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Tides and witnesses wouldn't be much of a problem if someone took her on a boat ride.
MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2
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I just saw this. The skull fragment is probably male, so probably not Sandra. https://dartmouth.theweektoday.com/...1-5rb3KZef2_IXcJkjxXsQKtMWRf4lZr7qD2CUNzIW-zA
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Sandra's disappearance will be featured on the February 15th upcoming episode of the podcast The Vanished. According to Sandra's official "missing" page, more than one family member participated in the podcast and it will include the most up to date information in regards to the disappearance.
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Sandra Crispo, 54, moved from Quincy, Massachusetts to Hanson, Massachusetts to be closer to her grandchildren. Three months later, she vanished. Sandra was last seen on Wednesday, August 7, 2019, after dropping her car off at the mechanic to be repaired. Security footage shows Sandra getting out of the car and going into a Cumberland Farms to buy cigarettes. A few days later, her daughter went to drop the kids off at Sandra’s home, but no one was there. The back door was unlocked and her mother’s shoes and purse were gone. The lights were on and a watermelon was on the table, cut up, ready to be eaten. The Hanson Police Department has no reason to believe any foul play is involved, but are actively investigating and have called in the Massachusetts State Police to assist. Sandra is described as 5’9” tall, with hazel eyes and brown hair. If anyone sees someone matching Sandra’s description or has any information on her whereabouts, they are urged to contact the Hanson Police Department at (781) 293-4625.
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The Vanished - Episode 269: Sandra Crispo
Podcast on Sandra was released today (The Vanished, episode "Sandra Crispo."
A lot of very interesting information released in this, IMO. The podcast features interviews with Sandra's daughter, son in law, cousin, and longtime friend.
There is a great deal to unpack here. I will summarize some of it. All of this is taken directly from statements in the podcast and none of it is my comments or interpretation.
New information that has not previously been released included the following:
Sandra had always been a very quiet, homebody type of person who kept her circle of friends very small (it had perhaps become even smaller in recent years). She was not a materialistic type of person. She had never cared about careers, money, or possessions. Had never had a cell phone, computer, or debit card.
When her kids were little, she worked on the commercial fishing boat run by her then-husband (for everyone wondering what type of career she had in the past).
Sandra has been divorced for over 15 years. Her divorce was and remained amicable. After her divorce, she moved in with her father and lived with him for many years until his death.
The family states that Sandra had dealt with multiple bouts of depression over the years. When her father died, she suffered depression and her adult children decided it was not in her best interest to live alone anymore. At this point they moved her to her own house in Hanson, MA. Sandra's son in law stated that "she was dependent on others and liked to be taken care of by others." When Sandra's family moved her to Hanson, they took care of every detail. They got her a bank account of her own and put money in it for her. For the first time, she had her own space and own bank account that was not managed by a husband or a father.
As we have heard, Sandra did not have a cell phone. A new piece of information in the podcast was that it was not unusual for Sandra to not answer her landline either. This is why, according to her family, that when she didn't answer all day on Thursday it was not necessarily out of character. This information is a bit contrary to what we've heard in other interviews. LM explained that this particular time she had a sense of foreboding about Sandra not answering but her husband reminded her that oft Sandra didn't answer if she was probably sleeping, outside (perhaps smoking?), or in his words, "in a mood where she didn't want to talk to somebody."
LM had recently started a new job in a new department at work and on the Friday that Sandra was discovered to be missing, she had to be at a required orientation. She arrived at Sandra's house earlier than usual - partly because of the orientation, partly because she suspected something was wrong. The front door was locked, the lights were all on in the house and the air conditioner was on. The back door was unlocked. The normally hyper dog was in the house but was cowering and not moving out of his spot in a chair. LM couldn't stay to investigate because of work so she quickly called Sandra's younger sister, L, who Sandra was very close to. L said she did not know where Sandra was but agreed to take the children so LM could get to work.
LM was in communication with her husband and they agreed that as soon as he was off of work (it would be much sooner than LM could get away) he would go to the house and search. In the meantime, Sandra's sister, L, called Sandra's other very close friend T., who is a cousin to Sandra. This cousin was supposed to have Sandra over on Wednesday to spend the night. Sandra was supposed to call this cousin to arrange to be picked up because the car was in the shop. However, Sandra never got back to her about coming to pick her up and so T assumed Sandra had changed her plans and did not follow up with her. Sandra's last known call was to T at 5:30 pm on Wednesday.
