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I would too. Call me paranoid, or whatever, but if I had paid for a cruise, I would cancel it too. I just read an article that people who have a fever, a Chinese passport, or have been to China in the last 15 days cannot go on a cruise

Even with those precautions, it just wouldn't be worth it to me. I actually don't like to travel any longer.


The thing is I love traveling but I know what I am like and with something like this I know if I got a cold for example I would think I had this and was dying and no amount of logic would convince me otherwise.
 
Yea me just wondering about cruise liners (oh and other close living quarters).

But what is the ventilation system like on cruise liners? Is it possible for the airborne virus to travel through the vents?

I cannot fathom being isolated like these passengers are. :(
(Oh and thanks for the likes on the icon)

I’m glad you brought up this whole “air vent” business. I saw a video talking about one building where many people died during SARS and I wanted to see/confirm if spread was via the air vents. Also, this “aerosol plume of virus-laden diarrhea” also has me wondering about this as well, the “airborne”, as well as the “fecal” aspects, moo.

Hong Kong to quarantine anyone traveling via China

Hong Kong said starting Saturday midnight local time, it would quarantine anyone who had traveled to and from mainland China in the past 14 days and then returned to Hong Kong.

Hong Kong locals put under quarantine will be allowed to stay at home, while non-locals will have to stay at hotels or "quarantine camps."

I especially expect an increase in Hong Kong cases, considering Ms. Lam left the border points open so long, JMO.
 
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If I had a cruise booked I would totally cancel it.

Hell at the moment I don’t even want to fly on planes as it only takes one infected passenger to wipe out a plane with the way germs spread.

IMO

That worries me. I’m flying in May to WA and my mom is going to Holland same month. She’s 83 and has been through WWII, measles, mumps, whooping cough, almost everything, had a horrible blood infection, almost lost her arm, etc. She has been exposed to but never got TB. But she tests positive every time. She’s one of those people who has survived due to superior immunity.

And she’s incredible. Looks very young. Working on her master’s degree. No one can tell her age.

But her age is reality. And this is different. No one has immunity to it.

So I’m worried. I made her get the pneumonia shot.
 
Australian Exports to China are now being impacted severely. Meat and Wool exports are experiencing huge hurdles atm.

Meat:
The Northern Cooperative Meat Company (NCMC) in Casino in northern New South Wales has product stuck on the docks in China waiting for Chinese government and business employees to go back to work.

The Chinese Government has ordered workers to stay at home and shut ports as part of a range of measures to control the spread of the virus, and it's affecting a range of Australian industries.

Brett Hosking from the Grain Growers lobby group said the outbreak "posed a real challenge for agriculture" as permits were not being issued or vessels unloaded and some manufacturing plants were being affected. "If not shutdowns, we're seeing slow downs," Mr Hosking said.

"Vessels that have already sailed, loaded with fresh Australian, healthy agricultural products are not able to be unloaded or processed as timely as possible."

Wool:
Wool processors across mainland China have been shut down due to coronavirus fears, with the impact on Australian woolgrowers still uncertain.

With about three-quarters of wool produced in Australia sold to China, producers are concerned about a slowdown in demand. Landmark's North-East Wool manager, David Hart, said the situation in China was volatile.

"The banks are also closed, so opening letters of credit for exporters to ship wool into China has been nigh on impossible."
Coronavirus hits NSW meat exporter
 
The workers cleaning the Royal Caribbean Anthem of the Sea on Saturday were not wearing masks or hazmat suites.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...engers-slam-liner-amid-coronavirus-scare/amp/


Additionally, “Darren also wondered why, if the ship is contaminated, the 4,000-plus passengers who were on the boat were allowed to leave?

“If they believed one or more passengers on the boat could have the coronavirus, why let [them] disembark and go home and potentially carry the virus?”

Royal Caribbean did not immediately respond to a query from The Post regarding that question.”

[...]

“The workers cleaning the Royal Caribbean Anthem of the Sea on Saturday were not wearing masks or hazmat suites. Nevertheless, one Bayonne dock worker who showed up to load luggage said he wouldn’t go on board.

“I wouldn’t get on that ship for free, because I am afraid,” said the dock worker, who was expecting to load luggage on the ship but was sent home because there was no loading to be done.

“It’s unfortunate,” he added, predicting that Royal Caribbean is “going to take a hit” from prospective passengers scared away from the cruise line. “A lot more people are going to think as I do.””

https://nypost.com/2020/02/08/stran...passengers-slam-liner-amid-coronavirus-scare/
 
My bother who works for a huge communications company in Texas, expressed some concern he had after he had been to a meeting in January in Hawaii that had a lot of companies from China represented there.
Think of all the meetings that go on around the world with people here in the US flying in and out on a daily basis, meeting with many international companies and their reps.
My sister goes on a cruise on the 22 of Feb. out of Miami and is a little concerned now too.
And my brother's wife was in Vegas for a business convention and came home with a severe virus that was not the flu. It took her weeks to recover.
I feel its only a matter of time if its as communicable as it appears.
 
