CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

Here's an excellent article that's worth reading and bookmarking for future re-reading in trying to understand
how these murdering people develop into their criminal
behaviors. They weren't born bad or evil. As babies and toddlers they learned to be bad and evil due to neglect, abuse,
callousness from parents and an emotional family
life that directed their path. If you can't grasp this reality, read the article again. Bad parenting can and usually will produce bad people. Callous, neglectful parenting produces callous, no empathy humans.

When Your Child Is a Psychopath

Thanks for referenced link.

I disagree with your analysis-- as does the referenced article.

Psychopathy is not black and white.

Not sure why are you blaming the parents and an emotional family life alone?

From your reference:

Researchers believe that two paths can lead to psychopathy: one dominated by nature, the other by nurture.
[...]
We have a fairly good idea of what an adult psychopathic brain looks like, thanks in part to Kiehl’s work.
[...]
The first abnormality appears in the limbic system, the set of brain structures involved in, among other things, processing emotions. In a psychopath’s brain, this area contains less gray matter. “It’s like a weaker muscle,” Kiehl says. A psychopath may understand, intellectually, that what he is doing is wrong, but he doesn’t feel it. “Psychopaths know the words but not the music” is how Kiehl describes it. “They just don’t have the same circuitry.”

bbm/moo

 

[skycountry]

It is the age old question Nurture over Nature.

I think some come here with a dark soul/psyche, like PF, some have a neutral soul/psyche like KK, and have a choice to make, do what is good and right, or go along with the darkness of others, and some come here with a beautiful good soul like KB.

We all have our lessons to learn, as KK is hopefully doing now, and PF and crew will learn in the future. all jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

Here's an excellent article that's worth reading and bookmarking for future re-reading in trying to understand
how these murdering people develop into their criminal
behaviors.
They weren't born bad or evil. As babies and toddlers
they learned to be bad and evil due to neglect, abuse,
callousness from parents and an emotional family
life that directed their path.
If you can't grasp this reality, read the article again.
Bad parenting can and usually will produce bad people. Callous, neglectful
parenting produces callous, no empathy humans.

When Your Child Is a Psychopath

But it is rarely *just* bad parenting that turns out these individuals. There are plenty of people that grew up in horrendous conditions and come to be caring, loving and decent adults.

As the article States, it's usually a combination of Nature and nurture.

 

[Yellow Rose]

One of the very best books I've ever read was recommended to me by a fellow WSleuther. It would definitely have helped KB. It's called The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. Gavin de Becker is an American author and security specialist, primarily for governments, large corporations, and public figures.

 

[Julia966]

HLN‏Verified account @HLNTV

HLN Special report TONIGHT at 8pET: #KelseyBerreth vanished on Thanksgiving Day--and the missing person case quickly turned into a murder case. Nearly 4 months later, the Colorado mom's body has yet to be found...but cops believe her fiancé may know more than he's letting on.

HLN on Twitter

(Video at link)

OF COURSE HE DOES.

 

[Seattle1]

City of Colorado Springs‏ @CityofCOS
Due to the winter weather conditions tomorrow, City of Colorado Springs facilities will be CLOSED Wednesday, March 13, 2019. All emergency responders and essential personnel are required to report to work on time. Non-essential personnel are not required to report to work.

5:48 PM - 12 Mar 2019 pst

ETA: More winter likely to impact landfill search

 

[sun16]

I am at least comforted by the fact that every single day that goes by, LE continues to build and fine-tune their case against PF and any others. Although I’m unclear regarding ‘others’. Frustrating and no doubt must be so devastating to KB’s loved ones, but at least this isn’t a cold case. Yes, I want them to find her/something. But at least someone (mainly PF) I believe will pay. Patience.....sigh. Let’s see what happens.

 

[MsBetsy]

Here's an excellent article that's worth reading and bookmarking for future re-reading in trying to understand
how these murdering people develop into their criminal
behaviors.
They weren't born bad or evil. As babies and toddlers
they learned to be bad and evil due to neglect, abuse,
callousness from parents and an emotional family
life that directed their path.
If you can't grasp this reality, read the article again.
Bad parenting can and usually will produce bad people. Callous, neglectful
parenting produces callous, no empathy humans.

When Your Child Is a Psychopath

Bad parenting does not necessarily cause a child to develop the disorder.
Genetic tendencies play a large role, and one may or not develop a Personality Disorder depending on their environment.
The cases in that article are very severe, and rare. There are many extremes, and many times the symptoms are subtle and not easily recognized, especially in adolescents. Imo

 

[InvSmith]

Bad parenting does not necessarily cause a child to develop the disorder.
Genetic tendencies play a large role, and one may or not develop a Personality Disorder depending on their environment.
The cases in that article are very severe, and rare. There are many extremes, and many times the symptoms are subtle and not easily recognized, especially in adolescents. Imo

If bad parenting caused psychopathy none of us could go outside.