When LM's husband arrived at the house and Sandra was still missing, he had a horrible feeling. He knew something was terribly wrong and they had to act fast. He immediately made a police report. Hanson police treated this very seriously. They classified Sandra as a Tier 1 missing person, which, LM states twice in the episode, is the same level of activity as if a child has gone missing. Cadaver dogs were used in the searches. None of the neighbors who were questioned remembered seeing her walking that day or being picked up by anyone.
LM's husband states that his initial belief was that Sandra had met a neighbor or some other local resident who decided that it would be a good idea to rob a woman who was living alone. He says he thought she might have said or done something that led a local to believe she had money.
By day 3 or 4 of the search, LM had come to the conclusion that her mother was dead. She even told the detectives that they would be looking for a body. She felt unheard by LE because they were more optimistic at that point that Sandra would turn up. After 52 days into the investigation, she went to her mother's house and went over it with a fine tooth comb. She admits that she was desperate at that point for the investigation to be escalated so she was hoping to find something that indicated foul play. She had originally noticed nothing in the house that looked like a struggle, everything could be explained away by the fact that Sandra had not fully unpacked yet from moving. However, there are three potentially significant things: 1. The bed slats seemed like they were shifted underneath the mattress, as if the mattress had recently been lifted up. 2. A fitted sheet that LM bought for Sandra appears to be missing and 3. there is something else that LM saw on very close inspection (hands and knees) that led her to think forensics needed to be done. She won't say what this is due to the investigation.
LM escalated the disappearance to the Plymouth County DA's office. At this point the MA State police took over the investigation. Forensics searched the house but nothing has been revealed about what they might have found or tested.
Sandra's family installed a RING camera on her house because it was standing empty. One day a car pulled up and a woman who disguised herself with a hoodie placed an item on the front stoop. LM's husband rushed over to retrieve whatever was left. It was a note accusing a local man who had gotten out of prison shortly before Sandra disappeared. The note alleged that the two knew each other. Police investigated and found nothing to corroborate the information.
LM and her husband make the following significant point. Their friends and the community have been amazing. Total strangers have dropped everything to form search parties, hang flyers, make posters, bumper stickers and more. People they don't even know have kayaked through water ways and walked through bogs helping look for Sandra. However, some people close to Sandra were quiet. They were not asking when search party dates would take place. They had no interest in updates from the police. LM and her husband say they have no evidence against 'anyone but this behavior doesn't sit right with them. "Looking at who helps and who doesn't help makes you wonder."
The podcast goes briefly into the divide in Sandra's family that came about upon her father's death. Sandra's siblings were divided over the father's will and how assets should be split up. It was reiterated that Sandra herself had no interest in material things. She didn't want to fight with siblings, she only wanted to grieve her father. "There were family members who could only focus on what they should have received." These family members believed Sandra disappeared over money. The podcast reached out to Sandra's siblings and only one of them responded, but to say that she doesn't want to be involved.
LM's thoughts have shifted over time. She initially believed a stranger had randomly targeted her mother. Now she believes this was not a random crime. She realized that Sandra's siblings are not acting the way they should be. There are other "bizarre things" the siblings are alleged to have done but the podcast is not able to go into them based on the pending investigation.
LM struggled over what to do with the house. She didn't like it being empty but wanted to keep it for her mom. Eventually another family member on her husband's side moved into the house. The police gave their blessing for this to happen.
LM states that life doesn't stop and she has to heal but will never stop advocating for her mom and getting the story out there. She actually no longer cares about the why or who but only where her mother may be.
The podcast ends with the information that while Sandra is still classified as a "missing person," police do not have the ability to make people talk who are so far uncooperative.
A lot of very interesting information released in this, IMO. The podcast features interviews with Sandra's daughter, son in law, cousin, and longtime friend.
There is a great deal to unpack here. I will summarize some of it. All of this is taken directly from statements in the podcast and none of it is my comments or interpretation.
New information that has not previously been released included the following:
Sandra had always been a very quiet, homebody type of person who kept her circle of friends very small (it had perhaps become even smaller in recent years). She was not a materialistic type of person. She had never cared about careers, money, or possessions. Had never had a cell phone, computer, or debit card.
When her kids were little, she worked on the commercial fishing boat run by her then-husband (for everyone wondering what type of career she had in the past).
