CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #60

[skyedaze]

The Gazette on Twitter
Nurse and former girlfriend on #PatrickFrazee: “He was tall and handsome and we danced and seemed from the conversation that we had he was pretty admirable, and had his act together and seemed like a pretty good dude." https://gazette.com/news/patrick-frazee-trial-star-witness-krystal-lee-describes-murder-plot/article_55e3ff20-00bf-11ea-b1e5-63fc8156e528.html … #KelseyBerreth

4:11 PM - 6 Nov 2019

well...apparently not.

 

[skyedaze]

Citing Clint, a man who has repeated things to the media that we know for a fact are a lie, isn’t a good way to make your point.

Kelsey never ran off, and PF didn’t have primary custody.

And dressing your kid doesn’t make you a good father.

Extra socks....wow.
How about some shoes maybe?
or a mother???

 

[katydid23]

I’m going to say today was a win for the prosecution- they seemed to do a good job with KK and like her or not (I don’t) she told a compelling story backed up by evidence so far IMO

I’ve never known a murderer or someone who cleaned up after their murdering boyfriend so I can’t understand what she may be thinking or feeling but having been on WS a long time - I will say this - she is the key to a conviction and that’s what I want - yes, she should have stepped forward after attempt 1 but she did not - move on from that I say and be grateful that she is doing the right thing now - it’s up to KBs family to determine forgiveness and I’m certain they were forewarned of all of this testimony - the defense will tear into her for sure but she has her truth and her plea deal hangs in the balance - I expect hysterical tears at times tomorrow when they beat her up with questioning but it’s nothing compared to the beating KB took and I don’t think KK can stop this - she has to testify
All JMO

It will be interesting to see how their attack on KK goes tomorrow. They have to try and shred her to bits. But it is a double edged sword. Kind of a dangerous situation for the defense too.

We have been attacking her for going and agreeing to clean up a brutal crime scene---but the defense doesn't even want to admit there was a brutal crime scene there.

We have been outraged because she says she agreed to attempt to poison or bash KB with a pipe---but the defense wants to say that never happened. So how do they prove that with their cross examination?

They have to somehow get her to get tripped up in her testimony---but just doing so reiterates and emphasises those ugly facts even more. So it is a hard position for the defense tomorrow.

WE can hate her for loving an evil jackass like him. But the defense cannot characterise it like that.

They have to somehow make her the evil, violent one. But the prosecution already built a nice foundation by the testimony of the cell phone guy and the ENT banker. Showing how shady and paranoid he was. And the cell phone travels show he left with her cell. So they have an upstream battle.

I can't wait to hear how they attempt to destroy her testimony tomorrow. It will tell us a lot about how capable and competent this defense team is. Or isn't. JMO

 

[skyedaze]

They talked for 47 minutes Thanksgiving night and she didn't know. Well what he saying then? He sure wasn't calling asking for a sweet potatoes recipe.

"You're either a crime scene cleaner, or you're not..."

 

[MassGuy]

Extra socks....wow.
How about some shoes maybe?
or a mother???

Apparently PF is a good father because he didn’t take his daughter places while she was nude.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

He never had any intention of killing her with the the first hit. For reasons we will never know. He hated her and the plan was to make her suffer as much as possible. I believe those were her last words. And i believe he hit her numerous times after that before she was dead. There are a 1000 painless ways he could have killed her. His plan was to inflict as much pain as possible

That's not nearly "as much pain as possible. imo. And how do you know, what you claim you do? I would think he wanted to do the dirty deed and get his kid out of there, as quickly as possible.

IMO the fact PF used a baseball bat to murder KB shows he pretty much wanted her to suffer and CHEVYMAN wrote "I believe" indicating personal opinion. MOO.

 

[GoJacks]

@GoJacks ... How is the jury responding?

Hmm good question. I had a nice view today, could perfectly see KK, PF, and Jury. I noticed them looking at PF quite a bit. Who really never looked up at all. Saw him look up once.