 

[yawningreyhound]

SR. Debateable whether a stolen phone, borrowed phone, former number, etc. Yet it came back to the very same area KK was in at the gorge. PF tried to call KB's number if I have it right (and KK had had the phone) and moments later he was called by this SR number just a few miles away from where KK was by pings.

And when you sleuth the phone number, it's the same number as KK's cell phone. SR comes up along with KK. I ws thinking it was SR's number bfore it was KK's. MOO

 

[1mtroyal]

When the nurse was done with the cleanup, didn't she put some full plastic trash bags by the street and went and got her car and picked them up? What did she do with them? Did she put them in a dumpster? Maybe the police are searching the dump for these also (including the missing floor mat.)

 

[sun16]

But it is rarely *just* bad parenting that turns out these individuals. There are plenty of people that grew up in horrendous conditions and come to be caring, loving and decent adults.

As the article States, it's usually a combination of Nature and nurture.

Completely agree. I’m not a doctor. I think it’s complicated and involves several things (genetic, personality, nature, nuture, physical, emotional, who knows). What really perplexes and concerns me are the people who have never committed any type of crime before in their life, and then one day commit a really huge one. I mean no one is perfect, we all get frustrated by stuff, etc., but wow. Whethet they snap one day, or it builds (and other people don’t suspect anything is seriously wrong), or whatever. How in the world.

 

[esayer]

When the nurse was done with the cleanup, didn't she put some full plastic trash bags by the street and went and got her car and picked them up? What did she do with them? Did she put them in a dumpster? Maybe the police are searching the dump for these also (including the missing floor mat.)

I think she burned them, right?

 

[Hatch]

The Judds - Mama He's Frazee (Crazy)

Oh geez I wish you had not answered the question! Now I can't get rid of it in my head.

 

[Seattle1]

Completely agree. I’m not a doctor. I think it’s complicated and involves several things (genetic, personality, nature, nuture, physical, emotional, who knows). What really perplexes and concerns me are the people who have never committed any type of crime before in their life, and then one day commit a really huge one. I mean no one is perfect, we all get frustrated by stuff, etc., but wow. Whethet they snap one day, or it builds (and other people don’t suspect anything is seriously wrong), or whatever. How in the world.

I'm beginning to think there's a "trigger" for those minority/few cases that cannot be explained, or lack warning signs.

In a psychopath’s brain, this area contains less gray matter. “It’s like a weaker muscle,” Kiehl says. A psychopath may understand, intellectually, that what he is doing is wrong, but he doesn’t feel it. “Psychopaths know the words but not the music” is how Kiehl describes it. “They just don’t have the same circuitry.”

 

[BingoBongo]

Completely agree. I’m not a doctor. I think it’s complicated and involves several things (genetic, personality, nature, nuture, physical, emotional, who knows). What really perplexes and concerns me are the people who have never committed any type of crime before in their life, and then one day commit a really huge one. I mean no one is perfect, we all get frustrated by stuff, etc., but wow. Whethet they snap one day, or it builds (and other people don’t suspect anything is seriously wrong), or whatever. How in the world.

Just like with any disease, physical, mental or emotional... it's very complicated. As my dad was fond of saying, "everybody's different."

Everything that makes up our genetics, everything we experience in life, everything we learn and everything we feel contributes to who we are.

It breaks my heart that some of these people seem to be (literally) born bad. I hope that we become more knowledgeable about what causes murderous personalities to develop, and for the people that seem to be born that way, how we can help them lead better lives without causing harm to others.

For their sake and for ours.

 

[Hatch]

I think you are right. They do initially appear generous and supportive, but everything they give you is an investment, not a true gift. Poor Kelsey.

I add comes with strings attached, and a reminder often what we have done for you.

 

[1mtroyal]

I think she burned them, right?

Yes, just checked and they were burned.

 

[LietKynes]

bbm

I'm totally missing this part. Where on the thread can I find something about his childhood? Parents divorced, when he was 12 yo. Since then living with his ma. That's all I know.

We can sleuth what is MSM (public record).
No social media sites.
I'd imagine there's msm documents of the Frazee's divorce ? If someone finds it they can link it.

 

[LietKynes]

I am thinking most likely No! I would bet a steel pipe Momma washes his clothes.

If she washed his clothes and they were blood-stained, she has a lot of 'splainin' to do.
Certainly she should be charged as an accessory.
So we wait....