Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #44

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Without a body, could they make the case that he was dead -- and had died in his room?
Snipped by me.

Just honing in on this portion of the post.

It's my guess that there was enough blood in the bedroom to indicate that a body could not survive the loss. The bedroom was the scene of such violence that murder could be charged without a body being found. Plus, the violent scene was in his own bedroom while under the care of his stepmother and no one else, and he never returned. Prosecution was confident, imo, a jury would agree that was murder, even without a body.

It's on the back of my mind that she shot him at the dump site, whether it was after he was dead (out of spite? to make it look like an abduction?) or whether he wasn't quite deceased yet and she had to finish him off.

Just really glad Gannon was found, for many reasons.

jmo
 
Monday morning thoughts, just mine:

At the time of the AW, LE did not have a body, but they did have a scene of a violent assault. They had zero evidence of Gannon after 10:15 am. TS's own behavior, deception, movements opened the case wide open... I personally think Dan May was at the house twice, to confirm for himself the quality of search warrants and eventually the arrest warrant. Without a body, could they make the case that he was dead -- and had died in his room?

I still hold to the possibility that, had Gannon been recovered prior to the warrant, we might've seen a slightly different timeline.

The autopsy reveals more about the manner of death. Gun is new.

A lot IMO will hinge on evidence of gunfire in the home....

I will concede, the video we have seen, may not be the critical clip that kneeled AS. For example, if there's a pop of gunfire on his AUDIO recording, that could be the moment AS wept. If that were the case, however, if LE had reason to believe a gun was used, surely that would've been included in the original AW, right?

This is the movie that plays in my head:

Something happened Sunday night... maybe a series of events -- a soiling incident or some such thing.... then there's discipline.... and an injury....

What we can infer, I think, is that, at some point, a very injured Gannon is on his bed, bleeding badly. I propose he was cut. TS may or may not realize the severity of his injury just yet.... but we know she's awake, Googling throughout the night.

I have to wonder if perhaps she had a completely different thought process -- Gannon is injured, she doesn't want to be blamed, she over-medicates him, to keep him asleep and quiet so the girls aren't alerted.... could it be that, during the night or the next morning, TS took a nearby implement, say a Louisville slugger, and used it, thinking one whack, one cover up, build a runaway story? Blunt force...

She may have overestimated the effectiveness of her weapon. Patrick Frazee, a MAN, told us he was surprised how hard it was to kill someone with a baseball bat. Strong guy, petite fiancee, the expert estimated it took as many as 15 blows. And that was against a wood floor, not against an absorbing mattress... TS could have mistakenly believed that one blow wouldn't be enough.....

And here's where I THINK she switched to Plan B. Get Gannon out of the house and murder him.

Amid her lies, I think she told some truth.

Gannon was indeed cut, just not in the garage. Not by Albert's tools.

Gannon didn't walk back and forth to the gate. TS did. With his blood.

Gannon didn't come home with her. Which is what she WANTED us to believe.

TS loaded her weapons into the truck. Both the bat I proposed and a gun. Play It Again Sports was a tale to presplain missing equipment. I won't be surprised to learn that LE has recovered a baseball bat or similar instrument from a landfill....

TS told us she wrapped Gannon's foot as he sat on the "edge" of her car, presplaining the location of his eventual DNA discovery AND suggesting she did, in fact, wrap him. Good to go. I propose that she wrapped his head, preventing blood loss in the truck. I still think it's entirely possible she wrapped his head in such a way that he was blindfolded.

I think the hours for which her movements are unaccounted are key. If TS was able to get a nearly mortally wounded and concussed young man up the basement stairs and into a truck, I believe it's fully possible she similarly walked him to his death.

She is a monster and, I'm not doctor, but I support the Cluster F diagnosis. She isn't married to ANY version of truth.... I can easily hear her say, "I would never ever hurt this child. I DID NOT kill him. I was only doing what I had to do." Severe compartmentalizing. "I would never HAVE killed him ..." so therefore, it's as if she didn't.

IMO she left Petco, drove to the murder site, probably but not necessarily near Palmer Lake, got Gannon out of the car, walked him into a protected location and shot him.

Then she returned to Petco, probably later than she expected to. I submit Petco was supposed to be her alibi.... she wanted to say she'd been there from 11 onward....

