Walmart, and a Kohl’s. But, EC has a Target, which is a big deal.

People in Barron are also close enough that they could go to the Twin Cities if they wanted to, but EC is closer to Barron than the TC are.

 

[MsBetsy]

If there were just sounds, how do they know it was Jayme.? Not arguing, you are one of my favorite posters here. Like I said, I’m not winning popular points with this thought.

They also said the only word they could make out was " help." They must have been able to identify the sound of her voice somehow. Whatever they heard, it was enough to conclude that she was there. I don't think they would have made the statement otherwise. If they were unsure, I would think they would say we don't have that information or it can't be revealed. Imo

 

[Stunned]

Here’s what I am really puzzled over.

Who kicks down a door, shoots the place up, and then sticks around for 30(?) minutes, risking the police arriving?!

I can’t make sense of this aspect.

Thank you! That’s keeps going over and over in my head. Unless they were in the right house looking for something.