Patsy's Medicine Drawers....

[Ames]

Credit goes to another poster, on another board for pointing this out. I can't remember who it was. If you post here, please respond to this thread.


18 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. I awakened
19 that morning, probably somewhere between 5:30
20 and 6. We are going to take off for the airport
21 just at 7, we were going to the lake house. I
22 got up and walked over here to my bathroom right
23 in here.
24 TRIP DeMUTH: I am sorry, I missed
25 what you said, what time you said.
0009
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometime
2 between 5:30 and 6 a.m. And walked around
3 here to the bathroom and I did not take a shower
4 that morning, so I don't know, you know, what
5 exactly I did here. I mean other than just get
6 dressed, brush my teeth, put on my make up. And
7 get ready to go.

<SNIPPED>


10 TOM HANEY: Okay. When you got up,
11 was it pitch black?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: John -- John, I
13 remember his bathroom right here had a light.
14 TOM HANEY: Okay. So it's shining
15 somewhat down to here, but we are talking quite
16 a distance?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, there is a
18 hall light here, right here I think. That was
19 on. Because I remember, you know, when you
20 first look up it's like bright, you know, but I
21 think that he was up already, he had gone
22 through here, you know, to his bathroom area.
23 TOM HANEY: What I would like to do
24 then is with this blue marker, can you just
25 indicate the path that you took getting out of
0018
1 bed and then the first stop you made, the first
2 thing you did along that route.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: My clothes were
4 probably thrown on the bathtub (INAUDIBLE).
5 TOM HANEY: Let me stop you there.
6 The clothes that you say were thrown down, those
7 were clothes you had worn the night before?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
9 TOM HANEY: Okay. Seems odd to me.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Early. I do this a
11 lot.
12 TOM HANEY: Now did you intend to
13 wear those the rest of the day though or --
14 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS)?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably what I
16 thought I would do, you know, my thinking was I
17 have my underwear and all that is in these
18 drawers here, so I put my underwear on, but I
19 put the black velvet pants on the and the red
20 sweater, red top, and then we have clothes up at
21 the lake, and I took a few things with me. You
22 know, it was just so early, I was just going to
23 throw on whatever I had up there. Just get in,
24 tumble into bed and when we awake early, you
25 know, kind of almost get ready up there. You
0019
1 know.
I pu 2t make up on and brushed my
3 hair but --
4 TOM HANEY: Let me steal that for a
5 second before --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: It's all over your
7 shirt, yeah.
8 TOM HANEY: So this would have not
9 been your normal routine, though, to put the
10 same clothes on?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, I do whatever
12 I want. I told you that. I mean if I had a
13 pair, you know, of black shorts on, you can wear
14 them two, three days, before I send them to the
15 dry cleaners. I might have changed the top or
16 something but --
17 TOM HANEY: Okay. Okay.
18 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't like to do
19 laundry so I --
20 TOM HANEY: And you're getting
21 ready for this trip anyway?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
23 TOM HANEY: And there is really not
24 a whole lot of time --
25 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
0020
1 TOM HANEY: -- if you're going to
2 leave at 7?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
4 TOM HANEY: So you say you put your
5 makeup on?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: (Nodding.)
7 TOM HANEY: What brands of makeup
8 do you wear?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Different kinds.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know what it
11 would have been at that time?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably the
13 foundation was probably either Clinique or
14 Chanel, my sister sells Chanel and she has
15 samples of everything. So keeps us in samples
16 (INAUDIBLE). Just guessing, I don't know.
17 TOM HANEY: What did you say this
18 was, the--
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Foundation.
20 TOM HANEY: Foundation. Okay. Are
21 there other things that you put on--
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Blush, lipstick. I
23 probably didn't really do a terrific job. I
24 mean just putting, get a little bit on and go,
25 you know.
0021
1 TOM HANEY: Okay. And how long do
2 you think all that in the bathroom took?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, 20, 30 minutes.

THE MEDICINE DRAWERS IN PATSY'S BATHROOM....


The Medicine Drawers were left open, but apparently Patsy didn't notice that when she was in that same bathroom changing clothes, putting on her make-up and fixing her hairdo.


