Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #38

[kshultz06082]

Oh, no. I am Very Pro EE. I am saying that EE did not see the bucket because it was Not there.

Yes, on that Friday EE was rather pre occupied in playing MT's game of hide and seek with his red truck keys.

However, if we are to go by the SW, that EE saw the bucket on the day of his placing it in the mudroom at 4JC on 5/28, then the story leads us to believe that he did not see the bucket the entire weekend.

However, loading and unloading the motorbike on more than one occasion, over the 3-4 days of that particular weekend, would No doubt have given EE many opportunities to see the bucket even perhaps having to move it out of the way while securing the motor bike in the bed of the truck.

It would have been impossible to not see it and therefore, that tells me the bucket was not there.

Otherwise, the SW is misleading and EE Did see the bucket over the weekend and just waited until Tuesday to return the bucket to 4JC.

IMO.

Not impossible in my eyes. Did he have a toolbox on his truck bed? Could have been in there since FD wouldn't want the wind on the highway to get ahold of the bucket or his hoodie. And then forgot about them when the key confusion happened.

So both items sit in the toolbox until EE noticed them in there on 5/28 when he arrived at work and needed to grab some tools out of the toolbox...

 

[afitzy]

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This is why I thought the wedding was at the house-but of course, the whole story doesn’t make sense, so I think the quote must be wrong, or Rena’s daughter is straight up lying.

I'm glad you posted the quote as I didn't remember it that way at all. Will go back and figure out where I first read this. Could also be a 'reposting' error as they are all running together now unfortunately.

 

[LittleBitty]

My thinking is that it is from LA who was with the children at their home for lunch, LA could have bought subway at any point on the way to NC even for herself only, and she did feed lunch to the children, and there are Subways on the Merritt before you reach NC

Exactly. I have never seen it be shown where LA lives (and no we shouldn't post or go looking for that information). She could have easily gone to a Subway. If FD did...what a dolt. Plus, I would guess there is video of the subway or near or around it. Plus, would guess there would be fingerprints on the receipt since it was not glove weather. I imagine they likely cataloged other items not mentioned as well.

 

[afitzy]

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This is why I thought the wedding was at the house-but of course, the whole story doesn’t make sense, so I think the quote must be wrong, or Rena’s daughter is straight up lying.

I'm glad you posted the quote as I didn't remember it that way at all. Will go back and figure out where I first read this. Could also be a DA 'reposting' error as they are all running together now unfortunately. I remember the story as niece was in CT and staying at 4Jx but your quote says something totally different.

Will go back to AW as its taken me months to remove the DA 'reposting' issues from my memory. If this is a new quote and is attributed to Fd neice and was made by DA in HC, then I will just wait for trial and perhaps Fd neice will be a witness for the defense. Simply can't accept random comments from family members who aren't willing to go on the record and be part of the US legal process.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

WOW!

Why is this a Wow?

@oceancalling, Won't she just be pleading "Not Guilty" for the Conspiracy to Murder charges and wait for trial like she did with the prior charges?

OR, do you think there really is a plea deal in play?

MOO

 

[Megnut]

In the SW (Page 87, Item 13) "....perpetrators took part in a "clean-up" of the crime scene...."

Perpetrators. Plural.

 

[Boxer]

Dbm

My thinking is that it is from LA who was with the children at their home for lunch, LA could have bought subway at any point on the way to NC even for herself only, and she did feed lunch to the children, and there are Subways on the Merritt before you reach NC

I agree.
I looked at the Subway at the Fairfield service plaza Subway and it is on the north bound side. Coming south on the Merritt Rt. 15 and MOO it is way too much looping around and back to get to. I don't think anyone SB would do it.

 

[LittleBitty]

In the SW (Page 87, Item 13) "....perpetrators took part in a "clean-up" of the crime scene...."

Perpetrators. Plural.

Exactly. It is still very vague. But I understand that is why people speculating either KM or MT or both could have been present. I don't believe that is the case. JMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

“And if the law and the facts are against you
pound the table and yell like hell”

True. I've also heard if the law, and facts is against the defendant then the defense attorneys tries to dazzle the jury with BS. Lol!

In this case, imo, that won't work either.

Jmho

 

[LittleBitty]

Why is this a Wow?

@oceancalling, Won't she just be pleading "Not Guilty" for the Conspiracy to Murder charges and wait for trial like she did with the prior charges?

OR, do you think there really is a plea deal in play?

MOO

It seems very likely that she will enter a plea on the lesser (initial charges) and hope to work out a plea deal on the conspiracy to commit murder charge. JMO. Don't want to answer for @oceancalling but that is exactly what I am thinking. Course she could enter a plea of NG by reason of insanity or mental impairment.

 

[Alathea]

Someone was going back and forth. That’s how we know in the first place because of the phones. What were the phones sayin then? The AW says the times she said they went back and forth didn’t match the actual cell data but I think it’s pretty obvious they were there. PG is an eye witness to that.

Yes, they were indeed there.

