UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 #4 *Arrests*

[jashrema]

Scotland Yard says fact that arrested man is a serving Metropolitan Police officer 'is shocking and deeply disturbing'

Sarah Everard: Police officer arrested in Kent in connection with her disappearance

 

[Gigi3]

Statistics indicate that if this officer is involved, then he will have most likely been known to SE. Possibly he was a former obsessive partner who was stalking her or an infatuated police officer who had come into contact with her through his work.

Maybe unlawful use of police computer systems to search for her by name, prior to her going missing, was a line of enquiry which led to his arrest.

I agree. Perhaps, she only knew of him on the peripheral, and he became obsessed with her?

I think back to the Mollie Tibbett’s case. The perp stalked her that day while she was out jogging. She knew of him, but not actually friends. He quickly assaulted her in broad daylight and threw her in his trunk only to dispose of her in a cornfield. It was horrific.

Would there have been time for this perp to do the same?

 

[Le Moi]

In the sense that he could have intended to do one criminal thing, and the situation escalated beyond what he had premeditated.

In this case, it must have escalated very quickly indeed. The last time her phone pinged the network would have occurred almost immediately after SE interacted with the PO (and in the area of the Clarence Avenue cell tower). It seems too coincidental that SE's phone ran out of battery at the exact moment she met the PO.

 

[Thebutlerdiditagain]

But the poster’s post didn’t indicate that, to me at least. The opposite in fact, when mooting that someone could somehow access your number via Twitter. Maybe the officer could convince Twitter itself to give out a customer’s number for a good reason, but I’m not convinced of that. Something doesn’t add up with either the post itself or the caller’s claim to the poster that the caller got their number from Twitter (unless, of course, there is a separate publicly accessible tweet they once made with their number in it for whatever reason that the caller saw once alerted to the fact the user tweeted the Met with the camera info).

In summary, I can’t see how the poster didn’t already know they’d given their contact no. when reporting to the Met initially and, if they didn’t therefore, I can’t buy that Twitter would independently give out their number to the caller. So did the call happen...?

I now leaning towards no call ever happened as he did get carried away with how he felt afterwards.

 

[LadyL]

But the poster’s post didn’t indicate that, to me at least. The opposite in fact, when mooting that someone could somehow access your number via Twitter. Maybe the officer could convince Twitter itself to give out a customer’s number for a good reason, but I’m not convinced of that. Something doesn’t add up with either the post itself or the caller’s claim to the poster that the caller got their number from Twitter (unless, of course, there is a separate publicly accessible tweet they once made with their number in it for whatever reason that the caller saw once alerted to the fact the user tweeted the Met with the camera info).

In summary, I can’t see how the poster didn’t already know they’d given their contact no. when reporting to the Met initially and, if they didn’t therefore, I can’t buy that Twitter would independently give out their number to the caller. So did the call happen...?

I don't think the caller claimed to have gotten the poster's number from Twitter.

 

[ludakristen]

I agree. Perhaps, she only knew of him on the peripheral, and he became obsessed with her?

I think back to the Mollie Tibbett’s case. The perp stalked her that day while she was out jogging. She knew of him, but not actually friends. He quickly assaulted her in broad daylight and threw her in his trunk only to dispose of her in a cornfield. It was horrific.

Would there have been time for this perp to do the same?

I thought of Mollie Tibbetts on this one, too, earlier today.

 

[Beans]

No offence to the poster who told the story about Twitter and the police phone call but I’m sceptical that it happened exactly the way described. I saw an exchange on Twitter that looked very much like the one mentioned but it was all quite normal. Plus the only thing I’ve ever heard about police getting info from Twitter is that it’s a massive pain in the neck and takes time. I can’t see them handing over a number like that, not in that situation, and not in the space of a few hours or whatever it was. Perhaps just an awkwardly described tale.

 

[serenelyso]

It’s a dark road at night, not well lit at all, and friends who still live in the area were telling me how eerily deserted the streets have continued to be. That location is right on the edge of an absolutely enormous council estate (housing project). Some potential witnesses near there will avoid police always.

So if it was an RTA, it’s not deliberate, he has to make an instant decision. He could easily make the wrong decision, pull over into the drive in the shadow of the trees, pick her up, drive off with her, come back later with some Jerry cans of water. Or send someone else. He would be acting fast without much time to think. It’s darker than most roads, it’s quieter than it usually is and lots of the locals avoid tangling with police, or each other’s business.

I reckon he was in with a chance of there being no witnesses coming forward.

It could equally be another scenario all together.

Hi,

Just signed up; I lived on Poynders Gardens (the estate) as a student for a few years. I normally don’t check the news or read forums but I am worried to my stomach about Sarah. It hits so close to home.

Poynders Road is deafeningly busy. I could hear the noise from my living room. Even during lockdown, I’d skip home at all hours, safe in the knowledge that I could see other young people, buses, vans and Deliveroo guys.

So busy that it’s one of the few streets in London that I take out my headphones to cross the street safely.

