Possible Victim: Valerie Mack, 24, Manorville Jane Doe #6, missing 2000, found Nov 2000 & Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

I'd like to update the Unidentified page but without being able to confirm I don't want to jump the gun. I've been digging a bit and can't find any information on anyone with this name even being missing.

Remember, if the MurderInc site is providing accurate information, then Malorie was probably adopted, and hence, a potentially different last name (and maybe even first name, if she was adopted out as an infant).

I pray she had a happy, normal childhood.
 
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Whr
Remember, if the MurderInc site is providing accurate information, then Malorie was probably adopted, and hence, a potentially different last name (and maybe even first name, if she was adopted out as an infant). I've run a search on Ancestry, and no directories or evidence that point to a Malorie Fulton, at least in NJ.

Her siblings were apparently in foster care. If they weren't adopted, they would have retained the same last name.

Where did you find information about her siblings being in foster care? Some of you are so good at digging stuff up..... :)
 
SCPD has been STINGY at best with any information at all and it's frustrating. After all this time, why not put out what they know? It's ridiculous. And to come out with this most recent statement of "we know who Jane Doe is, but we're going to just say that and then let everyone WONDER who the heck it is" It's BS....


Remember, if the MurderInc site is providing accurate information, then Malorie was probably adopted, and hence, a potentially different last name (and maybe even first name, if she was adopted out as an infant). I've run a search on Ancestry, and no directories or evidence that point to a Malorie Fulton, at least in NJ.

Her siblings were apparently in foster care. If they weren't adopted, they would have retained the same last name.

Where did you find information about her siblings being in foster care? Some of you are so good at digging stuff up..... :)
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
 
If you look up the article on murderinc, you will see a pic of possible classmates of Malories siblings in a yearbook. I searched one of the students shown on Facebook and found out the man lives in PA. Maybe someone could instant message him to see if he knows the Fultons
 
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interesting....
former detective Fitzpatrick /Suffolk county

1. wrote letter for leniency for former Chief Burkehttp://riverheadnewsreview.timesreview.com/2012/03/35433/suffolk-police-to-brief-media-on-body-found-in-manorville/
2
. Tells a reporter in 2002 that the FBI handled murders for their dept (not true in 2002)
3. Did not release the tattoo info for Jane Doe #6...saving it for someone to verify via Crimestoppers
4. Doesn’t see a link with four other bodies in area of Jessica Taylor (including two men)
 
interesting....
former detective Fitzpatrick /Suffolk county

1. wrote letter for leniency for former Chief BurkePolice: Bodies recently discovered in Manorville likely not connected to Gilgo - Riverhead News Review
2. Tells a reporter in 2002 that the FBI handled murders for their dept (not true in 2002)
3. Did not release the tattoo info for Jane Doe #6...saving it for someone to verify via Crimestoppers
4. Doesn’t see a link with four other bodies in area of Jessica Taylor (including two men)

They don't want to admit statistics on it. And probably don't want to lose jurisdiction to FBI. If Manorville suddenly looks like Cabot Cove in terms of bodies piling up and the work of a serial, property values decline. It's easier to say numerous different people are dropping off bodies from out of town. (That doesn't actually make me feel better about Manorville.) But they seem to think it absolves them of responsibility.
 
If Jane Doe 6/Malorie were adopted, that might be part of what's taking so long to bring this out into the light. Investigators have obviously reached out to her bio family for DNA, but they'd also want to track down and contact her adoptive family.
You'd think they would have done that before breaking the news.
Who knows, though-- would like to give SCPD the benefit of the doubt, and this would be, at least, an understandable reason for the lag.
 
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Short of them knowing who killed her, unless they know this girls last known acquaintances and locations and lifestyle, I don't know why they wouldn't release her identity while asking for that information in a press conference as opposed to some obscure website.

Different news articles state different things. It will be also on their website but I am pretty sure that there will be another press conference in near future (in next few days) to announce her true identity as it is quite a big news.

Delay of few days might be due to tying some loose ends, some interviews and talking to next of kins.
 
What I mean is that the Suffolk Police had nine years to start a website like this, seeking information and offering updates, but they didn't until a week before "Lost Girls" started streaming on everyone's television. The police assumed, correctly, that viewers of the movie (which doesn't exactly depict the police effort as an admirable one) would wonder what the police were actually doing to solve the case. Hence the website. Same thing, of course, with the release of the belt photo; based on their description of it as having come from a crime scene, they've had that for nine years as well.