Sandra has been divorced for over 15 years. Her divorce was and remained amicable. After her divorce, she moved in with her father and lived with him for many years until his death.
The family states that Sandra had dealt with multiple bouts of depression over the years. When her father died, she suffered depression and her adult children decided it was not in her best interest to live alone anymore. At this point they moved her to her own house in Hanson, MA. Sandra's son in law stated that "she was dependent on others and liked to be taken care of by others." When Sandra's family moved her to Hanson, they took care of every detail. They got her a bank account of her own and put money in it for her. For the first time, she had her own space and own bank account that was not managed by a husband or a father.
As we have heard, Sandra did not have a cell phone. A new piece of information in the podcast was that it was not unusual for Sandra to not answer her landline either. This is why, according to her family, that when she didn't answer all day on Thursday it was not necessarily out of character. This information is a bit contrary to what we've heard in other interviews. LM explained that this particular time she had a sense of foreboding about Sandra not answering but her husband reminded her that oft Sandra didn't answer if she was probably sleeping, outside (perhaps smoking?), or in his words, "in a mood where she didn't want to talk to somebody."
LM had recently started a new job in a new department at work and on the Friday that Sandra was discovered to be missing, she had to be at a required orientation. She arrived at Sandra's house earlier than usual - partly because of the orientation, partly because she suspected something was wrong. The front door was locked, the lights were all on in the house and the air conditioner was on. The back door was unlocked. The normally hyper dog was in the house but was cowering and not moving out of his spot in a chair. LM couldn't stay to investigate because of work so she quickly called Sandra's younger sister, L, who Sandra was very close to. L said she did not know where Sandra was but agreed to take the children so LM could get to work.
LM was in communication with her husband and they agreed that as soon as he was off of work (it would be much sooner than LM could get away) he would go to the house and search. In the meantime, Sandra's sister, L, called Sandra's other very close friend T., who is a cousin to Sandra. This cousin was supposed to have Sandra over on Wednesday to spend the night. Sandra was supposed to call this cousin to arrange to be picked up because the car was in the shop. However, Sandra never got back to her about coming to pick her up and so T assumed Sandra had changed her plans and did not follow up with her. Sandra's last known call was to T at 5:30 pm on Wednesday.
When LM's husband arrived at the house and Sandra was still missing, he had a horrible feeling. He knew something was terribly wrong and they had to act fast. He immediately made a police report. Hanson police treated this very seriously. They classified Sandra as a Tier 1 missing person, which, LM states twice in the episode, is the same level of activity as if a child has gone missing. Cadaver dogs were used in the searches. None of the neighbors who were questioned remembered seeing her walking that day or being picked up by anyone.
LM's husband states that his initial belief was that Sandra had met a neighbor or some other local resident who decided that it would be a good idea to rob a woman who was living alone. He says he thought she might have said or done something that led a local to believe she had money.
By day 3 or 4 of the search, LM had come to the conclusion that her mother was dead. She even told the detectives that they would be looking for a body. She felt unheard by LE because they were more optimistic at that point that Sandra would turn up. After 52 days into the investigation, she went to her mother's house and went over it with a fine tooth comb. She admits that she was desperate at that point for the investigation to be escalated so she was hoping to find something that indicated foul play. She had originally noticed nothing in the house that looked like a struggle, everything could be explained away by the fact that Sandra had not fully unpacked yet from moving. However, there are three potentially significant things: 1. The bed slats seemed like they were shifted underneath the mattress, as if the mattress had recently been lifted up. 2. A fitted sheet that LM bought for Sandra appears to be missing and 3. there is something else that LM saw on very close inspection (hands and knees) that led her to think forensics needed to be done. She won't say what this is due to the investigation.
LM escalated the disappearance to the Plymouth County DA's office. At this point the MA State police took over the investigation. Forensics searched the house but nothing has been revealed about what they might have found or tested.
Sandra's family installed a RING camera on her house because it was standing empty. One day a car pulled up and a woman who disguised herself with a hoodie placed an item on the front stoop. LM's husband rushed over to retrieve whatever was left. It was a note accusing a local man who had gotten out of prison shortly before Sandra disappeared. The note alleged that the two knew each other. Police investigated and found nothing to corroborate the information.
