AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #9

[Gardener1850]

Thanks, Gardener1850. This still from the video (below) shows an overhead view of the back of the house that I hadn’t seen before.

Still from the Today Show (at :41)
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Still from @Whiskers16 ’s page 1 post for comparison and reference
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Sources:

• More than 1,200 tips pour in for missing Jayme Closs
• [12] Fox6, "‘We want to bring Jayme home:’ Investigators release new pictures of missing 13-year-old girl", ‘We want to bring Jayme home:’ Investigators release new pictures of missing 13-year-old girl

Great catch Rainynights! Thank you for the screenshots. It's hard to see through the trees but it looks like there are no stairs going from the deck to the back yard? I think that is important to note-- where the deck stairs are located-- if there was a gunman at the front door it might have been impossible to get out via the side deck without being seen/heard by the person trying to break in. But it could be a convenient exit to the front if the perp wanted to avoid having to step over James' body in the front doorway. JMO.

ETA: Wait, on second look it seems that there may not be any deck stairs at all? What do you all think?

 

[Inthedetails]

A bit OT, I suppose, but I never noticed what beautiful color eyes Jayme has!

jmo

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Once again I am posting from far back in the thread, so please excuse if these thoughts have already been addressed.

Why is there no reward offered? Dont they want Jayme back alive. Or at least a possible of who is involved?

Now I understand too many tips. But dang. Not even a $20k reward mentioned while Mollie Tibbets reward was almost $300k with less murderous deeds already done to others . Jmo.

The first two $1000 rewards in Mollie's case didn't appear until about day 9 of her disappearance. Then it took however much longer for the reward to climb to the bigger amounts. It doesn't happen instantly.

Here’s the still pics and how far it is from the Closs house. Wondering if ATVs were involved.

What were these photos from? I looked but missed the reference.

Thats what I would like to know, as well. Its probably 200 miles , m/l, but "why" Ontonagon County? So (seemingly) random.

One theory I had was that perhaps either James or Denise has a close friend or family member there, who might have been listed as an emergency contact with work, or who a nearby family member told LE about. LE wouldn't break this kind of news over the phone; they would call the local LE to make an in-person visit.

The last post in the last thread asked what the difference between abduction and kidnapping is.

Abduction is the unlawful taking of another person. Kidnapping is a type of abduction where the person kidnapped is forcibly taken and held against their will.

The broader term of abduction includes situations where the person may be taken unlawfully but not against their will. Parental abductions are the most common form of abduction. The child might not be held against their will but they were taken by fraud or against a court order. Assisting a child runaway is another form of abduction, as the child is not taken against their will but they are taken unlawfully as they are supposed to be under the supervision of their parents.

So if law enforcement is saying she was abducted is it safe to say they may think she willingly went with the unsub(s)? By willingly I include she went without a struggle.

And thank you, Alethea!

Yes, thanks @Alethea! I presume they are using the broadest term until they have more information in order to be sure the criteria for the more specific term is met.

Ironically LE seemed to know who they were. Called them out by name (and initials).

If you live down the block and see sirens and lights you may drive down to see what's going on. I would.

I have a friend who is a freelance journalist for our tiny weekly paper. She will sometimes call me when there seems to be some activity nearby to where I live, and I sometimes drive past an incident and report back to her whether it's worth her driving out with her camera, or that there's nothing going on anymore. Granted, not in the middle of the night unless the town was on fire or something... It's possible these folks were known to LE because they are interested in that capacity? (When the full dispatch log was posted in an earlier thread, I thought I saw that one of those people had a 1971 birthdate which is obviously not a teenager. Maybe I got the wrong person?)

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

Really? Yes, you have to have a septic system but I've never heard of quarterly inspections. They certainly aren't required in the next state over where I'm at. It's recommended by my state to have yearly inspections, I think, but not required. I do know that the loan they took out matched the loan we had to take out two years ago to have ours replaced, so that was my first thought regarding that money.

If they had replaced it, I would expect a permit in the GIS website and I am not seeing anything like that. The sanitary permit application was made in 2009, there aren't any other permits that I can see but pumping it out isn't exactly cheap, either.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why hasn't Jennie-O confirmed his schedule on that Sunday?

I have no doubt they have long done so to the proper one who may need that information which would be to the police investigators.

 

[photographer4]

Why hasn't Jennie-O confirmed his schedule on that Sunday?

To the media? Probably bc advised by LE to keep their info under wraps.

 

[Waterdog]

Great catch Rainynights! Thank you for the screenshots. It's hard to see through the trees but it looks like there are no stairs going from the deck to the back yard? I think that is important to note-- where the deck stairs are located-- if there was a gunman at the front door it might have been impossible to get out via the side deck without being seen/heard by the person trying to break in. But it would be a convenient exit to the front if the perp wanted to avoid having to step over James' body in the front doorway. JMO.

ETA: Wait, on second look it seems that there may not be any deck stairs at all? What do you all think?

I see what looks like a round trampoline. Surely there is a back door, or a side door leading to the side deck. I see something at the back of the deck. Could be steps.

 

[fraudqueen]

When does hunting season begin there? Also, do many people hike in that area?