The board, the sock, Palmer Lake, her phone, his phone, Eguardo with a gun, two blows, two blackouts, a blood trail.... vinegar, baking soda, trashcans, the cardboard box, the brown suitcase. She herself highlighted all of the elements of this case, she just tried WITHOUT SUCCESS to spin them into a yarn that didn't include her. She IS a monster, she just doesn't want anyone to THINK that about her.

I base my theory on the bloodshed in his room.... Gannon had to bleed for a long time for blood to make it through the mattress, onto the floor, through the carpet and pad to the floor below. IMO that's an overnight situation, not an afternoon one.

My theory is subject to change if there's evidence he was shot in his room. I'm not convinced presently that that's the case. Cut, bludgeoned, shot.... just not shot at home....

I really wish that, in tandem with the harshest sentence imaginable, the judge would forcibly disabuse TS of her delusions. Eviscerate her brain so she has to see what she's done.

Beauty may be skin deep but she proves that evil goes all the way through --

JMO
THIS^^^^^
 
Monday morning thoughts, just mine:

At the time of the AW, LE did not have a body, but they did have a scene of a violent assault. They had zero evidence of Gannon after 10:15 am. TS's own behavior, deception, movements opened the case wide open... I personally think Dan May was at the house twice, to confirm for himself the quality of search warrants and eventually the arrest warrant. Without a body, could they make the case that he was dead -- and had died in his room?

I still hold to the possibility that, had Gannon been recovered prior to the warrant, we might've seen a slightly different timeline.

The autopsy reveals more about the manner of death. Gun is new.

A lot IMO will hinge on evidence of gunfire in the home....

I will concede, the video we have seen, may not be the critical clip that kneeled AS. For example, if there's a pop of gunfire on his AUDIO recording, that could be the moment AS wept. If that were the case, however, if LE had reason to believe a gun was used, surely that would've been included in the original AW, right?

This is the movie that plays in my head:

Something happened Sunday night... maybe a series of events -- a soiling incident or some such thing.... then there's discipline.... and an injury....

What we can infer, I think, is that, at some point, a very injured Gannon is on his bed, bleeding badly. I propose he was cut. TS may or may not realize the severity of his injury just yet.... but we know she's awake, Googling throughout the night.

I have to wonder if perhaps she had a completely different thought process -- Gannon is injured, she doesn't want to be blamed, she over-medicates him, to keep him asleep and quiet so the girls aren't alerted.... could it be that, during the night or the next morning, TS took a nearby implement, say a Louisville slugger, and used it, thinking one whack, one cover up, build a runaway story? Blunt force...

She may have overestimated the effectiveness of her weapon. Patrick Frazee, a MAN, told us he was surprised how hard it was to kill someone with a baseball bat. Strong guy, petite fiancee, the expert estimated it took as many as 15 blows. And that was against a wood floor, not against an absorbing mattress... TS could have mistakenly believed that one blow wouldn't be enough.....

And here's where I THINK she switched to Plan B. Get Gannon out of the house and murder him.

Amid her lies, I think she told some truth.

Gannon was indeed cut, just not in the garage. Not by Albert's tools.

Gannon didn't walk back and forth to the gate. TS did. With his blood.

Gannon didn't come home with her. Which is what she WANTED us to believe.

TS loaded her weapons into the truck. Both the bat I proposed and a gun. Play It Again Sports was a tale to presplain missing equipment. I won't be surprised to learn that LE has recovered a baseball bat or similar instrument from a landfill....

TS told us she wrapped Gannon's foot as he sat on the "edge" of her car, presplaining the location of his eventual DNA discovery AND suggesting she did, in fact, wrap him. Good to go. I propose that she wrapped his head, preventing blood loss in the truck. I still think it's entirely possible she wrapped his head in such a way that he was blindfolded.

I think the hours for which her movements are unaccounted are key. If TS was able to get a nearly mortally wounded and concussed young man up the basement stairs and into a truck, I believe it's fully possible she similarly walked him to his death.

She is a monster and, I'm not doctor, but I support the Cluster F diagnosis. She isn't married to ANY version of truth.... I can easily hear her say, "I would never ever hurt this child. I DID NOT kill him. I was only doing what I had to do." Severe compartmentalizing. "I would never HAVE killed him ..." so therefore, it's as if she didn't.

IMO she left Petco, drove to the murder site, probably but not necessarily near Palmer Lake, got Gannon out of the car, walked him into a protected location and shot him.

