I'm not going to speculate on the potential affair. As other's have said different strokes for different folks so it is possible they were involved intimately but that will come out sooner or later. Firstly I want to say innocent until proven guilty though I feel like LE took their time with this to make sure they had the right person and enough evidence to convict. He was very prepared for this and when he asked about being convicted he asked about circumstantial evidence meaning in his mind he covered his bases. He didn't freak out and actually returned to work and maintained his normal routine. He had to have planned things out if that's the case because as others have mentioned he must have had a change of clothes. Carolyn wasn't found until 5:30pm aka after work which means people wouldn't have been looking for suspicious activity or scars, this is probably why nobody noticed his hands until days later when they would be on high alert.
I know what you mean but I wanted to clarify that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is for a court of law. It has to do with how the judge as jury must treat and view the defendant.
It doesn't apply to us at all.
The fact that LE investigated for over a month, arrested him, she apparently had his DNA under his fingernails, he had scratches and marks, he lied about the reason for his coincidentally long lunch and as you said, he asked about circumstantial evidence...it's enough for me to judge him as highly likely to have committed this crime.
@gitana1, how common is it for a person to call an attorney and ask them to call the investigating LEO to see what evidence they have?
For me, this is the most curious action he took. It is not uncommon for criminals to lie to the boss, talk about a crime with co-workers, etc. But, I have never heard of a person asking a lawyer to check out what the police are finding out about a crime they committed.
NJ.com reports that 30-year-old Kenneth Saal pleaded not guilty Friday in Middlesex County Court in the slaying of 26-year-old Carolyn Byington.
I don't believe the weekends would have been a good time for him to carry any of this out. She lived fairly close to Princeton, where they both worked. However, Lindenwold, where he lives is a good hour away from this area (Princeton/Plainsboro). Also, he is married with a one-year old daughter, so betting that took up a lot of his weekend and evening time. JMO
@gitana1, how common is it for a person to call an attorney and ask them to call the investigating LEO to see what evidence they have?
For me, this is the most curious action he took. It is not uncommon for criminals to lie to the boss, talk about a crime with co-workers, etc. But, I have never heard of a person asking a lawyer to check out what the police are finding out about a crime they committed.
@gitana1, how common is it for a person to call an attorney and ask them to call the investigating LEO to see what evidence they have?
For me, this is the most curious action he took. It is not uncommon for criminals to lie to the boss, talk about a crime with co-workers, etc. But, I have never heard of a person asking a lawyer to check out what the police are finding out about a crime they committed.
I've thought about it as well...Why would he go on lunch break to murder her?
It was said that she did not go home often so that is not a pattern he would follow. What inspired him that day?
Wouldn’t it be easier to kill her later in the evening? Or did he think daytime would mean less people home to run into?
The time and day is of interest to me
I'd be pretty certain they were the culprit.
What made this nut think:@gitana1, how common is it for a person to call an attorney and ask them to call the investigating LEO to see what evidence they have?
For me, this is the most curious action he took. It is not uncommon for criminals to lie to the boss, talk about a crime with co-workers, etc. But, I have never heard of a person asking a lawyer to check out what the police are finding out about a crime they committed.
For my part, I'm thinking he put a little bit of planning into this act. IMO
Or did he think daytime would mean less people home to run into?
Basically I just think he's an idiot and who knows his thought process or what led to this. I hope more insight comes out.
I know what you mean but I wanted to clarify that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is for a court of law. It has to do with how the judge as jury must treat and view the defendant.
It doesn't apply to us at all.
@gitana1, how common is it for a person to call an attorney and ask them to call the investigating LEO to see what evidence they have?
For me, this is the most curious action he took. It is not uncommon for criminals to lie to the boss, talk about a crime with co-workers, etc. But, I have never heard of a person asking a lawyer to check out what the police are finding out about a crime they committed.
What made this nut think:
1)...that an attorney would do that
2)...that LE would tell anybody anything about evidence
Why didn't he just walk down to the court house and just confess?
IANAL - so, just my observations...
So from the various articles/reports, it's a little unclear what scenario may have taken place. Did he end up at her apartment by:
1 - Carolyn was taking the rare lunch at home, nothing to do with any set up, and he overheard this and spontaneously followed her home or got there first and was waiting for her. And just happened to have a weapon ready...
2 - He lured Carolyn home under some type of false pretenses that to her knowledge had nothing to do with him - made up an issue with her apartment, package she needed to sign for, some kind of file she needed to retrieve, etc - then followed her home or got there first.
3 - He asked Carolyn if they could meet outside of work during the day at her place to talk about something important - whether it was a work issue or relationship issue, etc.
4 - He offered to help Carolyn with something in her apartment - move a couch, hang a shelf - but when she told other coworkers she was going home for lunch, she didn't mention anything about KS to them. And also, one article says he followed her home which makes me think she didn't make a prior plan with him to come over.
4 - I have no idea... some other reason/scenario.... ?
If she wasn't expecting him, but if he knocked on her door, it's possible she didn't think she had any reason to fear him, even if she found it odd that he showed up, and just let him in. In most cases, especially in a professional/corporate type job, my personal feeling (right or wrong) is that you kind of think your coworkers are vetted and safe -- meaning they've been screened by HR, passed a background check, you know who their boss is, you know how and where to find them, you've known them for several years, you often know a little bit about their family life. Meaning, that "stranger danger" warning alarms in your head may not be instantly going off without time to process and reflect. It's like oh, you know this person.
From what was reported in the articles, it just said she was going home for lunch that day. It seems like if it was something like "oh I gotta get this file" or "Ken said he would help hang a shelf for me," she might have told another coworker the reason for her rare lunch at home. So that makes me think she was lured home under false pretenses, then maybe opened the door to him not thinking he was there to kill her. Or was it just a total coincidence that for some reason she decided to go home for lunch that day, and he somehow heard this and had a weapon ready to follow her home...that seems less likely.
Just trying to make sense of it... what do you all think?
As far as knowing her address, my previous place of employment had an employee address book you could request for the purpose of sending Christmas/holiday cards. You could opt to have your information not included in this, but from what I remember, most people were listed. It seems all kind of crazy and unsafe now looking back, especially as I was a young, 20 something year old single woman at the time in a total sports/entertainment male dominated industry in New York City, but yea, any employee there could have requested an employee address book!