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

If they had replaced it, I would expect a permit in the GIS website and I am not seeing anything like that. The sanitary permit application was made in 2009, there aren't any other permits that I can see but pumping it out isn't exactly cheap, either.

Meant to add link to previous post:
http://www.co.barron.wi.us/GCSWebPortal/Search.aspx?ParcelNumber=006300008000

Edit: The link doesn't work, I will try something else
Edit: You have to click on permits and then one of the blue links for Sanitary

 

[Shurlokt]

Here is the latest from KSTP-TV in Minneapolis.
New Billboards Announce Jayme Closs Search, Vigil Scheduled

 

[jgh91]

RE: Septic tank. It is possible they had a HOLDING tank vs mound or traditional septic. These simply hold waste, don't process it. They need to be pumped fairly often, could even be monthly depending on the size.

They are much cheaper to install than traditional septic tanks. They aren't ideal, but I have seen other homes with them. It isn't insanely uncommon.

 

[Buddha_with_mace]

Good afternoon (for me) everyone. Another day, another few hours going round and round in circles on here. Should be a presser today right? Fingers crossed there's some forward movement in the case, however small it might be!

 

[cluciano63]

It is not for his employers to speak to the public about his schedule or position. I am sure they have spoken to LE.

 

[sunsetbeach]

I think this is possible. It only crossed my mind because LE did in fact go to the casino after visiting his work.

Casinos have cameras and lots of them. Since the casino is on the same highway as the Closs home it would make sense they want that footage. It might show the vehicle of the perpetrator "if" they drove in that direction.

 

[elektroangel]

Edited to add additional information

I have been gone for a while so some of this may have already been covered.

1. <modsnip - sleuthing non POI>
2. 328 AND 366 ARE ENROUTE TO 504 24 1/2AVE.3:27am on the police report. This is odd to me. There isn't one in Barron, the closest is in Cumberland which comes back as a duplex recently owned by a couple from MN. Previous ownership was a rental company, and this may be an investment property considering it's on the lake. So they may not be the residents on the property. But why did police go there?
3. Contact is made with Casino.
4. 328 ADVISED UNITS CLEAR FROM THAT RESIDENCE. [115 - 10/15/2018 4:50:28 AM]
   
5. Unit 366 then goes to Jennie-O
   
   The other home is weird to me. Why did they go there?

 

[Waterdog]

I have a friend who is a freelance journalist for our tiny weekly paper. She will sometimes call me when there seems to be some activity nearby, and I sometimes drive past an incident and report back to her whether it's worth her driving out with her camera, or that there's nothing going on anymore. Granted, not in the middle of the night unless the town was on fire or something... It's possible these folks were known to LE because they are interested in that capacity? When the full dispatch log was posted in an earlier thread, I thought I saw that one of those people had a 1971 birthdate which is obviously not a teenager. Maybe I got the wrong person?

The mom would have had that birth year. She’s 46.

 

[MsBetsy]

Once again I am posting from far back in the thread, so please excuse if these thoughts have already been addressed.



The first two $1000 rewards in Mollie's case didn't appear until about day 9 of her disappearance. Then it took however much longer for the reward to climb to the bigger amounts. It doesn't happen instantly.



What were these photos from? I looked but missed the reference.



One theory I had was that perhaps either James or Denise has a close friend or family member there, who might have been listed as an emergency contact with work, or who a nearby family member told LE about. LE wouldn't break this kind of news over the phone; they would call the local LE to make an in-person visit.





Yes, thanks @Alethea! I presume they are using the broadest term until they have more information in order to be sure the criteria for the more specific term is met.





I have a friend who is a freelance journalist for our tiny weekly paper. She will sometimes call me when there seems to be some activity nearby, and I sometimes drive past an incident and report back to her whether it's worth her driving out with her camera, or that there's nothing going on anymore. Granted, not in the middle of the night unless the town was on fire or something... It's possible these folks were known to LE because they are interested in that capacity? When the full dispatch log was posted in an earlier thread, I thought I saw that one of those people had a 1971 birthdate which is obviously not a teenager. Maybe I got the wrong person?

As to the last part of the post:
I noticed that as well. An adult and I thought an 18 year daughter. Not sure about exact age, but I didn't see that it was two teenagers either. Jmo

 

[Jax49]

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[human]

Just a couple of things I was thinking about:

1. Rural homes don't usually have house numbers on the outside, they have a fire sign at the end of the driveway with the city/town and house number/street address. It is the red metal sign you can see here: Search near Closs house turns up empty in Wisconsin. Locals would know this, I don't know if someone from an urban/suburban area would look for this. I didn't see any house numbers on the Closs house video above.
   
   
2. Ontonagon County appears to be where Denise's family came from and some still reside. There is a public webpage and genealogy tree she appears on.
   
   
3. This is grasping at straws, but I wonder if the septic company has been contacted. They came to the house twelve times in the past three years based on county GIS webpage.

Wow. That is weird. We had our septic emptied once every three years. It is expensive to have it pumped; sounds like they needed a new septic system. Big $$$$$$

 

[bc_in_ec]

When does hunting season begin there? Also, do many people hike in that area?

There are various hunting seasons that are pretty much ongoing in this part of Wisconsin. Bow hunting is allowed right now, and gun hunting (deer) is the week of Thanksgiving.