New police website for this case has absolutely nothing to do with Neflix movie even though some might believe that. Yes, movie brought it to attention to some audience which never heard of this case, but thats about it. Police site has to do with new task force being formed 4 month ago to reinvestigate the whole case.

While many are still skeptical because of past handling of the case, I personally do have renewed hope with that new team and seeing that some results are finally starting to come.
 
I haven't been around Webslueths much, mostly because there has been little to NO movement on this case and life has just been too busy.

Anyway... I see someone saying that Jane Doe #6 is "xxxx". Is the only evidence of that, this reference on this page (pardon me if I'm not suppose to post this link, I don't remember if it's ok or not)
Someone came on the "Unidentified" page that Lorraine Ela and I have been running since the beginning, saying they saw it on Webslueths, but I can't find any discussion on it.

I'd like to update the Unidentified page but without being able to confirm I don't want to jump the gun. I've been digging a bit and can't find any information on anyone with this name even being missing.
Can anyone point me to any other information?
Like everyone else, I'm waiting for the SCPD to release the name we know they have now, but as far as I can find, they have not done that yet...
Manorville Jane Doe

While I am still trying to catch up with this thread, and I myself run Unidentifed page too I personally would NOT recommend to share the name of Any identified person prior to official police press release.

There is very valid reason in every case why info to public is delayed and we should not forget this in this and other cases that they are a murder investigation. Leaking the info just hinder things on many levels and some info might or might not be even true. Public and our audience can wait few more days for factual and confirmed information.

It is alarming that someone came to you saying that they saw leaked name on Websleuths. There is reason why it is against Websleuths rules to post rumours here (not you).

I have alerted mods to delete the name from this thread untill information is official. Info inside of posted links are ok though.
 
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SCPD has been STINGY at best with any information at all and it's frustrating. After all this time, why not put out what they know? It's ridiculous. And to come out with this most recent statement of "we know who Jane Doe is, but we're going to just say that and then let everyone WONDER who the heck it is" It's BS....


Remember, if the MurderInc site is providing accurate information, then Malorie was probably adopted, and hence, a potentially different last name (and maybe even first name, if she was adopted out as an infant). I've run a search on Ancestry, and no directories or evidence that point to a Malorie Fulton, at least in NJ.

Her siblings were apparently in foster care. If they weren't adopted, they would have retained the same last name.

Where did you find information about her siblings being in foster care? Some of you are so good at digging stuff up..... :)
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk

BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear

2002

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
While I am still trying to catch up with this thread, and I myself run Unidentifed page too I personally would NOT recommend to share the name of Any identified person prior to official police press release.

There is very valid reason in every case why info to public is delayed and we should not forget this in this and other cases that they are a murder investigation. Leaking the info just hinder things on many levels and some info might or might not be even true. Public and our audience can wait few more days for factual and confirmed information.

It is alarming that someone came to you saying that they saw leaked name on Websleuths. There is reason why it is against Websleuths rules to post rumours here (not you).

I have alerted mods to delete the name from this thread untill information is official. Info inside of posted links are ok though.


Yea... I definitely would not post it on the unidentified page until we know for sure. I only wish they had not said anything at all until they were prepared to release her name. Unless what they're trying to do it create some discussion .... you never know why investigators do what they do sometimes I guess. Thank you so much for responding. I agree we to be careful about naming anyone in a case like this. I hate there have been so many names thrown around as suspects , sometimes causing a great deal of harm to someone when it's nothing more than someone's speculation.
 
Long Island serial killer case: Remains of Gilgo Beach victim identified - CBS News

Authorities investigating the long-running mystery of skeletal remains strewn along a suburban New York beach highway said they have identified the remains of one of the women using DNA technology. Newspapers have dubbed the elusive culprit the "Long Island Serial Killer," as documented on CBS' "48 Hours."

Suffolk County police said Friday they would soon post information about the woman, known as "Jane Doe No. 6," to a website the department created about the case. Police officials declined to provide more specific information about when the announcement would be made.
 
What are they waiting for? So much corruption in the SCPD the gap between announcing that she has been identified and releasing what her name is seems strange and calculated.
I’m not too sure their reasoning for waiting to share the identity. I really don’t understand why they made an announcement that they would share her identity at a later date & even shared that they would do so on a specific site, but then wouldn’t comment on when that would be.
 

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