Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

[Bertha96]

Why would Brian go to FLORIDA to meet with an attorney about...what exactly? The incident in Utah?

At any rate, he ends up represented by a NY attorney - and I find it outside the realm of any reasonable probability that a man would plan to kill his fiancėe and fly to FL to consult with an attorney about it. Makes no sense.

I'm a big fan of Ockham.

No that wouldn't make sense as you stated it.

What would make more sense IMO is if BL regularly abused GP and perhaps GP documented it as she documented their trips. Or BL was paranoid that she could have documented it. So after the Moab stop, his parents may have wanted him to come home and regroup and speak to a friend of their family's who is an attorney and ask him if BL could be looking at any future legal action. If BL was forthright and named multiple occasions of violence between them, the attorney could have told BL he might have a legal issue. If they would rely on a family friend who is a real estate attorney to handle their son's fraud case and POI in a homicide case, it is not beyond the pale that they would ask that attorney about possible relationship violence and legal ramifications of said violence. IMO.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Can anyone help me understand what forensic value the water bottle might have? In what way does it help the Coroner figure out what happened to BL?

Could be interesting and illuminating if traces of antifreeze or another toxic poison are found in it. ugh.

 

[bluwaters]

Very possible, I use to take photos of my injuries, something told me I might need them some day, I never told him though but GP possibly could have. MOO

I hope GB documented injuries too.
I am afraid that BL had total control of her phone and he knew everything she had on it.
jmho

 

[cady]

We already know that BL took Gabby's van (and therefore, likely some things that were in the van) to FL. Why do we need to obsess or spend public funds meant for law enforcement on this particular water bottle? It adds nothing to the eventual report the coroner will file.

Family admits the van was in the driveway. TV stations broadcast that it's in the driveway. So Gabby's water bottle was in the van. What does this show? There are probably other belongings of Gabby's in the van. This is all perfectly explainable: BL drove off in the van that had been the living space for two peple.

We all know that. Moab police know it. Arches NP rangers know it. Why obsess about the water bottle in particular? Does it have a symbolic meaning tht I'm not getting?

It implies a shoddy search or a hoaxter, both are shameful. jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

I can longer remember which interview it was in, but SB stated that the L family contacted him on the 11th (maybe around 11:30pm?) because LE had been contacting them. Does anyone have that link?

Yes. Banfield. I posted about this so going by memory, LE given his contact info on 11th. NPPD first contacted SB at 11:30 PM; FBI then contacted him 1:30 am IIRC.

 

[Jurisprudence]

EEK! I want to see it , too! If a giant boar got him, there should be blood evidence on clothing or backpack?? jmo

I was referring to the newly found bottle, and the shoddy search, but yeah, everything will do. jmo

Yes. Everything does do, doesn't it? This is a terrible ending to this crazy, whacked-out case. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Who exactly was in charge of that scene? NPPD, sheriff's department, FBI? Has this been clearly stated anywhere?

The FBI took over on or about 9/29. MOO

FBI takes over search for Laundrie in Florida reserve (fox13now.com)

 

[Jurisprudence]

And they can't argue that it wasn't a crime scene, since they don't know how he died. Hypothetically, stuff around there could have belonged to his killer. HYPOTHETICALLY! jmo

Not technically but don't forget he was a fugitive, so arguably it was. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Thank you for all this work you have put together, you have done us a great service. But I am confuzzled a bit. Couple of questions. First, what do you think the charges the L’s were potentially facing? From what I have read here (it may be wrong) aiding and abetting type charges would depend on BL being successfully prosecuted. Obstruction charges maybe? I just don’t see the FBI going after parents all that frequently unless they were directly involved in the crime. Also, you have made mention several times that this agreement now means that no one would be held accountable. With BL being dead, was there really any likelihood that the parents would have faced any legal jeopardy since with his death that means there will be no prosecution for her murder at all?
Now, for one last thing.. if part of this agreement was to provide the Petitos all the info that they possessed, wouldn’t it be in the L’s best interest that we all know about this arrangement? I mean it makes me feel a little better that they cooperated, I would imagine it would make others be a little less angry with them.

Not /u/jurisprudence but did pay attention when I attended law school (dropped out, if it matters - but worked in legal contexts as an anthropologist for a few decades)...The Laundries can't be charged with aiding and abetting anything except, I suppose, the financial fraud once that charge was filed.

Brian had of course already departed their home. So, that won't work.

Water bottles. Aiding and abetting. Neither leads anywhere - so why do people think there could be aiding and abetting charges? Those occur only after someone is convicted of a crime (usually serious, not usually something like "stealing a water bottle" or "driving a van whose owner had permitted the driving of the van many times"). No theft charges for the van. And now Brian is dead. So no new charges.

So why are people still discussing the Laundrie parents as if they could be charged? Brian wasn't charged with anything until after he left. The water bottle is immaterial. No one can be charged with aiding and abetting until the crime is charged - and then proven in a court of law. Perhaps Brian knew that. Whether he died by suicide or swamp misadventure doesn't matter at all to those two topics.

I do believe the ME knows a lot about what happened to him. I'm not sure that any credible person has released the positioning of his clothes. Since it appears some of his bones were found some distance from other bones, hopefully people can understand that different bones behave differently in water than others - and that clothes behave differently than bones. But even if for reasons known only to Brian, he took off his clothes (I can think of many reasons - but cannot discuss them here), how would that matter?

