Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #24

[Anonymous91]

I’d like to comment briefly on a post from the last thread which I can’t bring forward here since the thread is closed. I completely disagree with the statement which assessed Tammy and LDS women in general as passive. It was stated that learning of the affair would result in her “asking” and not “confronting” Chad, and that they would just pray and go to the bishop. I am an LDS woman and I knew Tammy and I know many many other LDS women. They are strong women. Meekness and humility are Christlike attributes, but so are firm faithfulness and solid determination to uphold the commandments. Tammy was strong and absolutely firm when it came to moral principles and I do not believe she would have merely bowed her head and shuffled her feet, so to speak. I respectfully but absolutely disagree with the statements made to the contrary. MOO

I will say that we should'nt use a wide sweeping generalization in one direction or another.
The reality is, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, or the dynamics between a husband and a wife. Unless, of course, you are that husband and wife.

As an outside observer, we can make assumptions, and take an educated guess. We may be completely off base though. Of course, our personal experiences can give us better insight, but that also tends to bias how we perceive things too. I will readily admit, I am all too guilty of this myself.

For example, when I was married (years ago), everyone assumed that we were this happy family with no problems. There were people (in my opinion) that assumed that my wife was "passive" and that she went along with whatever I said or wanted. The reality couldn't be further from the truth. I used to say to close friends that I trusted: There was no such thing as compromise in my marriage. It was "My way, or f*@# you". I learned if I wanted any peace, I just did whatever she wanted, and gave up (for the most part) on having any opinion/disagreement in the matter. I did pick my battles, when it really mattered though, especially if it involved our children.

I am sure that there are both men and women who are under similar circumstances. My heart goes out to them, not a good place to be. If you are in an unhealthy relationship, please seek help, don't suffer needlessly.

It would be interesting to find out what close personal friends have to say though, they would have the best insight into the type of person she was. Especially useful, would be those things she told her friends in confidence. It won't be a perfect picture, but will give us a good idea of who she is, and how the dynamics behind closed doors may have really been.

By the way, you stated you knew Tammy. Did she every say anything about how things were behind closed doors? That would help us have further insight into the dynamics between her and Chad?

I also got the sense that TD was the type of women to not roll over, but that is just my gut instinct, which has been known to be wrong before.

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Earlier in the same message I said things that were indicative of possible suspicion from the family. I began with: "If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy...", then indicated a few other conditions that would indicate how people would have suggested threats ("out for blood"). We have seen ad hominem attacks (put them in jail, why aren't they in jail, he is a murderer, he killed his wife, etc.) all over social media, some threats, and now vandalism to personal property of a POI.

I think we've speculated the idea that the children were hidden because of threat to Lori that she would lose them in a custody battle.

Anyway, this is all why I said, "If the threats were real" I don't know whether there were threats, but I can imagine if a man gets into dispute about moving a daughter/sister/aunt and her children away from her family home (no matter her age) people in the family could be bitter about it. Then when, five years later, said daughter/sister/aunt dies suddenly and unexpectedly after a recent visit wherein she was fine and healthy, do you not assume there are questions if not accusations and threats? Maybe I'm speculating, but I think there's evidence when Chad says he's never going to visit the Douglas family in Utah, there is some reason behind it.

Are you suggesting Tammy's family are resentful or now even suspicious of the move to Rexburg in 2015 and that is why Chad may never visit ?

 

[tresir2012]

Kim Powell on Twitter
@KimPowellTV

This sign is posted on Chad Daybell’s door at his home in #Rexburg. He left #Kauai late last week ahead of his wife’s extradition back to Idaho. #azfamily #MissingChildren



3:49 PM · Mar 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Can anyone read what the small handwritten note says above the "we are not speaking with the media" sign?

 

[Gardener1850]

Lets say everyone who suggests that CD wrote the fake email is correct.

CV thought it was lori because she had access to his computers where he found this email.
Does that mean CD was in CV home while he was out of town?
Or chad had access to his account?

Techie people can you help?

Moo

I'm not a techie but I think that's quite easy to get around.

