AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #9

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This may sound like a silly question- but I will ask anyway-- it says that LE went thru 1,000 of the 1,200 tips - does that mean that none so far have generated a lead or given a direction or clue as to where to search what person to interview? Or would the public not be made aware of that anyway?
 
Waterdog said:
I think this is possible. It only crossed my mind because LE did in fact go to the casino after visiting his work.
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Also, I wouldn't find it unusual that some criminals stake out these casinos to prey on people that have won money. Many times the casino will ask if you would like a security person to walk you to your car after winning a large amount of money.
 
Its been my experience that 99.9% of crimes are motivated my either sex, drugs or money.

I don't think this case involves sex. Would be extremely rare for a child molester to kill two people in order to abduct a girl. Its just too easy and less risky to do it in other ways. I will say that I still do consider an unknown boyfriend to be a viable theory though.

It really doesn't seem like this family had a lot of money, however what is nothing to some people may be a lot to others. The family, although they didn't live extravagantly, did seem to keep their daughter busy with extracurricular activities, so they definitely weren't poor. We know the husband had worked Sunday, could this have been a "cash" side job that somebody had found out about? A possibility. But then again, why would they take Jayme?

Drugs don't seem to be an issue with this family, not users, not sellers. However the area seems to have a big meth problem and there is always the possibility that some type of crime is going to occur when those people are around. However, I just don't see how blasting the guy that opens the front door is going to be beneficial, and I don't see why burglars would take a hostage.

So, of these three scenarios, only one (sex) would give me reason to think Jayme may be still alive. I just can't fathom any kind of reasonable scenario as to why someone in search of drugs or money would take the girl? And, if by chance they had some hair brained scheme as to what they were going to do with her, surely the attention this case has brought would have caused them to abort those plans, which wouldn't be good for Jayme.
 
Angleterre said:
When people mention the ‘debt owed’ scenario, then follow it up with ‘Why would Jayme be taken to pay a debt ?’ And other comments like ‘The debt still hasn’t been paid even if they took Jayme’....
This is from my experience and is MOO but if hypothetically ‘Debt owing’ was a reason to murder family members and kidnap a child, it’s not for the debt to be repaid as this will never happen once the parents are deceased. But what it does do is send a message to others that whoever is ‘owed’, is not to be ‘messed with ‘!
It’s like a warning to others in advance, in the event that they can’t or won’t pay up.
Not that I believe that this scenario is applicable here, it’s just to clarify after reading some of the posts.

I don’t know why but my gut instinct is that this person or persons who have committed this atrocious act, are very familiar with the Closs family.
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But nobody seems to know about this hypothetical debt. If the Closs family was known to gamble or known to borrow money from shady sources, surely that would have come out by now. The neighbor lady who seems to pay close attention to all the town gossip (JMO) did not seem especially fond of the family but the worst thing she could find to say is that they were "reclusive" and didn't answer their door when she brought them mail one time. No one has even been selling a story like that as an "unnamed source" to the gossip rags. It's a theory completely made up with nothing to base it on except that there is a casino within 15 miles of their home and IMO it is smearing the victims unnecessarily. But back to your point-- if a loan shark wanted to "send a message" by committing double homicide, wouldn't it require that there at least be common knowledge in the community that the victims were frequent gamblers and owed money? We have no one saying that and no evidence at all that the family had debt like that.
 
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Waterdog said:
#3 — quarterly inspections ...sounds normal. It’s against the law in most places to not have a septic service.
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Barron County law: All new or replacement sewage systems shall have the septic tank pumped by a licensed pumper with 36 months of the date of installation and at least once every 36 months thereafter, or when the sludge level reaches one-third of the liquid capacity of the tank
Sanitary Maintenance Program - Zoning - Barron County, Wisconsin - www.barroncountywi.gov

Every visit was for pumping the holding tank.
 
Waterdog said:
#3 — quarterly inspections ...sounds normal. It’s against the law in most places to not have a septic service.
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Really? Yes, you have to have a septic system but I've never heard of quarterly inspections. They certainly aren't required in the next state over where I'm at. It's recommended by my state to have yearly inspections, I think, but not required. I do know that the loan they took out matched the loan we had to take out two years ago to have ours replaced, so that was my first thought regarding that money.
 
Gardener1850 said:
Today show video from this morning: More than 1,200 tips pour in for missing Jayme Closs
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Thanks, Gardener1850. This still from the video (below) shows an overhead view of the back of the house that I hadn’t seen before.