 

[cottonweaver]

Who exactly was in charge of that scene? NPPD, sheriff's department, FBI? Has this been clearly stated anywhere?

I just went to check but paragraph 3, at the screenshot not completely clear

Police hunting Gabby Petito's boyfriend Brian Laundrie find 'fresh campsite' in Carlton Reserve | Daily Mail Online

ETA . Just noticed that PommyMommy has given the date of the take-over by FBI, scroll up to her post

 

[Claire182]

I hope GB documented injuries too.
I am afraid that BL had total control of her phone and he knew everything she had on it.
jmho

The cloud might be useful if she backed them up to there IMO

ETA - maybe on the hard drive.

 

[10ofRods]

Not technically but don't forget he was a fugitive, so arguably it was. MOO

I think they knew right away it wasn't a homicide. Just like they knew immediately that Gabby's death was a homicide. The evidence is likely in the bones - which is why they are now transferring the case to a forensic anthropologist.

If cause of death is homicide, we can wonder about the water bottle (which appears to have belonged to him or Gabby - not someone else, so is of little use in a homicide investigation).

 

[Charlot123]

I have a stupid question, but I honestly don't know the answer.

If somebody kills somebody close to them, would they in turn be more apt to commit suicide in a similar fashion? As in, strangulation/hanging.

I am not a specialist and don’t know the statistics. The question, however, is very interesting. I am posting some links I found.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24219979_Coincident_deaths_double_suicide_or_murder-suicide
This one is interesting Typology of murder-suicides in Berlin according to a longitudinal study based on autopsy files - Forensic Science, Medicine and Pathology

P.S. this is a different age group - over 60, but we are predicted to see more suicides/homicides here, too

Patterns of intimate partner homicide suicide in later life: Strategies for prevention

 

[A2FMNST]

Brian Laundrie found: Parents may have just missed discovering son themselves

 

[bluwaters]

NPPD have apparently now got the authentic/faked bottle & are popping it into the dishwasher ; )

https://twitter.com/mikerreports/status/1452376557096423431

My heart skipped a beat!

 

[CharlestonGal]

The FBI took over on or about 9/29. MOO

FBI takes over search for Laundrie in Florida reserve (fox13now.com)

Thank you very much. Then why are people giving NPPD grief about the crime scene search and water bottle?

 

[cottonweaver]

Thank you very much. Then why are people giving NPPD grief about the crime scene search and water bottle?

cause nobody knew until Pommy alerted us?

 

[Jurisprudence]

@Jurisprudence I'm sure this has been answered a thousand times on here, so I apologize for asking again, but can SB legally lie about a deal being made?

Laundrie attorney denies deal with FBI and insists parents not facing charges

NBC New's Tom Llamas then asked Mr Bertolino if any deals had been discussed between himself and the FBI, which Mr Bertolino denied, saying that charges were discussed but that there was no "threat, no coercion, and no deal was cut."

This depends. It's certainly no crime to lie to to the media. Though as an attorney you're not supposed to "knowingly" lie about a "material" fact or you could get brought up on disciplinary charges. But as I said last thread, who is gonna file the complaint? The media? Do they even know if what he's lying about is "material"? Additionally, he could so easily couch this in terms of "It was true - the deal wasn't done. It had to be wrapped up. Nothing is done until it's signed, sealed and delivered." And, technically, he'd be right. It would be a good argument on behalf of his client IMOO. [I should edit this to say that the Petito/Schmidt family could file a complaint but if they agreed to the immunity deal in exchange for BL's location, of course they won't. So, that's something else to look out for. MOO]

So, do I think there was and is a deal? Yeah, I really do unfortunately. The more I hear SB yap away (with no regard for his own exposure), the more I dissect his numerous inconsistencies, and the more I plug in the pieces of parts of this investigation that never made any sense to me, I do. I hope I'm wrong.

This all MOO and only speculation.

 

[10ofRods]

I just went to check but paragraph 3, at the screenshot not completely clear

Police hunting Gabby Petito's boyfriend Brian Laundrie find 'fresh campsite' in Carlton Reserve | Daily Mail Online

ETA . Just noticed that PommyMommy has given the date of the take-over by FBI, scroll up to her post

That was published on Oct 7. So they asked CL to come in and look - and he couldn't identify anything as Brian's. Lots of people camp out there (and from what I saw, the fire pit did not look "fresh" at all - by any of the definition of "fresh campfire." It was "fresh" as in LE hadn't seen it before - but let's be real. LE isn't out there every day looking for a murder POI.

 

[bluwaters]

Very possible, I use to take photos of my injuries, something told me I might need them some day, I never told him though but GP possibly could have. MOO

I am so glad you are safe now!

 

[10ofRods]

cause nobody knew until Pommy alerted us?

How is that an explanation of the forensic value of the bottle? Great that now we all know about it - but why is such a big deal being made out of it? If LE overlooked a water bottle while looking for human remains and cause of death, that's a reason to criticize them? Not to me. To perform a grim task properly, LE focuses on the essentials. No matter whose water bottle it was, it doesn't speak to motivation, length of time alive, how someone died or any of that.