Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[Gardener1850]

Lori Vallow's preliminary hearing moved to May

•Mar 13, 2020

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Attorney for Vallow were back in an eastern Idaho courtroom Friday with two requests.

 

[Trask]

In light of the news that Lori's sole attorney remaining on the case is Mark Means, I feel a repost of his website and a site where clients have reviewed his past performance is in order:

Means-Law Attorney

https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/83642-id-mark-means-4433178.html

Oh yeah, the guy that takes PayPal.

 

[Charlotte65]

In terms of manila folders vs. leather binders though … I don't know … seems to me that whoever chooses their counsel based on their accessories budget kind of deserves whatever he or she gets …

 

[Tortoise]

Eric Grossarth

@ericgrossarth
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CORRECTION: A review of the video taken in court and a closer look at what was said via telephone show Edwina Elcox also plans to leave the case as well.

 

[carbuff]

I’m kinda wondering if maybe the same thing that made Alex drop dead also made Tammy drop dead.

And possibly also JR?

 

[Ohmeohmy]

That's a very interesting photo of Means and Webb looking at each other during the Initial Hearing. They seem to be challenging each other with intense glares. IIRC Elcox argued the motions alone for Lori's side. Maybe Means and Webb could not agree even then how to present their argument for lowered bail? MOO.

I also wanted to note for @Ohmeohmy we can see Lori's footwear in this photo. I think you were the one keeping track for us?

Oh the footwear! Those look maybe like a form of no name brand CROCS with socks
I had to bold that since she was in size 15 mens shower slides in Hawaii

 

[Tortoise]

@AZlawyer if you don't mind and if you have the time - could you explain if a change of judge means she gets to ask again for a bail reduction, and in general, is there a limit on how many requests for bail reduction can be made?

Thanks in advance.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Lori and Alex appear to have zero assets and both got evicted from their rentals so what do they spend their money on? On the rental and vehicle costs? They clearly were in it for the life insurance payouts they thought they would get. MOO

Retrospectively, I think that CV and TD controlled all the finances with their wayward spouses... all hell can break lose for both of them. Such children.

 

[CSIDreamer]

In terms of manila folders vs. leather binders though … I don't know … seems to me that whoever chooses their counsel based on their accessories budget kind of deserves whatever he or she gets …

If I had to choose, I would have kept Elcox. She used to be a prosecutor office I'm losing the word lol

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Divorce documents. And yes. You are reading that right.
These statements are confusing. After they were released to the public, IP and MBP showed up together at her court hearing. If IP really thought his new wife was capable of harming his children, why would he support her? MOO

I have stated before... I don't think that IP has anything to do with 'protecting his children". I am sure his ex-wife will absolutely take care of that... bless her soul.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Eric Grossarth

@ericgrossarth
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9m

CORRECTION: A review of the video taken in court and a closer look at what was said via telephone show Edwina Elcox also plans to leave the case as well.

Does anyone know how you get a pit bull to stop biting? Hahaha

 

[divineappt]

And... when it turns into a Federal Case they will get yet another judge.

I genuinely believe LE is just letting enough out at a time to keep the defense spinning their wheels in gravel wearing themselves out and then “Bam!” MOO

 

[Picklepuck]

Listening to the judge now, he is saying the motion to remove without cause was timely for a "contested proceeding" but not a "contested motion" and the statute has both listed. It sounds to me he thinks it is faster, easier, and erring on the side of the defense to just grant the motion to remove without cause and get on with the show rather than argue the wording in the statute.

Thank you, this is the kind of answer I was looking for!
Also, I just want to say to my fellow WSers that asking questions on here is like describing a shape of a particular puzzle piece that you need in order to complete a puzzle, yet everyone has their own interpretation based on how they heard or related to the description of said missing puzzle piece. The difference though, is that I love all of the otheinterpretations of the puzzle piece as well. They bring on more theories, questions, ideas, etc., which basically is like a handful of rabbit holes to go down, while waiting for MSM updates on the case.

 

[divineappt]

I hope he's genuine and not just jumping on the media bandwagon.

What have they copied?

I haven’t seen anything either.

 

[AZlawyer]

@AZlawyer if you don't mind and if you have the time - could you explain if a change of judge means she gets to ask again for a bail reduction, and in general, is there a limit on how many requests for bail reduction can be made?

Thanks in advance.

A change of judge normally means LESS of a chance of getting any decision reconsidered—judges are very reluctant to second-guess what another judge has decided in the case.

That said, I’m sure she can ask for reduced bail anytime she says there’s been a change in the relevant circumstances.

 

[Picklepuck]

Plain English translation of what the judge said about the motion to disqualify (in the video posted somewhere above):

He tried to figure out if the bond proceeding counted as a “contested proceeding” under Idaho law. (If it WAS a “contested proceeding,” the “without cause” motion was filed too late and some other judge would have to consider the “with cause” motion.) He did a lot of research but couldn’t come up with any crystal clear answer. So he decided to “err on the side of caution” and just grant the motion to disqualify without cause. So there will be a new judge and the “with cause” motion is moot.

THANK YOU!!This is what I thought I understood it to mean, but I don't have any legal knowledge, so I wasn't sure. Appreciate you clear and concise answer.

 

[Picklepuck]

Wow. I didn't expect the judge to agree to the motion to disqualify himself without cause. But I suppose this will prevent Lori from appealing later and saying her first judge was biased. Am I the only one who got the impression that Webb and Elcox had differences of opinions with Means on how to best defend Lori? Perhaps they didn't agree with the motions Means filed asking for the judge to withdraw? MOO.

ITA. Even last week when they had the hearing, I thought MM seemed bothered by Elcox whenever she would speak. He stared down at the table intensely, IMO. He never looks at her while she is speaking, that I noticed. I feel like after knowing how he handles poor reviews, that he needs to be the know-it-all. He criticizes and deflects (read his replies to the 1 star reviews in link recently posted above). His areas of expertise seem to be the easier-to-win type cases(MOO) and his website reminds me of a billboard I would see driving on a long and straight interstate.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

A change of judge normally means LESS of a chance of getting any decision reconsidered—judges are very reluctant to second-guess what another judge has decided in the case.

That said, I’m sure she can ask for reduced bail anytime she says there’s been a change in the relevant circumstances.

And... with the big LEA pow wows happening all around, it's not likely, as murder charges loom...

 

[watergirl62]

Well played, Judge Eddins, well played. I think that was kind of brilliant maneuvering. I get the distinct impression that he wants nothing more to do with the criminal case.

 

[OGDiva]

Just saw for myself, the Dear Chad letter originally written by one of our most valued WS members, posted in a Facebook group. To the OP on Facebook... seriously, not cool at all. I doubt our poster would want that on FB and if they do, it's theirs to share.