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MimosaMornings said:
Sununu puts indoor hockey, skating on ice for two weeks

“The governor’s decision received mixed reaction on social media.

“My kids are forced to stay home from school as a direct result. They don’t play hockey but a kiddo who did was on their bus... now we’re home schooling for 2 weeks,” Kristen Baker Milks posted on Facebook.

Nicole Sullivan said it was a shame.

“This just took away a small slice of normalcy for so many kids in this state. I am so sad for the kids and their programs who followed the rules. My son dresses in the parking lot or at home, wears a mask on and off ice, we fill out an info form every time anyone enters the rink, but here we are because a few people got greedy and couldn’t follow the rules,” Sullivan posted. “Shame on those people for robbing our children of a sport that they love. I truly hope this only lasts two weeks and our kids can return to the ice.”

Laura Condon of Bedford said the fear is overblown.

“Yet no one is actually sick. Enough with the hysteria. Let these youths get back to life and living,” she posted.”

Youth ice hockey leagues aren’t following state coronavirus guidelines
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Lauren doesn't know or understand the longterm consequences, even for kids. I suppose she wants large numbers of kids to get it - but if that happens, some of those kids who are super-healthy right now...will not be.

And hopefully parents don't want those consequences for their kids. Seems like some are playing Russian roulette with their kids' health though.

"Actually sick, " to Lauren, doesn't include "sick enough to infect others."
 
CharlestonGal said:
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Coronavirus update: Global COVID-19 cases top 39 million as trial of promising therapy finds it does not stop patients dying

The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus illness COVID-19 world-wide climbed above 39 million on Friday, as a clinical trial found one therapy believed to be promising as a treatment to have no effect on mortality in hospitalized patients.

The trial, conducted by the World Health Organization, found that Gilead Sciences Inc.’s GILD, -1.52% remdesivir, as well as hydroxychloroquine, and AbbVie’s ABBV, +1.22% lopinavir/ritonavir and interferon had “little or no effect” on overall mortality, ventilation, and length of hospital stay among 11,330 participating patients.
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Dr. Seheult spoke to Remdesivir on today's 15 minute video

Professor Roger Seheult, MD explains the largest study to date on Remdesivir that casts doubt on its effectiveness as a treatment for COVID-19. The WHO SOLIDARITY trial data was released on October 15, 2020 and included 11,266 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 and evaluated remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir/ritonavir, and interferon. None of the medications studied showed a statistically significant benefit (This video was recorded on October 15, 2020).


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764
Remdesivir for the Treatment of Covid-19 — Final Report

“Solidarity” clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments
UPDATE: Solidarity Trial reports interim results
Repurposed antiviral drugs for COVID-19; interim WHO SOLIDARITY trial results
 
How long will it take for the general public to be vaccinated after a vaccine is approved?
It is not clear at this point in time when a vaccine for the general public will be available, but a reasonable guess may be at least six months to one year after approval.
The timeline depends on how rapidly vaccine doses can be produced and distributed.

How long will protection last following vaccination?
We do not know how long protection will last following vaccination but it will be critically important to measure long-term protection (at least two years) in the phase 3 trials and in other groups prioritized for early vaccination. We are still learning about the duration of protection following infection with SARS-CoV-2 and it is too early to tell how long protection will last.

Will we still need to wear masks and practice physical distancing once a vaccine is available?
We will still need to wear masks and practice physical distancing until a large proportion of the population is vaccinated and we are sure the vaccine provides long-term protection. Initially, we will not have enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone who wants the vaccine and the virus will still be transmitted.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
 
Coronaspeak has gone viral, and the English language may never be the same

This weekend, I’m having quarantinis with my quaranteam. It will be nice to be together in person, since we all have Zoom fatigue. We’ll meet outdoors, so no need for PPE, but we’ll still social distance. After all, we aren’t covidiots and we sure don’t want a second wave. If we have to lock down to flatten the curve again, it would be a coronapocalypse.

A year ago, that paragraph would have been unintelligible. Now, it’s as clear as a Plexiglas shield.

The eight-month-old pandemic has had such a huge impact on the English language that editors of the venerable Oxford English Dictionary have so far issued two special updates to document it. The Canadian government has compiled a pandemic glossary, from antigen to zoonosis. And King’s College London slang specialist Tony Thorne has a Lockdown Lexicon.

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dixiegirl1035 said:
Dr. Seheult spoke to Remdesivir on today's 15 minute video

Professor Roger Seheult, MD explains the largest study to date on Remdesivir that casts doubt on its effectiveness as a treatment for COVID-19. The WHO SOLIDARITY trial data was released on October 15, 2020 and included 11,266 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 and evaluated remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir/ritonavir, and interferon. None of the medications studied showed a statistically significant benefit (This video was recorded on October 15, 2020).