15 THOMAS HANEY: 32?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: That's the bathroom
17 to my bedroom.
18 THOMAS HANEY: Is that normally
19 used by anybody?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Not on a day-to-day
21 basis, not really.I don't know why the drawers
22 would have been out, but...
23 THOMAS HANEY: What's normally
24 stored in those?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, that's usually
0285
1 where I kept my supplies for my -- when I was
2 taking chemo, when I had my shots and my little
3 alcohol wipes, thermometers, and all that kind
4 of stuff. And I could have been looking
5 through, looking for a thermometer to take on
6 vacation.
7 TRIP DeMUTH: What's in the draw
8 below that one? There are two drawers open?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, I
10 don't know. I just hadn't used it, all that
11 area, that much.
12 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Number 33.
13 PATSY RAMSEY: This is the shot of
14 the bedroom, looking out through the door to her
15 door.
16 THOMAS HANEY: Anything unusual or
17 out of place or --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
19 THOMAS HANEY: 34?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: I just can't imagine
21 why I would leave those open if I had done --
22 THOMAS HANEY: The drawers that you
23 were talking about earlier?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
25 VOICE: That's 34?
0286
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
2 TRIP DeMUTH: Did you have syringes
3 in there?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: I would have at one
5 time. Now, whether I had any in there now, I
6 don't remember. Seems like I got rid of all
7 that stuff. With kids around. I don't know. I
8 just wasn't in there that much. I can't tell
9 you.


Now why didn't she notice these open drawers when she was in the bathroom for "20-30 minutes"? Because IMO...she wasn't IN the bathroom changing clothes or putting on makeup or doing her hair....she never went to bed that night, so there was no need to re-do anything.

 

[Ames]

I just went back and looked it up...it was NuisancePoster that posed the question of how Patsy didn't notice that the drawers were open, when she supposedly was in her bathroom applying makeup and getting dressed that morning. I took it upon myself to run with that question..and post the different portions of Patsy's interview, just to clarify. I think that this is a MAJOR HUGE FLAG!!! Patsy should have noticed TWO open drawers in HER bathroom, when she was getting ready. But, she acts all dumbfounded as to why they are open.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Yep, that was me. I'd really like to know how Patsy missed seeing two drawers open that should have been shut, especially after she found the RN and should have realized that things were amiss. And it isn't until she's seeing the police photograph that she even realizes! Very suspicious. Does she actually believe people are going to believe that the intruder was in her bathroom searching through drawers while she and John slept in the next room? That intruder sure has some balls, and no fear of being discovered in the Ramsey house at all.

 

[UKGuy]

Yep, that was me. I'd really like to know how Patsy missed seeing two drawers open that should have been shut, especially after she found the RN and should have realized that things were amiss. And it isn't until she's seeing the police photograph that she even realizes! Very suspicious. Does she actually believe people are going to believe that the intruder was in her bathroom searching through drawers while she and John slept in the next room? That intruder sure has some balls, and no fear of being discovered in the Ramsey house at all.

Nuisanceposter,
Maybe this is where Patsy stored the size-12's ?


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[Ames]

Yep, that was me. I'd really like to know how Patsy missed seeing two drawers open that should have been shut, especially after she found the RN and should have realized that things were amiss. And it isn't until she's seeing the police photograph that she even realizes! Very suspicious. Does she actually believe people are going to believe that the intruder was in her bathroom searching through drawers while she and John slept in the next room? That intruder sure has some balls, and no fear of being discovered in the Ramsey house at all.

Hi NP...thanks so much for posing that question...I posted this thread over at FFJ too, with credit to you. This, to me....is a HUGE MAJOR GIGANTIC RED FLAG WITH FLASHING LIGHTS...LOL I had never ever thought of that before. But that is an extremely good point...

I wonder if that is where the latex gloves were kept?? She did say that she had all sorts of stuff for her chemo in there, including syringes.....that she said that she THOUGHT that she had disposed of...but, if she had all of that sort of stuff, I am quite positive that she had latex gloves in there too. After my daughter's back surgery, we had all kinds of latex gloves lying around, because we had to use them when we applied the betadine on her incision.

 

[Ames]

Nuisanceposter,
Maybe this is where Patsy stored the size-12's ?


.

I am thinking more along the lines of Size Medium Latex Gloves....

 

[JMO8778]

Hi NP...thanks so much for posing that question...I posted this thread over at FFJ too, with credit to you. This, to me....is a HUGE MAJOR GIGANTIC RED FLAG WITH FLASHING LIGHTS...LOL I had never ever thought of that before. But that is an extremely good point...

I wonder if that is where the latex gloves were kept?? She did say that she had all sorts of stuff for her chemo in there, including syringes.....that she said that she THOUGHT that she had disposed of...but, if she had all of that sort of stuff, I am quite positive that she had latex gloves in there too. After my daughter's back surgery, we had all kinds of latex gloves lying around, because we had to use them when we applied the betadine on her incision.