My point was simply that one cannot trust anything MT has said to LE in her first interviews to make any sort of timeline. That includes selfies - for now, we only know she SAID she took them.

Hopefully, she'll wake up and realize she needs to start telling the truth if she doesn't want to spend the majority of the rest of her life in jail. LE will know when she does start telling the truth, because they know much more than what they have said so far!

Anyone can start telling the truth once they fully realize they're completely caught and lies no longer work!

 

[CTGrammy]

What I think was also interesting about the Fd and Atty Pyetranker trip to NCPD was that I believe Fd was 3 hrs late in showing up!

Atty Pyetranker is a Family Court practitioner and was previously one of Fd many atty's, so I'm not sure he had much experience with criminal matters but Fd might not have had many options given the holiday weekend. I do wonder why he didn't bring old buddy KM down to NC? But perhaps even they weren't that bold, given what we know now!

Just think about that. Your spouse is missing and you don't even show up on time to meet with the people trying to find her?

The other thought I had about the Atty Pyetraker being on phone outside NCPD was I wondered if he were on the phone with Atty Riccio trying to figure out what to do? Atty Riccio handled the initial bond hearing for Fd and promptly resigned as criminal counsel.

Also was thinking about the quick thinking NCPD police person who promptly put the Fd phone into airplane mode to secure the phone as who knows what Atty Pyetraker or even Fd might have done to wipe or damage the phone data.

MOO

Could Fd arriving to speak with LE on Saturday, May 25, with his Family Court attorney indicate that Fd expected to use the opportunity to have his children returned to him by charging LA with kidnapping and taking the children out of state?

Otherwise, Why would Fd show up with a Family Court attorney?

IMO, the 3 hour Fd delay in arriving at NC to speak with LE was a tactic used, to have the upper hand by making LE Wait.

Unfortunately for Fd, NC LE are Superior Chess Players and played Fd for a Fool when he Willingly handed his phone over, along with the unlock code.

IMO.

 

[kshultz06082]

Then again, human impulse would be to leave your phone at home when going down Albany.

My human impulse would be to never go near Albany Ave at all day or night.... But not these 2... I understand why MT referred to it as a"creepy area", cuz it IS creepy and scary. There is a very good reason that that area has so many high quality crime watch cameras!!!

I have been lost in this area before.... Scary AF... Then I got pulled over by Hartford PD.... not because I did anything wrong.... The officer came up to my window and explained to me that he is going to escort us to our destination in Hartford

(it was one of the hospitals... One of our friends was in a horrible car accident and lifestarred to the hospital that day and we were going to the hospital to say our goodbyes possibly)

When my dumb naive 22 yr old self asked "why, officer?" He shined his flash light at me and then pointed to my best friend in the passenger seat and looked back and forth between the 2 of us and replied "you 2 DO NOT belong here!!! So i am going to escort you to your destination. Then he explained for our safety where in Hartford we should NEVER be.

 

[LittleBitty]

Yes, they were indeed there.

My point was simply that one cannot trust anything MT has said, or use it to make any sort of timeline. That includes selfies - for now, we only know she SAID she took them.

It really maddening that the State really can't rely on MT for anything. I don't have to like NP but any good attorney worth a paperclip would attack her credibility repeatedly and with good reason. I wouldn't want to put her on the stand unless I kept the scope LIMITED to things that could be backed up with other evidence/testimony. Then NP would have to stick to the scope of the questioning. And even then I wouldn't put MT on the stand unless it was absolutely necessary PLUS with loads of info to back up her testimony.

 

[enelram]

Exactly. It is still very vague. But I understand that is why people speculating either KM or MT or both could have been present. I don't believe that is the case. JMO.

or the other potential co-conspirator- AT

 

[BellaVita]

In the SW (Page 87, Item 13) "....perpetrators took part in a "clean-up" of the crime scene...."

Perpetrators. Plural.

I'm working off a different searchable format. Is this page 87? Alot of language is used repeated throughout the warrants.
13. That your affiants' training and experience, in addition to that of the detectives and van personnel who
are members of the Connecticut State Police and are assisting in this investigation, have a strong belief
that the physical evidence and anecdotal information developed thus far strongly suggests that the victim,
Jennifer Dulos, is deceased following a serious physical assault which occurred on May 24, 2019, at
approximately 8:30 AM at the residence located at 69 Welles Lane in New Canaan, Connecticut. Your
affiants are also aware that evidence has been located which indicates that perpetrators took part in a
"clean-up" of the crime scene and took additional steps to prevent the crime from being detected and to
cloak their identities to law enforcement. Investigation has also shown that it is highly likely that multiple
individuals were involved in the crime and the ensuing clean-up, which would necessitate some form of
communications between individuals.