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764
Remdesivir for the Treatment of Covid-19 — Final Report

“Solidarity” clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments
UPDATE: Solidarity Trial reports interim results
Repurposed antiviral drugs for COVID-19; interim WHO SOLIDARITY trial results
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Given the experience with hydroxychloroquine and the lengthy struggle some people had to accept that the drug wasn't going to aid in the treatment of CoVid, will we see the same resistance to research results surrounding Remdesivir?

What will be done with the world's supply stockpiled in the hopes that this was an effective treatment?
 
SouthAussie said:
How long will it take for the general public to be vaccinated after a vaccine is approved?
It is not clear at this point in time when a vaccine for the general public will be available, but a reasonable guess may be at least six months to one year after approval.
The timeline depends on how rapidly vaccine doses can be produced and distributed.

How long will protection last following vaccination?
We do not know how long protection will last following vaccination but it will be critically important to measure long-term protection (at least two years) in the phase 3 trials and in other groups prioritized for early vaccination. We are still learning about the duration of protection following infection with SARS-CoV-2 and it is too early to tell how long protection will last.

Will we still need to wear masks and practice physical distancing once a vaccine is available?
We will still need to wear masks and practice physical distancing until a large proportion of the population is vaccinated and we are sure the vaccine provides long-term protection. Initially, we will not have enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone who wants the vaccine and the virus will still be transmitted.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
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We will be well into 2022 before the population in the US is vaccinated. We've only managed to test 1/3 of the population in the last 10 months (and that includes people who have been tested more than once). Not to mention that at this time only 21% of Americans say they will get vaccinated. It's pretty clear that the American population is not on board with this rush to vaccine business. Even if it's logistically possible. Which it is not.

U.S. Public Now Divided Over Whether To Get COVID-19 Vaccine

United States Coronavirus: 8,288,278 Cases and 223,644 Deaths - Worldometer
 
10ofRods said:
I see those figures! I'm gobsmacked.

Illinois...is a fairly literate place. People surely know what CoVid is. No one I know still lives there though, they've all moved to one of the coasts.

The US military is...well, embarrassing, what with their infections of other nation's armed forces. Tacky, not tactical.

Anyway, the situation in Illinois is very concerning. With about 30% of the population of California, it has about twice as many cases.

(California has managed to get more recorded cases today - but Illinois and other states have more per capita; California's deaths are roughly the same as Illinois's)

Georgia surpasses both states in cases per capita for today. George has 1/4th the population of California - and more deaths).
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Outside of Chicago, Illinois is all cornfields and a lot of folks are being stubborn about not wearing masks in my area. Small errands stress me out around here.

I have no idea how Chicago or the college towns are doing in terms of masks.
 
CharlestonGal said:
I hear you. But would you admit your mother or father to a nursing home that could not provide something so simple as a vaccination? That is completely unacceptable, in my view. Our elders deserve much better than that. It's appalling, honestly. jmo
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Just to jump off your post about this topic. I’m a senior citizen who has been paying for long term care insurance for over 10 years. I don’t have extended family to help me out if necessary. I don’t feel I have a choice but to continue paying for this policy. But since COVID I feel I’m signing my death warrant by going into a nursing home. Hopefully I won’t have to go into long term care anytime soon but I’m sure I’m not the only senior citizen who struggles with this dilemma.
 
Okay...so...the US just keeps on with the high number of new cases, just when I thought we were on plateau.

We're at close to 72,000 cases today. We are still averaging close to 1000 deaths per day (but it's a smaller percentage as a percentage of new cases from a month ago).
 
Red Zone - time to start in person school. o_O
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Weekly governors' report shows NC back in the 'red zone' for COVID-19 cases

“In the month of October, North Carolina health leaders have repeatedly said the state's COVID-19 metrics are trending in the wrong direction.

This week, an updated report for governors from the White House Coronavirus Task Force, obtained by ABC News, emphasized that point, moving North Carolina back into the "red zone" for COVID-19 cases, meaning the state reported more than 100 cases per 100,000 people in the week from October 3 to October 9.

The report classifies the "zones" as follows:

  • "Red zone": More than 100 new cases per 100,000 people, and more than 10.1% of tests returning positive.
  • "Orange zone": Between 51 and 100 new cases per 100,000 people, and between 8 and 10% tests returning positive.
  • "Yellow zone": Between 10 and 50 new cases per 100,000 people and between 5 and 7.9% of tests returning positive.
  • "Green zone": Fewer than 10 new cases per 100,000 people and fewer than 5% of tests returning positive.
With 122 cases per 100,000 people last week, North Carolina exceeded the national average of 100 cases per 100,000 people and ranks No. 23 in the country for most COVID-19 cases.”

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article245804120.html

“North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper announced Thursday that school districts can reopen elementary schools for full-time, daily, in-person instruction starting Oct. 5.”