A. He could have handed a hard copy of it to her in person when he last saw her and said "when you want to see me again, send this letter".
B. He could have snail mailed it disguised as a spiritual pamphlet or something that Charles would not open and told Lori when to expect it.
C. He could have called, facetimed, skyped or snapchatted with her and verbally told her each sentence to write.
D. He could have sent or given her a copy of a similar letter he received from someone else and told her to fill in details that are relevant to Charles to make it believable.
E. He could have emailed it to her at a secret email account she had that didn't go to Charles' computer and then deleted the item in his sent folder (or perhaps he also had an email account Tammy didn't know about).
F. They could have a secret web-based email account that they share. Chad could type the email with no sender and leave it in the drafts folder. Then Lori could go into the drafts folder, download or copy what she needed, delete his message and write him a message back (although this method is probably too advanced for Lori, LOL).

MOO.

 

[divineappt]

A money clip or a rolled up bundle is the norm here, only thing in a baggie would be herbs.

ROTFLMBO, I really needed that!

 

[investigatefred]

They're probably talking in Morse code or sign language at this point... One can only wish LE could have bugged the home in January when they did their search warrant

Kim Powell on Twitter
@KimPowellTV

This sign is posted on Chad Daybell’s door at his home in #Rexburg. He left #Kauai late last week ahead of his wife’s extradition back to Idaho. #azfamily #MissingChildren



3:49 PM · Mar 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[Ohmeohmy]

I got a thank you tweet back from Annie Cushing.. Tylee's Aunt. Hopefully she will come over to Websleuths and let us jump in and help her..MOO

 

[Anonymous91]

TY for the links and info. Regarding your last two questions, I think it is all Chad and Lori using the cult for their own ends.

I agree. In this case, we have a cult, within a cult, within a cult.

MOO

 

[v0x]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=204190394274223

 

[jjenny]

How was Tammy in charge? Chad got to do what he wanted. Tammy didn't want to move to Rexburg, but Chad decided he had a vision or a promoting or whatever you call it, and there was Tammy and family, moving to Rexburg. He obviously got what he wanted by claiming he talked to dead grandma' spirit, had a prompting, had a vision, etc.

 

[kye0001]

They're probably talking in Morse code or sign language at this point... One can only wish LE could have bugged the home in January when they did their search warrant

Tbh I wonder if they did. I’ve wondered all along if that’s why they seized the car and if they bugged the house/car but didn’t want to say anything just in case they did. I’m hoping they did. MOO

 

[Trask]

Earlier in the same message I said things that were indicative of possible suspicion from the family. I began with: "If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy...", then indicated a few other conditions that would indicate how people would have suggested threats ("out for blood"). We have seen ad hominem attacks (put them in jail, why aren't they in jail, he is a murderer, he killed his wife, etc.) all over social media, some threats, and now vandalism to personal property of a POI.

I think we've speculated the idea that the children were hidden because of threat to Lori that she would lose them in a custody battle.

Anyway, this is all why I said, "If the threats were real" I don't know whether there were threats, but I can imagine if a man gets into dispute about moving a daughter/sister/aunt and her children away from her family home (no matter her age) people in the family could be bitter about it. Then when, five years later, said daughter/sister/aunt dies suddenly and unexpectedly after a recent visit wherein she was fine and healthy, do you not assume there are questions if not accusations and threats? Maybe I'm speculating, but I think there's evidence when Chad says he's never going to visit the Douglas family in Utah, there is some reason behind it.

As far as the vadalism, are you talking about the #manup CHAD on the no tresspassing sign? The only photo I could find of that on social media was just a photo of the sign with the #manup CHAD part added through a phone app. Like a photoshop. Was the sign actually vandalized?

 

[BigAl16]

Tbh I wonder if they did. I’ve wondered all along if that’s why they seized the car and if they bugged the house/car but didn’t want to say anything just in case they did. I’m hoping they did. MOO

I'm not going to claim there is no way this could happen, but odds are extremely long.

 

[Anonymous91]

BBM I know you’re being snarky here but you might actually have a point. Nate said there were the kids’ birth certificates and electronics in that baggie too before the cops took them. Maybe was a grab and dash baggie with literally all the money she had left that she kept in the glove box. ?? Or it was an emergency funds in case something happened to CD that she didn’t have access to his money. MOO I’m reaching for straws here.

