AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[SkipperKey3]

Wouldn't it be faster and easier to just shoot her? That's where I'm having trouble with this theory. It wouldn't be easy to grab a 13 year old and wrangle her into a car or however they got away. If they were close enough to grab her and take her, they would've been close enough to shoot her and kill her. That's why I think their goal in the first place was to take her.

Not necessarily. In fact, it may be that they just couldn't shoot a child, so they took her.

 

[cluciano63]

Wouldn't it be faster and easier to just shoot her? That's where I'm having trouble with this theory. It wouldn't be easy to grab a 13 year old and wrangle her into a car or however they got away. If they were close enough to grab her and take her, they would've been close enough to shoot her and kill her. That's why I think their goal in the first place was to take her.

Not to mention...then do what with her, once you have her, if you did not come for her? This is where I get stuck. Even “could not kill a child” does not work for me, as taking a person with you is a huge undertaking...if no plan in place.

 

[JohnTate90210]

I guess the major thought about whether James had been to the casino was whether he had some nice winnings that he was followed home for.

 

[rainynights]

Paul Blume on Twitter
11:47 AM (CDT) - 31 Oct 2018 from KMSP Fox 9 Studios

Seen some older Halloween photos of #JaymeCloss floating around social media in recent days. Reminds me so many people continue searching & praying for the 13yo. Authorities still seeking tips as joint LE ground operation scales back in Barron. #FindJayme #FindJaymeCloss



Paul Blume on Twitter
1:00 PM (CDT) - 31 Oct 2018

Nothing new today from Barron Co on the #FindJaymeCloss front. Updated tip count now at 2,100. 1,975 of those have been closed. Sadly, case has clearly slowed now 2+ weeks since #JaymeCloss disappeared. #FindJayme

Chris Fitzgerald on Twitter

 

[SkipperKey3]

Not necessarily. In fact, it may be that they just couldn't shoot a child, so they took her.

Replying to my own post...

I hesitate to suggest this, because I really don't want to go there, but it is also possible that the only reason they took Jayme was because when they saw her, they got other ideas. That doesn't in the least mean that Jayme was the intended target all along. I don't believe she was.

 

[MassGuy]

Not necessarily. In fact, it may be that they just couldn't shoot a child, so they took her.

If you can gun down two innocent people in cold blood, then it’s unlikely that you’d have any issue with killing a child. You don’t just grow a conscience.

They’ve killed two people already, and if they were to release her, they’d be looking at spending the rest of their lives in jail.

Either way they’d have to kill her.

 

[mks762]

Not necessarily. In fact, it may be that they just couldn't shoot a child, so they took her.

I'd buy into this theory a lot easier if she was 3 or 4 years old. Not 13. Keep in mind this person just shot in cold blood two innocent people in front of this 13 year old. I'm not thinking they have much of a conscious. I just don't see her age being something to hold them back after murdering her two parents. But I know there are a good number of people here who do agree with you. I'm not set on one theory by ANY means, just throwing things around again today.
All JMO

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

It is great that they are doing this, but the two technologies are different.

Wisconsin uses criminal databases to search for familial matches within a population that only includes criminals. This is still effective, because crime tends to run in the family.

The method used to catch the Golden state killer, differs a bit.

In that case, a public database was searched for familial matches to the DNA of the Golden State Killer.

Genealogists then used this information to trace his family tree, ultimately landing on James DeAngelo.

Sorry, my post was confusing, 2 similar but different DNA methods. I am focusing on the 2nd. I guess I am wondering this: If LE has suspected DNA why couldn't they use GEOmatch or other public DNA sites that permit LE to access? I can imagine a chain of command issue as well as other legalities but this has been done successfully in other solved crimes. Appreciate your knowledge!!!! TY

 

[carbuff]

I completely agree. I think in the minds of the per or perps, it was a "rescue" mission that perhaps went sideways. Lack of evidence suggests to me, it was planned. People just don't decide on a whim on a Sunday night, rural area..."hey..lets do this".
I think they have Jayme and the cops know she went with them....
I think the family has some sort of dark secrets and the lack of outcry is not typical of cases where a young girl is abducted.

BBM--it does happen. For instance this case from New Hampshire a few years back: Four Teens Charged in Small-Town Machete Murder of Mom

 

[SeattleStew]

These photos @SeattleStew

Thank you SausagePizza

 

[SkipperKey3]

I guess the major thought about whether James had been to the casino was whether he had some nice winnings that he was followed home for.