Then she returned to Petco, probably later than she expected to. I submit Petco was supposed to be her alibi.... she wanted to say she'd been there from 11 onward....

The board, the sock, Palmer Lake, her phone, his phone, Eguardo with a gun, two blows, two blackouts, a blood trail.... vinegar, baking soda, trashcans, the cardboard box, the brown suitcase. She herself highlighted all of the elements of this case, she just tried WITHOUT SUCCESS to spin them into a yarn that didn't include her. She IS a monster, she just doesn't want anyone to THINK that about her.

I base my theory on the bloodshed in his room.... Gannon had to bleed for a long time for blood to make it through the mattress, onto the floor, through the carpet and pad to the floor below. IMO that's an overnight situation, not an afternoon one.

My theory is subject to change if there's evidence he was shot in his room. I'm not convinced presently that that's the case. Cut, bludgeoned, shot.... just not shot at home....

I really wish that, in tandem with the harshest sentence imaginable, the judge would forcibly disabuse TS of her delusions. Eviscerate her brain so she has to see what she's done.

Beauty may be skin deep but she proves that evil goes all the way through --

JMO
dbm - duplicate post
 
Monday morning thoughts, just mine:

At the time of the AW, LE did not have a body, but they did have a scene of a violent assault. They had zero evidence of Gannon after 10:15 am. TS's own behavior, deception, movements opened the case wide open... I personally think Dan May was at the house twice, to confirm for himself the quality of search warrants and eventually the arrest warrant. Without a body, could they make the case that he was dead -- and had died in his room?

I still hold to the possibility that, had Gannon been recovered prior to the warrant, we might've seen a slightly different timeline.

The autopsy reveals more about the manner of death. Gun is new.

A lot IMO will hinge on evidence of gunfire in the home....

I will concede, the video we have seen, may not be the critical clip that kneeled AS. For example, if there's a pop of gunfire on his AUDIO recording, that could be the moment AS wept. If that were the case, however, if LE had reason to believe a gun was used, surely that would've been included in the original AW, right?

This is the movie that plays in my head:

Something happened Sunday night... maybe a series of events -- a soiling incident or some such thing.... then there's "discipline" (abuse).... and an injury....

What we can infer, I think, is that, at some point, a very injured Gannon is on his bed, bleeding badly. I propose he was cut. TS may or may not realize the severity of his injury just yet.... but we know she's awake, Googling throughout the night.

I have to wonder if perhaps she had a completely different thought process -- Gannon is injured, she doesn't want to be blamed, she over-medicates him, to keep him asleep and quiet so the girls aren't alerted.... could it be that, during the night or the next morning, TS took a nearby implement, say a Louisville slugger, and used it, thinking one whack, one cover up, build a runaway story? Blunt force...

She may have overestimated the effectiveness of her weapon. Patrick Frazee, a MAN, told us he was surprised how hard it was to kill someone with a baseball bat. Strong guy, petite fiancee, the expert estimated it took as many as 15 blows. And that was against a wood floor, not against an absorbing mattress... TS could have mistakenly believed that one blow would be enough.....

And here's where I THINK she switched to Plan B. Get Gannon out of the house and murder him.

Amid her lies, I think she told some truth.

Gannon was indeed cut, just not in the garage. Not by Albert's tools.

Gannon didn't walk back and forth to the gate. TS did. With his blood.

Gannon didn't come home with her. Which is what she WANTED us to believe.

TS loaded her weapons into the truck. Both the bat I proposed and a gun. Play It Again Sports was a tale to presplain missing equipment. I won't be surprised to learn that LE has recovered a baseball bat or similar instrument from a landfill....

TS told us she wrapped Gannon's foot as he sat on the "edge" of her car, presplaining the location of his eventual DNA discovery AND suggesting she did, in fact, wrap him. Good to go. I propose that she wrapped his head, preventing blood loss in the truck. I still think it's entirely possible she wrapped his head in such a way that he was blindfolded.

I think the hours for which her movements are unaccounted are key. If TS was able to get a nearly mortally wounded and concussed young man up the basement stairs and into a truck, I believe it's fully possible she similarly walked him to his death.

She is a monster and, I'm not doctor, but I support the Cluster F diagnosis. She isn't married to ANY version of truth.... I can easily hear her say, "I would never ever hurt this child. I DID NOT kill him. I was only doing what I had to do." Severe compartmentalizing. "I would never HAVE killed him ..." so therefore, it's as if she didn't.