KK would say a pretty "interesting" thing and I notice them all glance to see a PF response. Of course he didn't give one.

It's hard for me to actually see if they are making any facial expressions or what not. I really can only get a good look at the 4 or so closest to us. Some seem to be very deep in taking notes.

What sucked was, when KK tells us KB's final words, she immediately bolts from the stand and has police escort her out. This blocks me from seeing the jury, thus I could not see their initial response to this.

 

[MsBetsy]

Why? Was the baby's bed in the upstairs loft or was it in the back room? My guess it was in the back room because it had a door for noise control and the loft did not. No need for a baby gate at the top of the stairs if the crib was located downstairs.
Amazing how KK "forgot" about all the cleaning she did in that bathroom. Chemicals detected blood all over the place, including the hinges of the door. I wonder who cleaned it and threw away the bath rug.

JMO

A crib has nothing to do with needing a baby gate. The gate is meant for when the child is up and about during the day, to prevent them from falling down or going up the stairs or from going into another room by themselves.
It's not needed when they are sleeping in a crib.

Imo

 

[oviedo]

It will be interesting to see how their attack on KK goes tomorrow. They have to try and shred her to bits. But it is a double edged sword. Kind of a dangerous situation for the defense too.

We have been attacking her for going and agreeing to clean up a brutal crime scene---but the defense doesn't even want to admit there was a brutal crime scene there.

We have been outraged because she says she agreed to attempt to poison or bash KB with a pipe---but the defense wants to say that never happened. So how do they prove that with their cross examination?

They have to somehow get her to get tripped up in her testimony---but just doing so reiterates and emphasises those ugly facts even more. So it is a hard position for the defense tomorrow.

WE can hate her for loving an evil jackass like him. But the defense cannot characterise it like that.

They have to somehow make her the evil, violent one. But the prosecution already built a nice foundation by the testimony of the cell phone guy and the ENT banker. Showing how shady and paranoid he was. And the cell phone travels show he left with her cell. So they have an upstream battle.

I can't wait to hear how they attempt to destroy her testimony tomorrow. It will tell us a lot about how capable and competent this defense team is. Or isn't. JMO

Yes and let’s not forget it may tell us what he has told his defense team

 

[oviedo]

Hmm good question. I had a nice view today, could perfectly see KK, PF, and Jury. I noticed them looking at PF quite a bit. Who really never looked up at all. Saw him look up once.

KK would say a pretty "interesting" thing and I notice them all glance to see a PF response. Of course he didn't give one.

It's hard for me to actually see if they are making any facial expressions or what not. I really can only get a good look at the 4 or so closest to us. Some seem to be very deep in taking notes.

What sucked was, when KK tells us KB's final words, she immediately bolts from the stand and has police escort her out. This blocks me from seeing the jury, thus I could not see their initial response to this.

Could you see if the people watching were crying ? Because if the jury sees this it may make them think about the horror (of KBs last moments)

 

[MyBelle]

But might you think differently if someone was aware that your child was about to be brutally murdered, and that person had every opportunity to protect herself, AND still save your child's life?

IMO these two were like Bonny & Clide. Only Bonny is getting a pass here. I actually think she was the instigator who wanted kb dead. AFTER she found about the child, the plot was hatched.

<modsnip>

BBM. I agree. I think KK was insanely jealous of KB who was everything KK wasn't: A beautiful young woman with an exciting, professional career who lived in her own home and had a beautiful child with the man KK was clearly obsessed with for many years. At first, I thought PF's motive was money but that was before I knew he had voluntarily paid $700 in child support. Having full custody of the child would cost him a heck of a lot more than $700 every month. A motive isn't necessary but I think in a case without a body or a murder weapon and a condo that may or may not be a crime scene, the jury wants to hear it.