I have seen that mentioned here as a possibility, but I can't help but think that LE would know by now if JC had been to the casino, and perhaps even if he had been a big winner.

 

[MassGuy]

Sorry, my post was confusing, 2 similar but different DNA methods. I am focusing on the 2nd. I guess I am wondering this: If LE has suspected DNA why couldn't they use GEOmatch or other public DNA sites that permit LE to access? I can imagine a chain of command issue as well as other legalities but this has been done successfully in other solved crimes. Appreciate your knowledge!!!! TY

It’s generally used in cold cases. I think it’s likely that they don’t have DNA to test in the first place.

That method had actually only been used to solve about a dozen cases at this point.

It’s new, time consuming, and expensive.

It’s definitely an option for the future, if they do have DNA.

 

[bizzle2]

I still wonder if they took Jayme because she scratched or bit them, and they were worried she would have their DNA on her. Of course, they’d have to be thinking somewhat rationally (no meth lunatic). I hope I’m wrong because they’d have absolutely no reason to leep her alive if that were the case.

I've seen this one before, and it is the best explanation I can think of for why Jayme was taken if that was not the plan in the first place. It's possible

 

[IceIce9]

I guess the major thought about whether James had been to the casino was whether he had some nice winnings that he was followed home for.

There would be a record if he collected any jackpot over $1200.00. The casino would have been required to collect his name and information. The many cameras in the casino would have captured in the casino who might have noticed his win or followed him.

 

[MassGuy]

There would be a record if he collected any jackpot over $1200.00. The casino would have been required to collect his name and information. The many cameras in the casino would have captured in the casino who might have noticed his win or followed him.

Yes. This is something that could be easily verified, and if it happened, LE would absolutely know this by now.

Something like that would completely change the investigation.

I absolutely don’t believe this to have been the case, as the camera systems in places like these are very extensive.

The assailant would have been identified by now.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

It’s generally used in cold cases. I think it’s likely that they don’t have DNA to test in the first place.

That method had actually only been used to solve about a dozen cases at this point.

It’s new, time consuming, and expensive.

It’s definitely an option for the future, if they do have DNA.

True on all counts. A good software program could cut the time but not a financially feasible investment unless federal law changes . But that's another topic. Thanks for the info!

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks for this. I wonder exactly what they heard on the call that convinced them Jayme was at the property?

I don't have an answer for you, but just wanted to point out that it wasn't just what they heard on the 911 call that made LE believe Jayme was in the home.

Investigators also believe Jayme was at home during the shooting based on details from the 911 call and evidence from the home.
Jayme Closs disappearance: Search for possible evidence along a highway comes up empty. - CNN

 

[Lillymac]

That doesn’t really work though because of the 911 call.

We know that the perp was apparently still in the house until that call was made.

If the neighbors heard what they believe they heard, when they heard it, then that 20 plus minute gap exists.

If they were fleeing at the time of those shots, they 911 call wouldn’t have contained sounds of an argument/struggle.

I totally agree. Plus I distinctly remember reading yesterday on our Media and Timelines that it was first reported they heard someone say 'help'. But, i can not find it now...was I dreaming?

 

[Le Singe]

Yes. This is something that could be easily verified, and if it happened, LE would absolutely know this by now.

Something like that would completely change the investigation.

I absolutely don’t believe this to have been the case, as the camera systems in places like these are very extensive.

The assailant would have been identified by now.

or at the very least we would have pictures of a "person of interest" they were looking for. I think it was a plausible theory at first but now unlikely.

 

[Lillymac]

Let’s assume for the sake of argument, that these guys went to the wrong house (going plural here). At some point, they likely would have realized their error.

Why stay for 20 minutes?

Why compound your error by committing a kidnapping?

I agree with you. I don’t buy the “wrong house” theory.

You read my mind...unless it was someone they knew!

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry, my post was confusing, 2 similar but different DNA methods. I am focusing on the 2nd. I guess I am wondering this: If LE has suspected DNA why couldn't they use GEOmatch or other public DNA sites that permit LE to access? I can imagine a chain of command issue as well as other legalities but this has been done successfully in other solved crimes. Appreciate your knowledge!!!! TY

At this time they may only be able to use the National Data base, (CODIS) which is a search that looks for an exact match, but in order for there to be an exact match, the suspects DNA must already be in the system. They would likely use it if they find DNA at the crime scene or on the victims body. Is that what you were asking about? I missed the original post, but if you were only interested in familial searches I see that was answered.