katydid23
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I am an optimist as well. ... We need something to chew on here before this thread gets too far out into the weeds. MOO
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I am an optimist as well. ... We need something to chew on here before this thread gets too far out into the weeds. MOO
Head wounds bleed profusely. I don’t want to go more into detail because it is so gruesome.This crime was so gruesome. I just don't get it. What was the point of killing her? He didn't want to pay child support? And she actually let him in the house, put on a blindfold, to "smell candles", and he whacks her with a baseball bat?!
Where did all of the blood come from? Hitting her? Or did they dismember her body?
PF and company have no respect for human life, yet clearly have concerns about the safety of the environment. Interesting.
As far as the blood on the bleach bottle and Swiffer, I don't think it is that important. If it was the only possible evidence then it would matter. IMO, some tests for the presence of blood also react with bleach so further testing would be required to prove anything found was actually human blood. It would be nice for the prosecution if KB's blood is on the bleach bottle and/or the Swiffer. We don't know if there is some receipt floating around that shows PF or KK bought those products. We don't know if this might be the consumptive evidence that was initially thought to be very important. It is just one piece of the puzzle. MOO.
I agree, in and of itself, I don't think it's critical. I think in the absence of a body, prosecution may double down on each small piece of evidence.
I continue to be curious about the one item that hasn't been tested yet. It seems to me that if it was 'just' another piece of evidence - another blood spot in the condo, for example - neither side would care much about it. I can't see why defense would be so concerned about the integrity of the testing if it was just one of many pieces of evidence that in and of themselves don't make or break the case.
Whatever it is, the defense seems concerned about it - even with all the evidence that's already out there.
Shifting focus completely: a few weeks ago, some of us were poring through the text messages. One odd one that stood out appeared to be a gmail account for PF, along with password. Very odd: unless possibly KK and PF were going to use a common gmail account to communicate via drafts?
The positive presumptive test, will be irrelevant at trial.A bottle of bleach of unknown brand, a bottle of Simple Green cleaning product, and a green in color Swiffer cleaning unit are the subject of SW 18-120, listed in attachment “B”page 28. A good description of the simplicity of the presumptive testing procedure with Hemastix is found on Page 25, last paragraph. SW 18-120 was written December 17, 2019, and executed on December 19, 2018.
Hemastix is a very simple test strip with detects the chloride and hypochloride chemicals present in human blood in liquid suspension, most household bleaches and many bottled household cleaners. The strip will turn to green if the end of the strip contacts blood, or the household products in sufficient concentration. If the household products are in lesser concentration, the strip may turn various shades of pale green or even pink. The explanation given in the Affidavit is that these three products were actually tested on December 14, 2018 and were positive. It does not mention what color the test strips turned, or whether additional check testing was done with another product as recommended by the manufacturer(s) of the product. None of the courtroom tweets from the cause hearing of February 19, 2019 mention these items, and they were not introduced into evidence during that hearing.
My opinion is that the defense could have serious questions when this evidence is introduced. IMO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-120 Execution.pdf
Hemastix Presumptive Blood Test
Clorox® Regular Bleach₂ with CLOROMAX® | Clorox®
Household Products Database - Health and Safety Information on Household Products
https://www.amazon.com/Swiffer-Swee...=B00N6FT6TM&psc=1&refRID=0C9HJDTRFWFTSJFHRPH8
Or KKL was trying to get PF's password using KB's phone, over which he was the principal with Verizon. IMO
The positive presumptive test, will be irrelevant at trial.
It all comes down to whose blood it is, and that will be determined based on lab results.
It it’s not Kelsey’s blood, then it isn’t incriminating, and wouldn’t matter.
Who is RS?I'm guessing (and I could be wrong) that it's something the defense thinks might be a game-changer.
I think it's not just whose DNA - it's where it was found.
A previously untested blood spot in KB's car or condo? Given what we currently know, I can't see the defense worrying about that too much. RS's DNA on KB's bathroom counter? Now that could get interesting.
One possibility I have considered: (gruesome warning): if there was a trace of KB's brain/bone matter on something of PF's - his shoes/boots - then it would be all over. KB's blood alone wouldn't do it - he'd say something like she'd cut herself while they were out doing the cattle run - and point to the bloody sock as proof. We don't have her body, so we can't disprove a statement like that. But there's no way to explain away blood/bone matter.
(as always, just my opinion and I'm not going to be hurt if I've got it wrong and you can steer me straight!)
Who is RS?
If they were using Google Mail then I hope the search warrants covered not just emails but a shared account using drafts to communicate.
IIRC, KK said she and PF sometimes communicated via FB PMs.
Wasn’t unknown male DNA found in Kelsey’s bathroom? I wonder if that is now “known” male DNA.I'm guessing (and I could be wrong) that it's something the defense thinks might be a game-changer.
I think it's not just whose DNA - it's where it was found.
A previously untested blood spot in KB's car or condo? Given what we currently know, I can't see the defense worrying about that too much. RS's DNA on KB's bathroom counter? Now that could get interesting.
One possibility I have considered: (gruesome warning): if there was a trace of KB's brain/bone matter on something of PF's - his shoes/boots - then it would be all over. KB's blood alone wouldn't do it - he'd say something like she'd cut herself while they were out doing the cattle run - and point to the bloody sock as proof. We don't have her body, so we can't disprove a statement like that. But there's no way to explain away blood/bone matter.
(as always, just my opinion and I'm not going to be hurt if I've got it wrong and you can steer me straight!)
Hopefully they can figure out who it belongs to.Wasn’t unknown male DNA found in Kelsey’s bathroom? I wonder if that is now “known” male DNA.
Jmo
Wasn’t unknown male DNA found in Kelsey’s bathroom? I wonder if that is now “known” male DNA.
Jmo
I was speaking of the headline that said the bathroom was covered in her blood. I didn’t think that had been established as yet....only by KKs statement. I agree about the cleaning supplies.The positive blood tests regarding the cleaning supplies, was mentioned in one of the search warrants.
Unless PF pleads guilty, which I can never see him doing, this trial is going to be very interesting indeed.Hopefully they can figure out who it belongs to.
This happens a lot, and the defense invariably tries to point to some third party who could have committed this crime.
How important it is, all depends on the strategy of the defense.
If they decide that it’s unlikely that a jury will buy the “KK did it defense,” they might try and create an alternate scenario based on that DNA.
It’ll be interesting.
Very curious as to why these two older men unloaded trash for a much younger and stronger PF while he sat in the truck. He sure is taken care of very well by his friends and family, don’t you think? Not saying that’s a bad thing but still leaves me curious.