Wild Speculation Only.

Could this baggie of cash be for paying off someone for something not legal, or at the very least, shady?

A baggie full of cash makes more sense if you are exchanging it for illegal purposes.

MOO

 

[kye0001]

I'm not going to claim there is no way this could happen, but odds are extremely long.

Probably.

 

[Gardener1850]

Earlier in the same message I said things that were indicative of possible suspicion from the family. I began with: "If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy...", then indicated a few other conditions that would indicate how people would have suggested threats ("out for blood"). We have seen ad hominem attacks (put them in jail, why aren't they in jail, he is a murderer, he killed his wife, etc.) all over social media, some threats, and now vandalism to personal property of a POI.

I think we've speculated the idea that the children were hidden because of threat to Lori that she would lose them in a custody battle.

Anyway, this is all why I said, "If the threats were real" I don't know whether there were threats, but I can imagine if a man gets into dispute about moving a daughter/sister/aunt and her children away from her family home (no matter her age) people in the family could be bitter about it. Then when, five years later, said daughter/sister/aunt dies suddenly and unexpectedly after a recent visit wherein she was fine and healthy, do you not assume there are questions if not accusations and threats? Maybe I'm speculating, but I think there's evidence when Chad says he's never going to visit the Douglas family in Utah, there is some reason behind it.

Ok, thanks for answering. No, I had not considered that Tammy's family made any threats nor accusations after Tammy's death. Why would they? It was thought to be a natural death and they initially believed Tammy had a 4 hour autopsy that determined that. Her family was not the motivating force behind the exhumation. They didn't know she had been exhumed until after the fact. Chad was still in communication with them in November because he told his SIL about Lori, telling her that Lori had no minor children. I also haven't seen anything to indicate Tammy's family was angry about the family move to Rexburg in 2015. If you have knowledge of that, it's new info to me. Perhaps Tammy's nephew @Maxxer500 could clarify but the way I understood it was that Chad told Tammy's family quite suddenly that he was remarried in Hawaii* and he would not be coming to visit them, ever. That happened before the media even knew about the missing children or the police investigation. So there were no social media threats then.

*ETA: I went back and found Maxxer's post on the never visiting comment: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

It seems to me that Chad was the one who initiated the cutting off of contact and the comment took Tammy's family by surprise at the time. Yet, it appears they still made some effort to keep in touch since he talked to Tammy's sister in November.

MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

No need to be in the house. Could be phone or texting or facebook messaging or even sending an email to her (that she deleted) or whatever. Presumably not somewhere that CV tracked down or somewhere where any tracks that were left, she was able to destroy though.

MOO

This article indicates Chad and Lori were emailing since Oct 2018 and CV became aware of it.

Lori Vallow's husband emailed her in early 2019 about 'seven missions to accomplish together,' source says

"Multiple sources say Vallow read Daybell's fictional doomsday books for years, but in October 2018, Vallow's husband at the time, Charles Vallow, found multiple emails from the eventual couple.

He was concerned and he warned his family five months before Vallow's brother shot and killed him, claiming self-defense."

I now even wonder what the Chad family emergency was in May 2019 that caused him to cancel a conference appearance. (See our timeline).

 

[justice be served]

I think The Southern Poverty Law Center calling out AVOW is the classic example of 'The Pot calling the Kettle Black'. I wouldn't trust their opinion on anyone else, so good to take what they say with a super big nugget of salt. MOO

How did this subject of SPLC get so off into the fray? Geezus people - let's find these kids and stop debating on Southern Proverty Law Center. JMO

 

[divineappt]

CV

Lets say everyone who suggests that CD wrote the fake email is correct.

CV thought it was lori because she had access to his computers where he found this email.
Does that mean CD was in CV home while he was out of town?
Or chad had access to his account?

Techie people can you help?

Moo

CV said it was a new email address that he did not set up. IIRC

 

[investigatefred]

It says "Baby is sleeping. Please be kind and softly knock."

Can anyone read what the small handwritten note says above the "we are not speaking with the media" sign?