LM and her husband make the following significant point. Their friends and the community have been amazing. Total strangers have dropped everything to form search parties, hang flyers, make posters, bumper stickers and more. People they don't even know have kayaked through water ways and walked through bogs helping look for Sandra. However, some people close to Sandra were quiet. They were not asking when search party dates would take place. They had no interest in updates from the police. LM and her husband say they have no evidence against 'anyone but this behavior doesn't sit right with them. "Looking at who helps and who doesn't help makes you wonder."
The podcast goes briefly into the divide in Sandra's family that came about upon her father's death. Sandra's siblings were divided over the father's will and how assets should be split up. It was reiterated that Sandra herself had no interest in material things. She didn't want to fight with siblings, she only wanted to grieve her father. "There were family members who could only focus on what they should have received." These family members believed Sandra disappeared over money. The podcast reached out to Sandra's siblings and only one of them responded, but to say that she doesn't want to be involved.
LM's thoughts have shifted over time. She initially believed a stranger had randomly targeted her mother. Now she believes this was not a random crime. She realized that Sandra's siblings are not acting the way they should be. There are other "bizarre things" the siblings are alleged to have done but the podcast is not able to go into them based on the pending investigation.
LM struggled over what to do with the house. She didn't like it being empty but wanted to keep it for her mom. Eventually another family member on her husband's side moved into the house. The police gave their blessing for this to happen.
LM states that life doesn't stop and she has to heal but will never stop advocating for her mom and getting the story out there. She actually no longer cares about the why or who but only where her mother may be.
The podcast ends with the information that while Sandra is still classified as a "missing person," police do not have the ability to make people talk who are so far uncooperative.
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Thanks for spending so much time summarizing that for us. Hopefully the podcast will create some results.
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The Vanished - Episode 269: Sandra Crispo
"The normally hyper dog was in the house but was cowering and not moving out of his spot in a chair. "
What would have occurred that her dog would have done a 180 degree change in his behavior? That is intriguing to me.
"The normally hyper dog was in the house but was cowering and not moving out of his spot in a chair. "
What would have occurred that her dog would have done a 180 degree change in his behavior? That is intriguing to me.
So Sandra The Homebody Grandma WAS planning on going out Wednesday night? I'm no detective, but if this is true, I'd focus heavily on this little possible factoid. Had Sandra mentioned this to her daughter or SIL? Did police happen to find an overnight bag? Was her toothbrush in the bathroom? If she spoke to her friend/cousin at 5:30 did they actually firm up plans for just a little later? Lots of questions here, as it sounds like that may have been the last time anyone is known to have spoken to Sandra.
As for Dad or long-divorced husband handling things for her before she moved to Hanson, I'll just point out that Dad died about a year and a half before she moved to Hanson. A much more isolated area.
I'm not sure what to make of the rest right now. Thanks so much for the summary.
As for Dad or long-divorced husband handling things for her before she moved to Hanson, I'll just point out that Dad died about a year and a half before she moved to Hanson. A much more isolated area.
I'm not sure what to make of the rest right now. Thanks so much for the summary.
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I am with you, so SIL left work late on the the 7th to pick up Sandra and get the vehicle to mechanic what actual time was this? What time does the mechanic shop close? Did we have actual time stamp on the Cumberland farms video of Sandra buying cigarettes? I ask because if the last call was 5:30 was this call BEFORE she left to drop off her car, T said she never heard back from Sandra after she was to drop her car off. It is strange that T wouldn’t call her back.
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That's some sad information relayed from the podcast.
I hope there will be justice if she was victimized.
I hope there will be justice if she was victimized.
Good questions. I'm sure there were incoming calls from T, LM, and others that went unanswered. It does sound like maybe the 5:30 pm call was before the mechanic but that's MOO.
In this podcast, it was mentioned by family that the mechanic was both a neighbor and a friend of the LM family. Sandra did not enter the shop. She stayed in the SIL's truck with the kids while he went inside and explained everything that needed to be done. Some posters here have asked why the mechanic called LM instead of Sandra. Here's our answer. They were handling the car repairs for her. LM even says in this podcast that she told the mechanic to just go ahead and fix whatever he saw wrong with the car (if he came across issues in addition to what he agreed to fix) because "she will never take the responsibility to bring it in herself." She being Sandra. I think the mechanic shop angle discussed here so many times is a dead end. I don't think the answers to her disappearance lie in that direction. (Not suggesting you were implying that @Dotrat, just speaking in general).