IMO she left Petco, drove to the murder site, probably but not necessarily near Palmer Lake, got Gannon out of the car, walked him into a protected location and shot him.

Then she returned to Petco, probably later than she expected to. I submit Petco was supposed to be her alibi.... she wanted to say she'd been there from 11 onward....

The board, the sock, Palmer Lake, her phone, his phone, Eguardo with a gun, two blows, two blackouts, a blood trail.... vinegar, baking soda, trashcans, the cardboard box, the brown suitcase. She herself highlighted all of the elements of this case, she just tried WITHOUT SUCCESS to spin them into a yarn that didn't include her. She IS a monster, she just doesn't want anyone to THINK that about her.

I base my theory on the bloodshed in his room.... Gannon had to bleed for a long time for blood to make it through the mattress, onto the floor, through the carpet and pad to the floor below. IMO that's an overnight situation, not an afternoon one.

My theory is subject to change if there's evidence he was shot in his room. I'm not convinced presently that that's the case. Cut, bludgeoned, shot.... just not shot at home....

I really wish that, in tandem with the harshest sentence imaginable, the judge would forcibly disabuse TS of her delusions. Eviscerate her brain so she has to see what she's done.

Beauty may be skin deep but she proves that evil goes all the way through --

JMO
I agree with you theory. It’s that or very close. And she is sitting in jail telling people she is innocent and was framed.

Evil monster.

I followed the Frazee case amidst some harshness in my own life. But one thing I missed was the 15 blows Kelsey took. This makes me incredibly sad. I can fully realize her saying “Please stop” and it makes me cringe. How it must have broken her family’s hearts. Patrick Frazee is another monster. It makes Krystal Lee seem even worse, IMO.
 
Is it possible that they weren't 100% positive that the loss of the amount of blood found in the room would cause immediate death; but they knew that if LS had hurt Gannon to that extent, there was no possibility that she would allow him to live and tell?
 
Is it possible that they weren't 100% positive that the loss of the amount of blood found in the room would cause immediate death; but they knew that if LS had hurt Gannon to that extent, there was no possibility that she would allow him to live and tell?
I think they were surer than that. There was no room for "reasonable doubt" that he survived what happened in the bedroom, imo.

My opinion.

jmo
 
They could definitely tell he hadn’t run away and he was missing. Really only one reason would fit that scenario.


"Narcissists have the emotional maturity of children. Which is why they feel anger at many things children do. Things that most adults have learned to handle, cause anger for many narcissists.

Narcissists expect all the special treatment. And for EVERYTHING to revolve around them. They expect to be superior and “better” than everyone.

This is unrealistic for anyone to attain. Which is why narcissists spend most of their life feeling angry and resentful."
 
"Narcissists have the emotional maturity of children. Which is why they feel anger at many things children do. Things that most adults have learned to handle, cause anger for many narcissists.
Snipped

Interesting insight! How unfortunate she went into the teaching profession (or attempted t0).

One joy in life is developing the maturity when you don't get upset over every little mistake or burst of energy from children. That comes with either experience, natural disposition (some people are just more patient by nature), or a combination.

Interesting to think that a narc doesn't mature into that but are stuck in the anger stage (which is often an immature first response to many things).

jmo
 
I base my theory on the bloodshed in his room.... Gannon had to bleed for a long time for blood to make it through the mattress, onto the floor, through the carpet and pad to the floor below. IMO that's an overnight situation, not an afternoon one.

My thoughts exactly after researching the timeframe of fast draining injuries. It’s a matter of hours to soak through a mattress alone. That is more consistent with a Sunday night injury not a short term Monday after 2:15. JMO

In regards to the head wrap.... Remember he walked alone to the truck so maybe not across the eyes. Also do you think she would chance a neighbor seeing his bandages? Perhaps under a hat pulled down to the eyebrows instead? JMO
 
My thoughts exactly after researching the timeframe of fast draining injuries. It’s a matter of hours to soak through a mattress alone. That is more consistent with a Sunday night injury not a short term Monday after 2:15. JMO

In regards to the head wrap.... Remember he walked alone to the truck so maybe not across the eyes. Also do you think she would chance a neighbor seeing his bandages? Perhaps under a hat pulled down to the eyebrows instead? JMO
Regarding the soaking into the mattress - why wouldn't that happen on Monday? Once the blood hit the mattress, it would be impossible to get it out, so it would "soak," whether it happened Sunday or Monday. It's not as if it a mattress is a hard surface that can be wiped clean, ykwim? Soaking happened simply because of the material not because of time.