Video and transcript / Dr. Fauci explains:
Why 'sustained transmission' of novel coronavirus is what would concern U.S. officials
Jan 30, 2020

  • William Brangham:

    “In your press conference earlier this week, you kept stressing the need for more information, for more data, for more samples to come out of China.

    Are you getting the cooperation and the information and the sharing you need from Chinese officials to best do your job?”

  • Anthony Fauci:

    “You know, the answer is yes, but I think we can do better.

    If you compare the transparency during the SARS outbreak in 2002, everyone realized that they were egregiously non-transparent. And that delayed things for a long time.

    That's different now. They really are being open. But what we would like to see is the actual data and the patterns of disease that are going on there ourselves, because what happens there will inform us better as to what our policies will be here.

    So it looks like we're getting in that direction. The WHO is getting a group that is going to be put together to go there, hopefully including us, that would actually take a firsthand on-the-ground look at the data.”

About Dr. Fauci:
Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., NIAID Director | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
 
My bother who works for a huge communications company in Texas, expressed some concern he had after he had been to a meeting in January in Hawaii that had a lot of companies from China represented there.
Think of all the meetings that go on around the world with people here in the US flying in and out on a daily basis, meeting with many international companies and their reps.
My sister goes on a cruise on the 22 of Feb. out of Miami and is a little concerned now too.
And my brother's wife was in Vegas for a business convention and came home with a severe virus that was not the flu. It took her weeks to recover.
I feel its only a matter of time if its as communicable as it appears.
Agree. Coming to a locale near you.
Worse than the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 50 - 100 million worldwide.
Data suggest nCoV more infectious than 1918 flu, but what does that mean?
 
So as far as purchasing my mom's supplies, today at Shoppers Drug,
I was able buy my glove supply.
But as far as masks go, the Shoppers associate, in the medical aids department, told me there are no masks at all
and they are unaware of when the inventory will be replenished.

The alcohol based hand sanitizer was gone, all but 3 minis remained.
And all the travel size were gone.

Giant Tiger still had some Purell.
And Canadian Tire, suppy in the highly trafficked isle was gone, but there was still a full display in the other section of the store.

Just real happy I got the gloves, cause I need them on a day to day basis.
 
This is a total disaster, a massive disaster,” said Darren, 38, an accountant from Wales.

For goodness sake stop complaining about your holiday people are dying and so many are suffering a terrible virus.

True. I think he’s frustrated by the canned response and lack of assistance as they’re stranded. And he’s right. Those cruise lines have a ton of money. They can afford to put people up who were schedule to cruise.
 

Excellent article, thanks.

Wuhan coronavirus: China dispatches bleach trucks to spray down cities - Business Insider
a hydrogen peroxide-based cleanup product that was originally developed to neutralize biological and chemical warfare agents, but is now being sent to at least six different hospitals around China, both inside and outside Hubei province. D7 kills viruses on hard surfaces as well as textiles for up to eight hours, before it degrades into non-potable water, making it far more long-lasting than a bleach and water spray.

Marking “D7”.
 
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All caught up now. Too many to thank, so thank you all. Yes Gitana get your Mom her pneumonia shot. GregR poster here suggested I do so. I forgot there was one??? I had pneumonia early Jan. My Dr. and her Med Student came in wearing masks. Could this be why? No idea. I wasn't asked anything regarding travel etc. I recovered nicely. God Bless your Mom, she sounds like a gem. My Dad also always tested positive for TB. Good ole stock.
 
rbsbm
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – United Arab Emirates
Jan 2020
''The first MERS-CoV case in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) was reported in July 2013. Since then, UAE has reported 91 cases of MERS-CoV (including these cases) and 12 associated deaths. From 2012 until 15 January 2020, the total number of laboratory-confirmed MERS-CoV infection cases reported globally to WHO is 2506 with 862 associated deaths. The total number of deaths includes the deaths that WHO is aware of to date through follow-up with affected member states.''
 
Better safe than sorry? wrt goggles

https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/coronavirus-and-your-eyes/

Coronavirus: How eyes may play a role in its spread

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Wrt to restaurants and takeout, it would be the number of people that
come in contact with your food that should be a consideration?

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Yep. Ben's a charmer.

That link has been removed.

Any more sources on why goggles need to be worn? Making a note. I’m just curious because I have not heard goggles mentioned in any PC’s that I’ve seen, nor heard any references to “eyes”, that I recall anyway, and transmission aspects as we know them are very important to keep clear. Unfortunately I’m going to have to google “aerosol plumes of virus-laden diarrhea” here shortly because I’m struggling with clarity on this subject.
 
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