CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #33 *ARREST*

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*The following is entirely JMO.* I am hoping that KB had an Alexa or Google Home type device that PF didn't consider and therefore didn't disable. Other criminals have been caught from Alexa recordings. If there was such a device there, LE could have had audio proof that strongly supported that she was no longer alive without having found biological material to support that belief. JMO.
 
See, that is what is throwing me off...because , i just dont feel it would have been a bloody scene/confrontation. He dwarfed her. I feel like it would have been so easy for him to overpower her and end her life without bloodshed. IMO
I don’t think the bloody aspect was in the murder itself. It was in the dismemberment afterward. Murderers will go to great lengths thinking they’ve gotten rid of the evidence. But they rarely think about the plumbing.
 
Good Morning!

I so agree, the 19th can not come fast enough. Been steadily checking in on here but until then this is at a standstill. :rolleyes:

Agree that there likely won't be any developments that the public sees until the probable cause hearing, barring the possible search of the landfill and/or another arrest taking place some time between now and then.

Anything else in the way of "new news" would only come in the form of anecdotal stuff, i.e., MSM interviews with other friends, family, co-workers, etc. of either PF or KB, vs. hard facts. We're definitely in a holding pattern here until the 19th. 24 more days to go. JMO.
 
Last night, 20/20 was about the Yosemite murders of Carole and Jodi Sund, Silvina Pellosso and Joie Armstrong. The pics of CS reminded me of PF. CS was described as fun, warm and quiet, a big teddy bear by one of his intended victims, the daughter of his gf.
 
Add the preemptive wrongful death suit by the B's, and the overall impression is that LE is having a hard time nailing PF specifically.
I think the B’s filed their suit to 1.) To protect their grandchild and her interests 2.) To overwhelm F’s in legal issues 3.) To support LE case - not because they don’t believe LE can’t make their case.
I think the B’s are heartbroken and “furious” that this has happened to their child and they aren’t just going to leave everything to chance. They are at war with the people who took their precious child. They have set aside their grief temporarily to pursue justice, IMO, in memory and honor for their child.
What I hate and detest the most about PF is that he had NO consideration for the B’s when he took their child from them, which to me indicates that he had NO true emotion for his daughter - he was just putting on a show.
I pray that they get justice for Kelsey.
 
Question for everyone: is it your gut impression that PF's mom is calling the shots in their relationship or is he calling the shots?
PF is calling the shots, but Mom’s voice is subtly directing him. She didn’t mean to create the controlling, vindictive man he became ... but inadvertently she did by the way she treated him IMO. Strong ‘single’ or ‘divorced’ women sometimes “unintentionally” treat sons as if they aren’t as smart. The mother is simply “babying” the son, “loving” him, in her opinion, but the son thinks Mom does it because he’s not smart enough to do things on his own or as smart as female sibling - which leads to desire to control women by mental and/or physical abuse.
All speculation based on personal observances. MOO.
 
*The following is entirely JMO.* I am hoping that KB had an Alexa or Google Home type device that PF didn't consider and therefore didn't disable. Other criminals have been caught from Alexa recordings. If there was such a device there, LE could have had audio proof that strongly supported that she was no longer alive without having found biological material to support that belief. JMO.
I have a four year old kindle that has Alexa on it. I think all kindles do even the old ones. That would tell it all.
 
PF is calling the shots, but Mom’s voice is subtly directing him. She didn’t mean to create the controlling, vindictive man he became ... but inadvertently she did by the way she treated him IMO. Strong ‘single’ or ‘divorced’ women sometimes “unintentionally” treat sons as if they aren’t as smart. The mother is simply “babying” the son, “loving” him, in her opinion, but the son thinks Mom does it because he’s not smart enough to do things on his own or as smart as female sibling - which leads to desire to control women by mental and/or physical abuse.
All speculation based on personal observances. MOO.
I totally agree.
 
Re: KB's purse and keys.

I wonder if they went to Idaho with the phone. I haven't read anything about where exactly they found her phone. I just remember a bit of a delay because Idaho and Colorado were trying to decide if the phone was important enough to go to Colorado by courier or if it was safe to send ship it.

If the purse and keys went north with the phone, would PF have directed whoever had them to keep them together or to ditch the keys and purse somewhere along the way? If they were all found together, it might look like an abduction.
Good point!
I wonder when is someone going to add GPS to the keybobs of vehicles? It might make this whole process much easier
I use Tiles on my purse and keybob.
 
You can actually use super glue to form print impressions these days. You just do not commit homicide without physical evidence left behind. LE has stated that they believe KB died in the townhome. Somehow, they draw that observation.

BBM:
Right, you don't commit murder without leaving any trace. At least, not on terra firma.
We should all be extremely thankful that the thought never occurred to PF (because he is PF) to take KB on a romantic honeymoon cruise.

There's absolutely damning physical evidence in this case that we don't know about. JMO.
 
Last night, 20/20 was about the Yosemite murders of Carole and Jodi Sund, Silvina Pellosso and Joie Armstrong. The pics of CS reminded me of PF. CS was described as fun, warm and quiet, a big teddy bear by one of his intended victims, the daughter of his gf.
I caught the end of that. Didn’t LE have the wrong guy(s) locked up? Not the case here. PF was on most people’s radar from the beginning since he seemed unconcerned, distant, and did not report her missing.
 