I'm guessing they would have been sterile gloves,too,in individual packages...so they could have been used to stage the crime without fear of their own dna getting on or inside her.

 

[JMO8778]

Yep, that was me. I'd really like to know how Patsy missed seeing two drawers open that should have been shut, especially after she found the RN and should have realized that things were amiss. And it isn't until she's seeing the police photograph that she even realizes! Very suspicious. Does she actually believe people are going to believe that the intruder was in her bathroom searching through drawers while she and John slept in the next room? That intruder sure has some balls, and no fear of being discovered in the Ramsey house at all.

I remember reading somewhere about how there was a book written in Dutch found on one of the dressers...and of course the R's said they don't know Dutch,so it couldn't have been theirs...LOL.wonder if the SFF speaks Dutch ..lol.that is just too too much.

 

[BBB167893]

That one keeps coming up, but I don't know anything about it.

 

[Ames]

I posted the question about the medicine drawers on FFJ, and A candy Rose said that the drawers were in JAR's bathroom. Patsy referred to it as HER bathroom, because she was used to using it, when she slept in that bedroom when she was having chemo. So, apparently, she got ready the morning of the 26th, in a different bathroom, than the one that had the drawers open in it. Regardless, I believe thats where she kept latex gloves..and that she and John used them to help to stage the crime scene.

 

[Ames]

I remember reading somewhere about how there was a book written in Dutch found on one of the dressers...and of course the R's said they don't know Dutch,so it couldn't have been theirs...LOL.wonder if the SFF speaks Dutch ..lol.that is just too too much.

Yep, and spanish too. They don't speak spanish, but they had an instruction booklet for the stun gun, that was written in Spanish.

 

[JMO8778]

I posted the question about the medicine drawers on FFJ, and A candy Rose said that the drawers were in JAR's bathroom. Patsy referred to it as HER bathroom, because she was used to using it, when she slept in that bedroom when she was having chemo. So, apparently, she got ready the morning of the 26th, in a different bathroom, than the one that had the drawers open in it. Regardless, I believe thats where she kept latex gloves..and that she and John used them to help to stage the crime scene.

and I also wonder if someone used alcohol wipes and gauze and such,since they're sterile,to clean her up with,as they would leave no dna.B/c it's likely she bled from nose,mouth and or ears.And Patsy would likely know the sterile routine,by that I mean how to open gloves and what to touch next and how to open it all in order to keep it all sterile.

 

[Ames]

and I also wonder if someone used alcohol wipes and gauze and such,since they're sterile,to clean her up with,as they would leave no dna.B/c it's likely she bled from nose,mouth and or ears.And Patsy would likely know the sterile routine,by that I mean how to open gloves and what to touch next and how to open it all in order to keep it all sterile.

Good point! I have also wondered about this...and I bet that you are right...They used the gloves, and the sterile gauze pads and alcohol wipes to clean her up with. After reading that medical website about head wounds, that I posted awhile back..there is no doubt in my mind that she bled from either her ears, nose or mouth...or all three.

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't know about the methods of 10 years ago, but wouldn't residue/fibers from the gauze and alcohol be found on her as well as the dark blue fibers? I mean, if they found fibers they sourced to JR's shirt made in Israel, they would have seen the white gauze fibers also, I think.
I do think the latex gloves were likely used in a clean up and maybe in the asault as well.

 

[JMO8778]

Good point! I have also wondered about this...and I bet that you are right...They used the gloves, and the sterile gauze pads and alcohol wipes to clean her up with. After reading that medical website about head wounds, that I posted awhile back..there is no doubt in my mind that she bled from either her ears, nose or mouth...or all three.

they wouldn't have wanted to get their dna on her while cleaning her up,so I think cleaning her using sterile technique (I finally remembered what it's called ! It's been a long time since I did anything medical),which Patsy would have known,would be a good way to keep any from getting on her.

 

[JMO8778]

Credit goes to another poster, on another board for pointing this out. I can't remember who it was. If you post here, please respond to this thread.


18 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. I awakened
19 that morning, probably somewhere between 5:30
20 and 6. We are going to take off for the airport
21 just at 7, we were going to the lake house. I
22 got up and walked over here to my bathroom right
23 in here.
24 TRIP DeMUTH: I am sorry, I missed
25 what you said, what time you said.
0009
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometime
2 between 5:30 and 6 a.m. And walked around
3 here to the bathroom and I did not take a shower
4 that morning, so I don't know, you know, what
5 exactly I did here. I mean other than just get
6 dressed, brush my teeth, put on my make up. And
7 get ready to go.