I do think that this given timeline makes it clear that whatever happened, occurred Wednesday night. Again JMO. But it fits with the clothes she wore that day being missing, all the lights on, and the diapers still in the kitchen trash instead of outside.
I do wish we knew if anyone else in Sandra's life was aware that the car would be gone. More importantly, was there anyone who knew she planned to be gone all night at T's?
Odd how the cousin just dropped that little bombshell without any follow up. I want to ask her a ton of questions about their plans. How solid were the plans? Did Sandra visit often? What were they planning on doing? Was it like Sandra to just ghost her cousin? What time did she last speak to Sandra about the planned visit? Was she at all concerned when she didn't hear back from Sandra? Would she have ever assumed that Sandra may have gotten a "better" invitation for Wednesday night? Why, and from whom might an offer have come? Why didn't she call her later - like 7 or 8 - just to verify their plans were off and check in?
I agree with Sandra's daughter that this was not random, but I've never believed it was. Sandra left the house sometime Wednesday late afternoon or evening in the same clothes she wore when she went to the mechanics. And perhaps most importantly, she left with her purse and shoes. This tells us the house was probably not a crime scene (the cops never thought it was), and Sandra either walked off (unlikely, given the lack of walkability outside of the neighborhood itself) or was driven off, likely with someone she knew.
ID that person, and you're more than half way to solving the mystery.
The podcast sure made it sound as if it was a frequent occurrence for Sandra to stay with her cousin. They apparently had a special bond that goes back to their mothers (who were twin sisters). All according to family interviews in that podcast.
However, there were also indications that Sandra was the type of person who sometimes needed her space and may, yes, have ghosted people. See the SIL's comments about her not answering the phone if she was just in a mood where she didn't want to talk.
I did hear that. Although I wonder if that's just something we're hearing now to perhaps justify why they didn't check in on her. Daughter also said multiple times that she had a bad feeling, was sure something was terribly wrong before Friday, and that people have questioned her a lot about not acting upon this when she lived a few miles away. That's why I'd have liked to hear some more from the cousin about Sandra's habits and tendencies.
I feel like if you compare the earlier interview in the previous podcast with this one, some information had been toned up and some toned down. For example, in the previous podcast about this case, the family stated Sandra had no history of mental illness. In this one, we were told she suffered episodes of depression throughout her life and in fact was so depressed after the death of her father that the family decided it was no longer a good fit for her to live there/alone.
In the same way we were told in the first podcast that she was a loving grandma whose grandchildren were her life; that narrative hasn't really changed in this new one except we are also told that on her days off it was not unusual for her to not answer her phone and that she needed her space.
For me, if you set aside all the "bizarre," as the family called them, actions of certain people (I think most of us posting here were already aware of what some of those were), the one thing this podcast did was bring back to my mind the possibility of self harm.
I'm certainly not an expert in suicide but one thing I do know is that it's a fallacy to say, this person had short term (or long term) plans for the future, therefore it's impossible that they made a decision to harm themselves.
I think this podcast brought home the fact that there was conflict in the extended family and perhaps a great deal of stress placed upon Sandra. The extended family may feel a measure of blame for whatever happened based on the poor relationship they fostered before she disappeared, not necessarily because of any direct action they took against her. Obviously we are only hearing one take on what has happened so I'm just throwing out other ideas/possibilities here.
Agree that she must have been distressed. Bottom line, she ended up with the family home because she co-owned the house with her dad. It's possible her siblings didn't know this until after his death, and were disappointed/angry not to get a share. So she may been saddened over fractured relationships, and the fact that her father favored her, which is how she afforded her little house. Of course, this is not an uncommon situation at all and I'd seriously question any implication that she was murdered over it by near-elderly people. Self-harm is always a possibility, but it's never fit with the fact pattern for me. She had no car so she couldn't have gone far and her body surely would have turned up very quickly.
I also found it interesting that there has been a change in the story regarding who took care of whom back in Quincy. We were first told (or it was directly implied) that she took care of her father. Now we're told he actually took care of her, and hapless and needy Sandra couldn't function on her own after he died. But she was not so needy and helpless that she didn't like being alone a lot of the time and often avoided people who were trying to contact her.
Lots of contradictions to unpack here.
To me it says the dog was afraid of something, possibly after experiencing an unpleasant situation.
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