As for locals, most of the people in my estate were regular families. Mums, kids, dads, elderly ladies. It was one of the safest places I ever lived, and that’s why I am up at almost 3am terrified.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I'm not sure when 'complex' was used by LE to describe the investigation. My feeling is that it meant that SE had disappeared, which was totally out of character and the evidential trail had gone cold.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Twitter will give out numbers if contacted by law enforcement if a mobile is connected to the account ( normally yes as everyone tweets from their phone)

what exactly they need for twitter to release that info varies

 

[jiminy]

Ok, I'm creeped out and going to bed. I fully expect to be 2 threads behind by the time I'm back on but it was good to 'see' you all in real time for once!

 

[Camp_Ben]

I’m thinking more ex boyfriend or friend of a friend. I would not even be surprised at serial offender, the hit and run would be bottom of my list, but that’s only my opinion and that’s what I like about this forum.

It’s the phone being turned off that I don’t get though... if he was an ex or friend, why would SE turn her phone off, or hand her phone over?

 

[Beans]

I'm not sure when 'complex' was used by LE to describe the investigation. My feeling is that it meant that SE had disappeared, which was totally out of character and the evidential trail had gone cold.

Iirc I think it was around the time they announced that the case had been transferred to the Specialist Crime Command team. I guess that would fit.

 

[tedtink]

I'm not sure when 'complex' was used by LE to describe the investigation. My feeling is that it meant that SE had disappeared, which was totally out of character and the evidential trail had gone cold.

7 March 2021


"A Scotland Yard spokesman said the investigation continued to be treated as a missing person's enquiry but due to its "complex nature and concerns for Sarah's welfare", the Met's Specialist Crime Command had now taken the lead."

Sarah Everard: Police investigation into missing marketing executive is dramatically scaled up

 

[GemmaNut]

It’s the phone being turned off that I don’t get though... if he was an ex or friend, why would SE turn her phone off, or hand her phone over?

Has to be force and it has to be all very fast.

 

[dotr]

What type of housing is the Poynders Court housing complex?
Police officer arrested over Sarah Everard disappearance
"Assistant Commissioner Nick Ephgrave said: “The arrest this evening is a serious and significant development. We will continue to work with all speed on this investigation but the fact that the arrested man is a serving Metropolitan Police officer is both shocking and deeply disturbing.

“I understand there will be significant public concern but it is essential that the investigative team are given the time and space to continue their work.”

The Met said a woman had also been arrested at the same location on suspicion of assisting an offender.''

''The search was focused on the Poynders Court housing complex on Poynders Road, and forensics officers could be seen examining the area''

 

[Parmalade]

It’s the phone being turned off that I don’t get though... if he was an ex or friend, why would SE turn her phone off, or hand her phone over?

Not convinced SE did either - could be coincidental battery loss. Or perp obtaining it by force and knowing to turn it off (possibly more likely if PO). Outside option: SE was mugged for her phone (perp discarded sim to prevent blocking) and SE flagged PO to report it and PO attacked opportunistically. Phone perp never reported what they know for fear of being a suspect or charged with theft crime.

 

[Beans]

Twitter will give out numbers if contacted by law enforcement if a mobile is connected to the account ( normally yes as everyone tweets from their phone)

what exactly they need for twitter to release that info varies

Right. And they’d just ask you for it, via DM or whatever. No way they’d get permission straight off the bat to demand release of personal info from Twitter that quickly when the person isn’t even thought to be involved in the crime.

 

[Cyan22]

Hi,

Just signed up; I lived on Poynders Gardens (the estate) as a student for a few years. I normally don’t check the news or read forums but I am worried to my stomach about Sarah. It hits so close to home.

Poynders Road is deafeningly busy. I could hear the noise from my living room. Even during lockdown, I’d skip home at all hours, safe in the knowledge that I could see other young people, buses, vans and Deliveroo guys.

So busy that it’s one of the few streets in London that I take out my headphones to cross the street safely.

As for locals, most of the people in my estate were regular families. Mums, kids, dads, elderly ladies. It was one of the safest places I ever lived, and that’s why I am up at almost 3am terrified.

Hi, I’ve just joined and was JUST about to write the same thing. I’ve lived here for the past 15years and It’s such a busy road and even at around 21:30 there are still plenty of cars and traffic around. I find it hard to believe a hit and run would have happened without leaving witnesses. Even a struggle or a scream would have surely been seen by someone on a local bus, from the flats and homes around the road or by traffic.

I’ve always felt so safe, often walking home from the station in the exact same route. I’m devastated for her loved ones and I really do hope she’s ok.

 

[twinpinesmall]

I now leaning towards no call ever happened as he did get carried away with how he felt afterwards.

"(assume Twitter has my number saved)" is what was said.

Right. And they’d just ask you for it, via DM or whatever. No way they’d get permission straight off the bat to demand release of personal info from Twitter that quickly when the person isn’t even thought to be involved in the crime.

yes. this.