<SNIPPED>


10 TOM HANEY: Okay. When you got up,
11 was it pitch black?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: John -- John, I
13 remember his bathroom right here had a light.
14 TOM HANEY: Okay. So it's shining
15 somewhat down to here, but we are talking quite
16 a distance?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, there is a
18 hall light here, right here I think. That was
19 on. Because I remember, you know, when you
20 first look up it's like bright, you know, but I
21 think that he was up already, he had gone
22 through here, you know, to his bathroom area.
23 TOM HANEY: What I would like to do
24 then is with this blue marker, can you just
25 indicate the path that you took getting out of
0018
1 bed and then the first stop you made, the first
2 thing you did along that route.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: My clothes were
4 probably thrown on the bathtub (INAUDIBLE).
5 TOM HANEY: Let me stop you there.
6 The clothes that you say were thrown down, those
7 were clothes you had worn the night before?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
9 TOM HANEY: Okay. Seems odd to me.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Early. I do this a
11 lot.
12 TOM HANEY: Now did you intend to
13 wear those the rest of the day though or --
14 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS)?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably what I
16 thought I would do, you know, my thinking was I
17 have my underwear and all that is in these
18 drawers here, so I put my underwear on, but I
19 put the black velvet pants on the and the red
20 sweater, red top, and then we have clothes up at
21 the lake, and I took a few things with me. You
22 know, it was just so early, I was just going to
23 throw on whatever I had up there. Just get in,
24 tumble into bed and when we awake early, you
25 know, kind of almost get ready up there. You
0019
1 know.
I pu 2t make up on and brushed my
3 hair but --
4 TOM HANEY: Let me steal that for a
5 second before --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: It's all over your
7 shirt, yeah.
8 TOM HANEY: So this would have not
9 been your normal routine, though, to put the
10 same clothes on?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, I do whatever
12 I want. I told you that. I mean if I had a
13 pair, you know, of black shorts on, you can wear
14 them two, three days, before I send them to the
15 dry cleaners. I might have changed the top or
16 something but --
17 TOM HANEY: Okay. Okay.
18 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't like to do
19 laundry so I --
20 TOM HANEY: And you're getting
21 ready for this trip anyway?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
23 TOM HANEY: And there is really not
24 a whole lot of time --
25 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
0020
1 TOM HANEY: -- if you're going to
2 leave at 7?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
4 TOM HANEY: So you say you put your
5 makeup on?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: (Nodding.)
7 TOM HANEY: What brands of makeup
8 do you wear?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Different kinds.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know what it
11 would have been at that time?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably the
13 foundation was probably either Clinique or
14 Chanel, my sister sells Chanel and she has
15 samples of everything. So keeps us in samples
16 (INAUDIBLE). Just guessing, I don't know.
17 TOM HANEY: What did you say this
18 was, the--
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Foundation.
20 TOM HANEY: Foundation. Okay. Are
21 there other things that you put on--
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Blush, lipstick. I
23 probably didn't really do a terrific job. I
24 mean just putting, get a little bit on and go,
25 you know.
0021
1 TOM HANEY: Okay. And how long do
2 you think all that in the bathroom took?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, 20, 30 minutes.

THE MEDICINE DRAWERS IN PATSY'S BATHROOM....


The Medicine Drawers were left open, but apparently Patsy didn't notice that when she was in that same bathroom changing clothes, putting on her make-up and fixing her hairdo.


15 THOMAS HANEY: 32?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: That's the bathroom
17 to my bedroom.
18 THOMAS HANEY: Is that normally
19 used by anybody?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Not on a day-to-day
21 basis, not really.I don't know why the drawers
22 would have been out, but...
23 THOMAS HANEY: What's normally
24 stored in those?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, that's usually
0285
1 where I kept my supplies for my -- when I was
2 taking chemo, when I had my shots and my little
3 alcohol wipes, thermometers, and all that kind
4 of stuff. And I could have been looking
5 through, looking for a thermometer to take on
6 vacation.
7 TRIP DeMUTH: What's in the draw
8 below that one? There are two drawers open?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, I
10 don't know. I just hadn't used it, all that
11 area, that much.
12 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Number 33.
13 PATSY RAMSEY: This is the shot of
14 the bedroom, looking out through the door to her
15 door.
16 THOMAS HANEY: Anything unusual or
17 out of place or --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
19 THOMAS HANEY: 34?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: I just can't imagine
21 why I would leave those open if I had done --
22 THOMAS HANEY: The drawers that you
23 were talking about earlier?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
25 VOICE: That's 34?
0286
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
2 TRIP DeMUTH: Did you have syringes
3 in there?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: I would have at one
5 time. Now, whether I had any in there now, I
6 don't remember. Seems like I got rid of all
7 that stuff. With kids around. I don't know. I
8 just wasn't in there that much. I can't tell
9 you.