IDK?

jmo
 
Regarding the soaking into the mattress - why wouldn't that happen on Monday? Once the blood hit the mattress, it would be impossible to get it out, so it would "soak," whether it happened Sunday or Monday. It's not as if it a mattress is a hard surface that can be wiped clean, ykwim? Soaking happened simply because of the material not because of time.

IDK?

jmo


I completely agree with you that’s why I started researching it. To me at first I never questioned the soaking through because I though it was like pouring liquid to see the same results. Then after reading (my interpretation only) the blood is thicker & grabs on to it’s surroundings as it soaks through.

I was still all for G returning home after the shopping trip so I convinced myself maybe blood mixed with cleaning liquid would speed up the flow/soaking. UGH I am still trying to wrap my brain around so much of LH’s mess/evilness she created that in 10 no doubt I will be doing another detour in thought. MOO
 
...snip for clarity.... Without a body, could they make the case that he was dead -- and had died in his room?

I wonder, since they seem to be fairly sure he died at home whether a cadavar dog might have "hit" on a scent in his bedroom? I don't know how long it takes after death for a body's chemistry to change, but that might one way they could determine where he died.

JMO MOO
 
I wonder, since they seem to be fairly sure he died at home whether a cadavar dog might have "hit" on a scent in his bedroom? I don't know how long it takes after death for a body's chemistry to change, but that might one way they could determine where he died.

JMO MOO

For me personally, I would assume that information would have been in the AA as a way to prove the theory that he passed in the suggested timeline as well as solidify the theory in the AA.
 
Regarding the soaking into the mattress - why wouldn't that happen on Monday? Once the blood hit the mattress, it would be impossible to get it out, so it would "soak," whether it happened Sunday or Monday. It's not as if it a mattress is a hard surface that can be wiped clean, ykwim? Soaking happened simply because of the material not because of time.

IDK?

jmo
Yes, blood will soak through a cotton sheet and a mattress pad and onto the mattress in minutes. The more blood, the more bloodstains on the mattress.

I think the fact that there was a large amount of blood at the head of the bed and on the floor means that the body lay there for at least a few minutes before it was moved. The blood found in the hallway and the stairs by the basement and in the garage also indicates that she moved the body shortly after he was killed.

Maybe some of the movements and opening and closing the doors was TS getting the suitcase and putting the particle board in the trunk before she went back to move the body.

Imo
 
My thoughts exactly after researching the timeframe of fast draining injuries. It’s a matter of hours to soak through a mattress alone. That is more consistent with a Sunday night injury not a short term Monday after 2:15. JMO

In regards to the head wrap.... Remember he walked alone to the truck so maybe not across the eyes. Also do you think she would chance a neighbor seeing his bandages? Perhaps under a hat pulled down to the eyebrows instead? JMO
I don't think the blood soaked through the mattress. According to the AA there were bloodstains "on" the mattress. The blood did soak through the carpet, the carpet pad, and onto the concrete floor, though, which indicates a large amount of blood from a fatal injury. The blood spatter on the wall near the head of the bed might have been from the same injury, as well as the blood covering the electric panel.

Imo
 
I completely agree with you that’s why I started researching it. To me at first I never questioned the soaking through because I though it was like pouring liquid to see the same results. Then after reading (my interpretation only) the blood is thicker & grabs on to it’s surroundings as it soaks through.

I was still all for G returning home after the shopping trip so I convinced myself maybe blood mixed with cleaning liquid would speed up the flow/soaking. UGH I am still trying to wrap my brain around so much of LH’s mess/evilness she created that in 10 no doubt I will be doing another detour in thought. MOO

Super interesting! Thanks for sharing what you're learning, @Bbybluz.

(No matter what case I follow on WS, I learn something new. I just never know what it will be.)

jmo
 
I wonder, since they seem to be fairly sure he died at home whether a cadavar dog might have "hit" on a scent in his bedroom? I don't know how long it takes after death for a body's chemistry to change, but that might one way they could determine where he died.

JMO MOO
IIRC bodies begin to emit cadavarin 2 hours after death, the dogs scent on that. So if dogs never hit on cadaver scent at the house, Tiguan might have been moved away on Monday night. Adding even more car shuffling.
 
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