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BBM: Hey, Dave, bear with me, sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake, but if I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that we should speculate that they found no forensics because they said they didn't need to do the testing on small sized samples? Couldn't it be the case that when they went in with Luminol at night to KB's the walls/floors/ceilings all lit up with evidence that PF thought he concealed?

Also, I'm wondering if they could still do the charcoal blowing stuff there even though it's an antiquated procedure. Sometimes there's no substitute for good, old-fashioned police work!
JMO.
I'm saying that her comment tells me they didn't have any evidence at that time that might be destroyed in testing. The logical conclusion is that they didn't have any minute blood spatter samples likely to produce a match to KB's DNA. They could have had dozens of minute splatter samples that they gathered, though. KB's condo had some age on it, and with very high ceiling and textured walls, it would have been a bugger to paint. Even with good painting, organic stains survive a long time. Most of the powerful cleaners on the market contain some bleaching chemical, which can remove the color of the stain but not completely destroy the organic matter. Minute splatter residue from any number of human accidents or animal accidents.......sneezes, a bloody nose from a pillow fight, etc can be lurking out of sight until a thorough application of Luminol makes them shine like a flashlight on a dark night. There could literally be hundreds of lifted samples, and in fact many of them could match KB. It was her residence. A fresh distinctive pattern of minute splatters on a single wall, a large pattern of small particles in the cracks of a hardwood floor, or something of that nature. In a large pattern, it would routine to test and destroy selected spots to establish the pattern, while leaving plenty of spots for defense testing. Therefore that type of evidence would never have been an issue.
I am certainly NOT trying to say that that they have no evidence. I'm just saying there's a good chance that the evidence which convinced them the murder took place in her residence isn't minute particles of blood or other organic matter. IMO
 
I think Ted Bundy’s mom refused to believe he had killed anyone even after he was convicted of several murders.
But wasn’t Bundy’s Mom actually his sister? I seem to recall that he was raised believing she was his sister? Maybe it’s another SK I’m thinking of...
Now I’ve got to research it because it’s driving me crazy.
BTW... I don’t believe it was RIGHT that his mother filed suit, no matter how close she was to her granddaughter - I think PF insisted she do it and his reasoning was simple - an innocent man would ... a guilty one probably wouldn’t.
 
jewels, here is where I am hung up right now: he solicited her murder months in advance. So there was premeditation as well as what passes for "planning" with PF. However, I do think it's very possible he simply "lost it" that day at her place and he killed her violently himself. I've been wondering if the Thanksgiving holiday was some kind of trigger. Maybe he wanted to just show up and take baby K with him for Thanksgiving and KB said no, she was staying with her for the holiday. Or maybe KB was supposed to have gotten something ready for Thanksgiving, and she hadn't....or, or, or...I can think of a lot of scenarios. I think he had some kind of explosion that day. I think the murder was both premeditated AND spontaneous. JMO.
I’m also thinking a combo of mostly premeditated murder, with a hint of spontaneous murder.

However, I think PF plotted to murder KB while she was doing her last ever run to Safeway. It was inevitable that PF would murder KB at some point given his persistence to get rid of her. Only in our dreams can we create better outcome where KK or anyone would stop him. PF was a ticking time bomb.

PF is combo of dangerous person + murder evidence. Sick, dark mind. He may be plotting his next murder right now. Yuck.
 
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But wasn’t Bundy’s Mom actually his sister? I seem to recall that he was raised believing she was his sister? Maybe it’s another SK I’m thinking of...
Now I’ve got to research it because it’s driving me crazy.
BTW... I don’t believe it was RIGHT that his mother filed suit, no matter how close she was to her granddaughter - I think PF insisted she do it and his reasoning was simple - an innocent man would ... a guilty one probably wouldn’t.
Yeah along those lines. Ted Bundy grew up believing his real mother was his sister. He was raised by his grandparents, believing they were his parents.
I agree that it wasn’t right that PFs mother filed for custody of her grand daughter under these circumstances.
 
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But wasn’t Bundy’s Mom actually his sister? I seem to recall that he was raised believing she was his sister? Maybe it’s another SK I’m thinking of...
Now I’ve got to research it because it’s driving me crazy.
BTW... I don’t believe it was RIGHT that his mother filed suit, no matter how close she was to her granddaughter - I think PF insisted she do it and his reasoning was simple - an innocent man would ... a guilty one probably wouldn’t.
I agree on SF’s filing in the custody matter. MOO is it is crass and smacks of vindictiveness.
JMO
 
Good point!
I wonder when is someone going to add GPS to the keybobs of vehicles? It might make this whole process much easier
I use Tiles on my purse and keybob.
I think you mean key fob. I’ve always wanted to try Tiles - seems like a great invention to make sure you never lose your keys or wallet or whatever. Or if you’ve ever had a bike stolen, it made me wish I had some small GPS device like that hidden somewhere out of sight where the thief wouldn’t find it.
 
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