Now why didn't she notice these open drawers when she was in the bathroom for "20-30 minutes"? Because IMO...she wasn't IN the bathroom changing clothes or putting on makeup or doing her hair....she never went to bed that night, so there was no need to re-do anything.

interesting they wanted to know which brand she was wearing...some must have been found on JB,it seems.

 

[JMO8778]

I don't know about the methods of 10 years ago, but wouldn't residue/fibers from the gauze and alcohol be found on her as well as the dark blue fibers? I mean, if they found fibers they sourced to JR's shirt made in Israel, they would have seen the white gauze fibers also, I think.
I do think the latex gloves were likely used in a clean up and maybe in the asault as well.

they do make lint free versions of them,whether or not she had any who knows,but I was thinking the may have been used to wipe blood from around her ears, nose and or mouth.I think she was cleaned up in those places bf moving her to the basement.
As far as the vag. wound,I think that happened in the basement,and although gloves were likely used,it doesn't seem anything else along those lines was used to wipe her off with.I don't think she was wiped right away anyway though...I think her panties were blood stained and those were left on her as part of the staging.Only later when they decided to not get her out of the house was she wiped down and redressed,IMO.I think that's why her original underwear disappeared...JR wanted to hide that part of the staging now that she would be found indoors,lest he get the blame for it.

 

[Ames]

they do make lint free versions of them,whether or not she had any who knows,but I was thinking the may have been used to wipe blood from around her ears, nose and or mouth.I think she was cleaned up in those places bf moving her to the basement.
As far as the vag. wound,I think that happened in the basement,and although gloves were likely used,it doesn't seem anything else along those lines was used to wipe her off with.I don't think she was wiped right away anyway though...I think her panties were blood stained and those were left on her as part of the staging.Only later when they decided to not get her out of the house was she wiped down and redressed,IMO.I think that's why her original underwear disappeared...JR wanted to hide that part of the staging now that she would be found indoors,lest he get the blame for it.

I was thinking that they did make lint free versions of those gauze pads...I don't understand anyway, how they would be sterile in the first place, if they shed lint of fibers.

Your last paragraph...I agree.

 

[Ames]

interesting they wanted to know which brand she was wearing...some must have been found on JB,it seems.

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably what I
16 thought I would do, you know, my thinking was I
17 have my underwear and all that is in these
18 drawers here, so I put my underwear on, but I
19 put the black velvet pants on the and the red
20 sweater, red top, and then we have clothes up at
21 the lake, and I took a few things with me. You
22 know, it was just so early, I was just going to
23 throw on whatever I had up there. Just get in,
24 tumble into bed and when we awake early, you
25 know, kind of almost get ready up there. You
0019
1 know.
I pu 2t make up on and brushed my
3 hair but --
4 TOM HANEY: Let me steal that for a
5 second before --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: It's all over your
7 shirt, yeah.
8 TOM HANEY: So this would have not
9 been your normal routine, though, to put the
10 same clothes on?

This part makes absolutely NO SENSE to me, does anybody have any clue what she is even talking about here???


Yes, I thought that it was interesting about the brands of makeup questioning. There had to have been a reason for it.

 

[JMO8778]

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably what I
16 thought I would do, you know, my thinking was I
17 have my underwear and all that is in these
18 drawers here,so I put my underwear on, but I
19 put the black velvet pants on the and the red
20 sweater, red top, and then we have clothes up at
21 the lake, and I took a few things with me. You
22 know, it was just so early, I was just going to
23 throw on whatever I had up there. Just get in,
24 tumble into bed and when we awake early, you
25 know, kind of almost get ready up there. You
0019
1 know.
I pu 2t make up on and brushed my
3 hair but --
4 TOM HANEY: Let me steal that for a
5 second before --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: It's all over your
7 shirt, yeah.
8 TOM HANEY: So this would have not
9 been your normal routine, though, to put the
10 same clothes on?

This part makes absolutely NO SENSE to me, does anybody have any clue what she is even talking about here???

I don't know..sounds like she had a drink or cup and he took it b/f it spilled anymore?