Still from the Today Show (at :41)
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Still from @Whiskers16 ’s page 1 post for comparison and reference
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Sources:
 
thesnowflakesparkles said:
Barron County law: All new or replacement sewage systems shall have the septic tank pumped by a licensed pumper with 36 months of the date of installation and at least once every 36 months thereafter, or when the sludge level reaches one-third of the liquid capacity of the tank
Sanitary Maintenance Program - Zoning - Barron County, Wisconsin - www.barroncountywi.gov

Every visit was for pumping the holding tank.
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It sounds like they had trouble with theirs, then, to have it pumped that often.
 
andreww said:
Its been my experience that 99.9% of crimes are motivated my either sex, drugs or money.

I don't think this case involves sex. Would be extremely rare for a child molester to kill two people in order to abduct a girl. Its just too easy and less risky to do it in other ways. I will say that I still do consider an unknown boyfriend to be a viable theory though.

It really doesn't seem like this family had a lot of money, however what is nothing to some people may be a lot to others. The family, although they didn't live extravagantly, did seem to keep their daughter busy with extracurricular activities, so they definitely weren't poor. We know the husband had worked Sunday, could this have been a "cash" side job that somebody had found out about? A possibility. But then again, why would they take Jayme?

Drugs don't seem to be an issue with this family, not users, not sellers. However the area seems to have a big meth problem and there is always the possibility that some type of crime is going to occur when those people are around. However, I just don't see how blasting the guy that opens the front door is going to be beneficial, and I don't see why burglars would take a hostage.

So, of these three scenarios, only one (sex) would give me reason to think Jayme may be still alive. I just can't fathom any kind of reasonable scenario as to why someone in search of drugs or money would take the girl? And, if by chance they had some hair brained scheme as to what they were going to do with her, surely the attention this case has brought would have caused them to abort those plans, which wouldn't be good for Jayme.
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One that goes hand in hand with sex is love. Someone might believe he loves Jayme and this was his disturbed way of showing it.
 
Waterdog said:
#3 — quarterly inspections ...sounds normal. It’s against the law in most places to not have a septic service.
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Barron County Sanitary Ordinance Section 17.64 and Comm 83 and 84, Wisconsin Administrative Code requires that owners of private sewage system participate in a Private Sewage System Maintenance and Management Program. All new or replacement sewage systems shall have the septic tank pumped by a licensed pumper with 36 months of the date of installation and at least once every 36 months thereafter, or when the sludge level reaches one-third of the liquid capacity of the tank.

Sanitary Maintenance Program - Zoning - Barron County, Wisconsin - www.barroncountywi.gov
 
Angleterre said:
But stranger abduction and murder is much more rare than we often believe or think .
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Statistics dont really matter overall. It's not a full proof indicator at all that a stranger murderer/kidnapper didn't do this to this family.

Statistics only collects data AFTER the suspect is known showing relationship if any to the victim. It has no useful purpose for unsolved cases.

These kind of cases have happened before so logically it cant be rule it out. Only 2 examples. The Short parents were murdered and their little girl kidnapped.

Joe Duncan did the same but in greater numbers and there are more cases where it has happened.

Statistics didn't mean one thing to the victims who were murdered and kidnapped by a strangers because it did happen to all of them.

Imo
 
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vmmking said:
One thing about the question of James working that day is that I noticed in the article they paraphrase the family member who said he was at work instead of directly quoting him. My sister works swing shift, odd hours, and I could see me saying she couldn't attend a family get together "because of work" even if she wasn't working, but was actually having to sleep at that time because of a weird shift the day before or that night. And I could see a reporter reporting it as me saying she was at work.

So I don't even feel like, without seeing direct quotes, we even know it was said he was working during the family get together. And of course, he could have been working somewhere other than the factory that day. He could have been earning extra cash by cutting firewood with a friend, for instance.
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Why hasn't Jennie-O confirmed his schedule on that Sunday?
 
Seeing they have a big meth problem there, the father or mother could have squealed on someone and they lost their job. They needed money for their addiction, this could be the reason for the rage. I HOPE LE checks out every know meth addict and their friends ASAP.
 
This is pure speculation and more to do with *potential* psychological insight —

In one of the videos by police (on Facebook) it was stated that last year the mom had posts up about Jayme. Lovely post, but I noticed they said last year. What about the last 10-12 months?? What’s been going on? Also, there weren’t many current photos of Jayme available. Just a recent school photo. I don’t always post to fb and maybe the mom wasn’t that into it, but perhaps things changed within the family dynamic to cause her to engage in sm less. Perhaps the mom didn’t talk about her daughter much to give her privacy. Or perhaps, her daughter’s brain was scrambled due to puberty and they had some issues (not a judgement — it’s 90% common at this age and teens always come back around) This family are victims 100% but perhaps there was something going on, maybe online, that friends and family weren’t aware of.

Something does seem “off” to me. That’s all I can say (tos) but this murder and disappearance is due to either complete randomness or the answer is right under the LE’s nose. I don’t have a good feeling about the outcome this AM. ),; Please God, Let me be wrong.
 
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