JMO

 

[Safeguard]

What sucked was, when KK tells us KB's final words, she immediately bolts from the stand and has police escort her out. This blocks me from seeing the jury, thus I could not see their initial response to this

Wow. I can only imagine they might have been so horrified. So much talk about that initial blow, hoping kb might have been rendered unconscious ( mercifully). To even hear that she had, "Last Words"! Is so horrible! So she had time to worry about her baby, as any mom might do... Might not have been her last words, but I bet that was her last thought... Fear for her Daughters life.
Disregard what I said earlier! I hate PF and KK!

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you so much for this!

"She eventually grew suspicious of Frazee’s claims that Berreth was a poor mother, especially after babysitting the girl and not finding any bruises on her.

She said she never called police out of fear that she’d be blamed, and that Frazee would call someone to kill her, too."

BBM. This ^ is going to be very important for the jury in order for them to believe what she says, and the jury needs to believe her in order to convict PF.

The defense is going to shred KK/Lee's testimony, so I hope these lines stick in their minds in order to convict PF.

"Frazee would call someone to kill her, too" implies KB's murder was a hired hit and not something PF did himself.

JMO

 

[Hatfield]

Yes and let’s not forget it may tell us what he has told his defense team

JMO
I agree.

Just a prediction that I do think PF probably has given a few facts to his lawyers that they will bring up to her and it will make KK look worse than she already is. It will be something she purposely left out because she knows its so damning to her. Since PF knows the truth of what happened he and his lawyers will try to use it against her.

But its going to be tricky because whatever he could use against her would have to be something that they can convince the jury about without also making PF look just as bad.

No matter what they bring up with KK I dont think it will be nearly enough to save PF's hide as I think the evidence already presented has put this train on a one way track to the state Penn for him.

Just trying to prepare myself that we could be in for more grueling days like today.

 

[GoJacks]

Could you see if the people watching were crying ? Because if the jury sees this it may make them think about the horror (of KBs last moments)

Yup, walking out I saw people wiping away tears.

An older lady sat in the row in front of me and she seemed mortified at what she was hearing. I could see her making some facial expressions (she wasn't directly in front of me, way more to the side, so I could see her face) and I saw her put her head down a few times.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes there is a need. When I had my first little one I wasn't going to be dragging that baby gate up and down. I needed it downstairs when I was downstairs. I needed upstairs when I was upstairs--- I didn't want her trying to go down the steps. So yeah there is a need

My opinion is based on the layout of KB's small condo and my own experience.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

"Frazee would call someone to kill her, too" implies KB's murder was a hired hit and not something PF did himself.

JMO

Only if one wants to read it that way.

Obviously we know this wasn’t a hired hit, as the surveillance footage and cell phone evidence tell us the time period in which KB was killed.

PF was the only one there.

 

[oviedo]

JMO
I agree.

Just a prediction that I do think PF probably has given a few facts to his lawyers that they will bring up to her and it will make KK look worse than she already is. It will be something she purposely left out because she knows its so damning to her. Since PF knows the truth of what happened he and his lawyers will try to use it against her.

But its going to be tricky because whatever he could use against her would have to be something that they can convince the jury about without also making PF look just as bad.

No matter what they bring up with KK I dont think it will be nearly enough to save PF's hide as I think the evidence already presented has put this train on a one way track to the state Penn for him.

Just trying to prepare myself that we could be in for more grueling days like today.

Yes I’ve thought about it and do have an idea of what the defense strategy may be - but sometimes these people read here so ....

 

[oviedo]

Yup, walking out I saw people wiping away tears.

An older lady sat in the row in front of me and she seemed mortified at what she was hearing. I could see her making some facial expressions (she wasn't directly in front of me, way more to the side, so I could see her face) and I saw her put her head down a few times.

Well that confirms my thoughts - Thank you

 

[katydid23]

Only if one wants to read it that way.

Obviously we know this wasn’t a hired hit, as the surveillance footage and cell phone evidence tell us the time period in which KK was killed.

PF was the only one there.

Good point. We know that PF was the one there, with her at the end. >>not a hired hitman.