NC Teacher: It's Way Too Soon for NC to Be Declaring 'Mission Accomplished'

“More school districts around the state are opening school buildings for in-person instruction but this is being done in spite of the still uncontrolled spread of COVID-19 and poor conditions of many school buildings.”

“Given the concern for our state’s “red zone” status and need to prevent spread of the virus, it is confusing to educators when, one week later, NC Gov. Roy Cooper announced local school districts could open classrooms for elementary school children with minimal social distancing requirements.”

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Mecklenburg County, North Carolina
Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools
The Charlotte-Mecklenburg school board has voted to allow students to return to school buildings under a hybrid plan starting with Pre-K students.

Under the new plan, Pre-K students will return to school buildings first and would report to school five days per week. All other students would be phased-in by grade level and report to school for one week, then return to remote learning for two weeks.

  • Phase 1: Pre-K would return October 12
  • Phase 2: K-5 would return November 2
  • Phase 3: 6-8 would return November 23
  • Phase 4: High School would return December 14
 
White House: Tennessee mask mandate 'must be implemented' — ABC News

“The White House quietly told Tennessee early this week that “a statewide mask mandate must be implemented" to curb its growing spread of COVID-19, strong instructions that the White House and governor did not discuss publicly before the report emerged in a records request.”
 
drama_farmer said:
America had the world's best pandemic response plan. Why did it fail?

Interviews with public health experts and reviews of studies by government agencies, watchdog groups and scientists reveal a cascade of blunders.
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Thank you for posting this article. I have only just had the time to read it. It is a very telling article, and really should be read by everyone in the future - to avoid making the same mistakes. IMO


"America received the lowest possible score for public confidence in government; low rankings among the index’s 60 high-income countries for doctors per capita (38th) and hospital beds per capita (40th); and a dismal rating for access to health care — 175th out of 195 countries."

"It's not that the index measured anything inappropriately, it's that none of it was acted on," said Joe Smyser, CEO of the national health care nonprofit Public Good Projects. "I don't think we've ever failed on this scale. The level of failure is almost inconceivable."

"When Americans most needed to pull together, they slipped deeper into bitter polarization."
 
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10ofRods said:
Yeah, that's true here in California as well. There have been no lockdowns. Not Chinese style or even close. Locking the borders isn't possible for US states, that would take federal policy. Nor are our national borders closed. News yesterday stated that Canadians can still fly into the US (not sure they can go home without quarantine.) Certainly, trucks from Mexico are still delivering food to the US. People from the US are still vacationing in Mexico (whose CoVid containment methods and stats aren't exactly ones to envy).

The US has never locked down. China did lock down. Sweden took fewer mitigation measures than most US states, but people still voluntarily stayed home (which is the opposite a lockdown). Public education worked in Sweden. It doesn't work in the US. For one reason, scientific literacy in the US, as measured by people who study such things, is at the bottom of the barrel for the Western post-industrial world. And, even within our states, the rates of CoVid closely parallel our measures of scientific literacy (and numeracy as well).

Populations with the least education are more likely to have a serious course of CoVid in the US (many reasons, one of which is that many essential workers are in that category, and their lives don't lend themselves readily to studying science or reading CoVid stats every day - or ever).
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I’m hypothesizing that MSM in Sweden probably didn’t try to spin or cover up the facts. Can anyone confirm or refute?

I’ve talked to a scary number of people this week currently under the impression the worst of the virus is well behind us. They had no idea that cases are skyrocketing. Most of them are smart people, but they aren’t actively digging for info.
 
Trino said:
Minnesota and Rallies

The Minnesota Department of Health said it has so far traced 20 cases of Covid-19 back to a rally held by President Trump in Bemidji last month, or to related events.

Of the 20 cases, 16 are among people who attended the rally, including two who are now hospitalized. Four people said they participated in counter-protests that same day, the state department of health told CNN. The state is describing it as an “outbreak.”

Minnesota traces outbreak of 20 Covid-19 cases to September Trump rally events
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So 16 were from the rally not 20 as misleading headline states.
 
CharlestonGal said:
We will be well into 2022 before the population in the US is vaccinated. We've only managed to test 1/3 of the population in the last 10 months (and that includes people who have been tested more than once). Not to mention that at this time only 21% of Americans say they will get vaccinated. It's pretty clear that the American population is not on board with this rush to vaccine business. Even if it's logistically possible. Which it is not.
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I agree that it will probably be 2022, but there are other steps that could be taken in tandem with the launch of vaccine, which could help minimize spread and the extent of an outbreak. And there are ways to improve on the availability throughout 2021 to get the vaccine to as many people as possible.

That 21% figure is Now, with the reality that is October 2020. That too will change once there is confidence an effective vaccine or vaccines exist, and through a public relations push to encourage those able to get the vaccine, to get it.

While we may be living with the virus through 2021, I feel like comparing 2021 to 2020 will be like comparing Day to Night in terms of how we're managing the crisis.
 
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