The one I'm looking at is for tower dumps from t-Mobile

5/23/2019 9:53 PM (EST) until 10:23 PM (EST} 4 Jefferson Crossing, Farmington, CT 06032
5/23/2019 10:10 PM (EST) until 10:40 PM (EST) 585 Middle Rd, Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 7:01 AM (EST) until 7:30 AM (EST} at 4 Jefferson Crossing, Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 1 :20 PM (EST) until 1 :50 PM (EST) 80 Mountain Spring Rd. Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 2:15 PM (EST) until 2:45 PM (EST) at 190 Old Farms Road, Avon, CT 06001
5/24/2019 2:30 PM (EST) until 3:00pm (EST) at 193 Birch Street, Bristol, CT 06010
5/24/2019 7:11 PM (EST)until 7:41 PM (EST) 26 Crossroads Plaza, West Hartford, CT 06117

I think the plural "perpetrators" simply refers to the fact of an accomplice at MS and Albany Ave. MOO!

 

[LittleBitty]

Could Fd arriving to speak with LE on Saturday, May 25, with his Family Court attorney indicate that Fd expected to use the opportunity to have his children returned to him by charging LA with kidnapping and taking the children out of state?

Otherwise, Why would Fd show up with a Family Court attorney?

IMO, the 3 hour Fd delay in arriving at NC to speak with LE was a tactic used, to have the upper hand by making LE Wait.

Unfortunately for Fd, NC LE are Superior Chess Players and played Fd for a Fool when he Willingly handed his phone over, along with the unlock code.

IMO.

Excellent point. Also, FD was texting LA all night of the 24 and early morning hours of the 25th about getting to see his kids on the 25th for his regular Saturday visitation. He even mentioned it to LE when they called FD at 1:00 am on 5/25 that he had a visitation with his kids. LA had texted him the night of the 24th that she had been in touch with LE and was awaiting instructions from LE.
I think he had no intention of cooperating at all. NO interview, blah blah blah. Maybe he signaled TP who was outside on FD phone with the other phone he had on him that LE was trying to move him past the lobby and through the detectors. I think he thought he'd just pop in and let them know, "Hey I am getting my kids ok." but then they tricked his overconfident self into voluntarily handing over his phone and pass code to it. And was so rattled when he realized they weren't gonna give it back (camera footage in the lobby backs this up and he objects multiple times) he and TP stormed out.

 

[afitzy]

It seems very likely that she will enter a plea on the lesser (initial charges) and hope to work out a plea deal on the conspiracy to commit murder charge. JMO. Don't want to answer for @oceancalling but that is exactly what I am thinking. Course she could enter a plea of NG by reason of insanity or mental impairment.

@LittleBitty, she has already plead 'not guilty' on the earlier charges and that is when Atty Bowman said he would wait for a jury trial for MT.

It might be good for the case to have a plea deal from MT or KM but my guess is that it will be the nothing burger we have seen 2x now from MT - 'not guilty and jury trial'.

 

[Boxer]

Exactly. It is still very vague. But I understand that is why people speculating either KM or MT or both could have been present. I don't believe that is the case. JMO.

This part (item 13) of the warrant seems to be for all phone communications in the areas of all the FORE properties.

And this part of the SW does suggest that perpetrators were involved in the crime.
The police are saying there were likely perpetrators and thus they needed a search warrant to look for these perpetrators communications. Specifically T-Mobile is cited.
Was that Jennifer Dulos cell service? Was it JDs?
Or possibly a set of "burner" phones?

"13. That your affiants training and experience, in addition to that of the detectives and van personnel who are members of the Connecticut State Police and are assisting in this investigation, have a strong belief that the physical evidence and anecdotal information developed thus far strongly suggests that the victim, Jennifer Dulos, is deceased following a serious physical assault which occurred on May 24, 2019, approximately 8:30 AM at the residence located at 69 Welles Lane in New Canaan, Connecticut. Your affiants are also aware that evidence has been located which indicates that perpetrators took part in a "clean-up" of the crime scene and took additional steps to prevent the crime from being detected and to cloak their identities to law enforcement. Investigation has also shown that it is highly likely that multiple individuals were involved in the crime and the ensuing clean-up, which would necessitate some form of communications between individuals."

 

[afitzy]

Could Fd arriving to speak with LE on Saturday, May 25, with his Family Court attorney indicate that Fd expected to use the opportunity to have his children returned to him by charging LA with kidnapping and taking the children out of state?

Otherwise, Why would Fd show up with a Family Court attorney?

IMO, the 3 hour Fd delay in arriving at NC to speak with LE was a tactic used, to have the upper hand by making LE Wait.

Unfortunately for Fd, NC LE are Superior Chess Players and played Fd for a Fool when he Willingly handed his phone over, along with the unlock code.

IMO.

Interesting idea. Its strange as Fd didn't seem prepared with legal counsel like MT. I wonder why? Was he not prepared because he didn't think he would be caught? Or, was it a holiday weekend and Pyetranker was only person he could find? IDK.

But, Fd fumbled in the early days of his arrest with counsel too as he had Atty Riccio and had to wait in jail without being able to raise bond until Pattisville stepped in.

Fd clearly wanted the children badly as we saw with his trip into NY where he was rebuffed by GF doormen and NYPD.

Really do wonder if Fd thought he would get away with everything and that is why he had nothing lined up in terms of attorneys and its possibly why/how he ended up with Atty. P. as well?

MOO