no we've been over this a lot first mention of suicide was from one of the officers on scene.
Not knockinI've thought about this quite a bit as I personally believe the neighbours account to be accurate. So I think that either;
- The perp used a shotgun. First shot passed through the door and killed James, second shot mortally wounded Denise.
- First shot went through the door, second killed James, and any other shots simply could not be heard by the neighbour as the perp was indoors.
Perhaps to see if any unknown DNA could be collected. Maybe they just want to make sure the immediate family was the only ones sleeping in the bedAgreed. Perp knew he had to be in and out in quick time.
Then drive away at speed limit.
Don’t know why they took mattress??
Perp May have leaned on?? Dunno
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That’s fine. I believe differently, have from the beginning.The Sheriff has said he wasn't there for more than a couple of minutes. Sorry if it doesn't fit your theory.
I also wonder if the mattress wasn't taken cause she soiled it.
if I heard gun shots and my parents, I don't think I would have had any control over my bodily fluids at 35, nonless at 13
Just reflecting on a post I made earlier, Have we ever found out what James and Denise actually did at Jennie O?I DO NOT think that Salmonella has anything to do with this. I will not rule out something that may have happened at work though. With that being said, you would think that someone would lead LE in the right direction with some sort of a tip ( i.e. "Bob would always tell me he hated James" ). I have looked, over and over to see any kind of police reports in the past regarding Jennie O. I did come up with this
http://www.cumberland-advocate.com/sites/default/files/*advertiser censored*-2017-09-13-a-001 e-edition.pdf
It begins on page 5 at the bottom of column 4.
I am in no way saying this has ANYTHING to do with this but it did enlighten me that regular people can act out differently than you or I would if they were depressed or angry and it was at that Jennie O plant
would be a sign she didn't help plan it also it would indicate she was in her bed at the time at the start of the altercationI'm not sure why that would be of evidentiary value?
But the log from actual police says the call was shortly before 1am. If I recall correctly, police were on the scene by 1:03 or 1:04...?No, 1:03 is the time of the 911 call by the neighbours clock.
Nice thought provoking post, I’ve wondered this before as a possible explanation for seemingly disappearing. I also know it was discussed in earlier threads, but I’m not considering by boat or waterway. I’m curious how easy it would be to get into Canada by car, train or bus? I know border crossings are harder but do they stop everyone and every car? I’ve been out of the country but never by driving into Canada nor Mexico.Do you guys think she was taken out of the county? I’m torn on that.
So how do you catch a random person who left behind nothing (almost) but now has a 13 yr old girl he didn't have before? Never mind what happened inside- it doesn't appear to point to anybody.
Voice might be recognizable to someone on the 911 call.
Shell casings might tell you about the gun but its probably not unique
gun has blood on it
shoes might have blood on them, clothes
He may have left DNA behind and can be traced via familial relationships
He might have acted strangely the next day(s) but they would be on him by now
Would need a place to hide her if she is alive or a place to dispose of her if she isn't'- might live alone or have lots of property
Had to know Jayme would be there, not totally unfamiliar to the area- I assume she was the target
Tire tracks as you sped out of the gravel driveway
Cameras caught your car at 1am nearby
Blood etc.. in your car- noticed by someone or cleaned
dropped something along the way
ever made a comment about or got caught checking out young girls, or jayme specifically
Jayme’s room is off the deck area which isn’t super far from the front door. We know this thanks to the creepy panty thief guy and media reports which included the police report of his actions. I think Jayme heard the commotion and ran to mom - kids do that - they look for protection and security from parents. I would be shocked if she woke up and didn’t do that. If she ran to mom, then it’s likely they were together until the perp dragged Jayme away and some commotion ensued. Mom then could have called 911 and maybe she died before she could talk to anyone. The call may have disconnected due to battery, or falling and hitting the disconnect button....Your theory has a few flaws. The shots were within seconds of each other. Jayme would have undoubtedly been in bed at close to 1:00, and likely fast asleep. So she would have to get up without the perp seeing her, find her way to her moms phone and make the call, without being noticed. Looking at that house I have very little doubt that the perp could see the entire layout from the front door. I just don't see room for covert movement.
A passport is required to enter Canada and Mexico.