Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

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Have police in this case been completely over the top when they have investigated POI’s or what?

The bits of interrogation (e.g. Spedding) that I've seen look to be pretty much what I'd expect, but taken as a whole I feel that the approach has been flawed from the get-go.

I expect that police management is standing by for a colossal bollocking from the Coroner, and a parliamentary inquiry into the whole thing is probably a cert.
 
Looks like I am not alone in my thinking… Caroline Overington from the Australian has stated this

“Three things have happened this year to bring the police investigation to this point, including the discovery – or rediscovery – of these emails…

First, a new team of detectives was assigned to the case, after the departure of high-profile former homicide detective Gary Jubelin. They have been working their way through all the old evidence. And it doesn’t come by the boxful. It comes by the roomful.

They looked at all the old photographs of William, and they re-read everyone’s statement, from before and after he went missing. They found one photograph, taken just a few weeks before he disappeared, in which he appears to have a black eye.

The foster mother years ago explained that he’d fallen against a table, and she’d taken him to hospital as a precaution. But his biological family – who didn’t think he needed to be in foster care in the first place – were upset when they saw him with the bruise, and they wanted an investigation.

Police then found an email dated September 9, 2014 – three days before William disappeared – in which social workers described William’s foster mother as being concerned about his behaviour.

She was at the time trying to adopt William. He had started calling her Mummy. In her triple-0 call, she called him “my son”.

This was causing tension between the two families, who were still tussling over who would get to raise him.

According to the social workers, William’s foster mother said she was “close to giving up or giving in”. She was concerned about William being “emotional” after contact visits with his biological mother and father.

He was also having difficulty sleeping.

The social workers talked among themselves about “a certain amount of distress” and “dysfunction” being normal in foster children.

One then said the foster mother had told them she was “heading to her mother’s house this weekend” – and it was, of course, from her mother’s house, in the quiet village of Kendall on the NSW mid-north coast that very weekend, that he went missing.

So, that’s the first thing that happened to trigger this week’s new search.

Fresh eyes, you could call it.

Next – and this seems random at first – a little girl called CS, 4, went missing from a campsite in Western Australia, and after 18 days she was found alive and well. The WA police, the Prime Minister, the public – everyone was elated, and everyone agreed the search for CS was gold-standard, perfect policing.

Of course, there is a degree of professional rivalry between the state police forces. How come the WA cops could solve the CS case so quickly, while William was still missing after seven years?

NSW police chief Mick Fuller, who is about to retire, put a rocket under the strike force working on William’s case. Like everyone, he knows that the coronial inquiry into William’s disappearance, which is due to report in February, is likely to be critical of the NSW police: why didn’t they immediately seal the area when William went missing, as happened in the CS case?

Why didn’t they put up police tape? Why didn’t they check every car, look under every tarp, peek into every roof cavity? Why didn’t they collect all the rubbish in the street and DNA-test it? Download data from the mobile phone towers? Why did they let so many people come and go without checking their bona fides?

Why did they spend so long so publicly looking at certain “suspects”, at least one of whom is now suing for having his life destroyed in the process?


The search near Kendall less than 1km from where William Tyrrell was last seen. Picture: Peter Lorimer
William’s foster parents have been savagely critical of police, too. His foster mother told the inquiry that the new team of detectives, who replaced Gary Jubelin, wanted to turn it into a “cold case” because nobody believed it could be solved.”
The critisism towards NSWPOL is totally warranted IMO. This is a great post, thank you.
 
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Looks like I am not alone in my thinking… Caroline Overington from the Australian has stated this

“Three things have happened this year to bring the police investigation to this point, including the discovery – or rediscovery – of these emails…

First, a new team of detectives was assigned to the case, after the departure of high-profile former homicide detective Gary Jubelin. They have been working their way through all the old evidence. And it doesn’t come by the boxful. It comes by the roomful.

They looked at all the old photographs of William, and they re-read everyone’s statement, from before and after he went missing. They found one photograph, taken just a few weeks before he disappeared, in which he appears to have a black eye.

The foster mother years ago explained that he’d fallen against a table, and she’d taken him to hospital as a precaution. But his biological family – who didn’t think he needed to be in foster care in the first place – were upset when they saw him with the bruise, and they wanted an investigation.

Police then found an email dated September 9, 2014 – three days before William disappeared – in which social workers described William’s foster mother as being concerned about his behaviour.

She was at the time trying to adopt William. He had started calling her Mummy. In her triple-0 call, she called him “my son”.

This was causing tension between the two families, who were still tussling over who would get to raise him.

According to the social workers, William’s foster mother said she was “close to giving up or giving in”. She was concerned about William being “emotional” after contact visits with his biological mother and father.

He was also having difficulty sleeping.

The social workers talked among themselves about “a certain amount of distress” and “dysfunction” being normal in foster children.

One then said the foster mother had told them she was “heading to her mother’s house this weekend” – and it was, of course, from her mother’s house, in the quiet village of Kendall on the NSW mid-north coast that very weekend, that he went missing.

So, that’s the first thing that happened to trigger this week’s new search.

Fresh eyes, you could call it.

Next – and this seems random at first – a little girl called CS, 4, went missing from a campsite in Western Australia, and after 18 days she was found alive and well. The WA police, the Prime Minister, the public – everyone was elated, and everyone agreed the search for CS was gold-standard, perfect policing.

Of course, there is a degree of professional rivalry between the state police forces. How come the WA cops could solve the CS case so quickly, while William was still missing after seven years?

NSW police chief Mick Fuller, who is about to retire, put a rocket under the strike force working on William’s case. Like everyone, he knows that the coronial inquiry into William’s disappearance, which is due to report in February, is likely to be critical of the NSW police: why didn’t they immediately seal the area when William went missing, as happened in the CS case?

Why didn’t they put up police tape? Why didn’t they check every car, look under every tarp, peek into every roof cavity? Why didn’t they collect all the rubbish in the street and DNA-test it? Download data from the mobile phone towers? Why did they let so many people come and go without checking their bona fides?

Why did they spend so long so publicly looking at certain “suspects”, at least one of whom is now suing for having his life destroyed in the process?


The search near Kendall less than 1km from where William Tyrrell was last seen. Picture: Peter Lorimer
William’s foster parents have been savagely critical of police, too. His foster mother told the inquiry that the new team of detectives, who replaced Gary Jubelin, wanted to turn it into a “cold case” because nobody believed it could be solved.”
looks like fact based evidence to me, keep it coming. IMO
 
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It is my understanding that the minor child did not appear in person at the inquest, and had merely had 'her letter' read out on her behalf. imo.

ETA: Ok, looked it up.. it was a 'recorded message' that was played at the inquest:

"This is my brother we're talking about, in my mind no one is trying so I've made the decision to do something about that, to talk," she said in a recorded statement to the court.

William Tyrrell's sister vows to become a detective and find him

“in my mind no one is trying”

Could this be why Laidlaw shook his head?
 
I feel I am doubting the 2 cars story more and more. If the family arrived in Kendall - Grandmothers house - the night before. Then why would these cars be there to organise a abduction in the morning. FC wakes up and sees them parked on the street 7.00am. How did they know to be there before she even goes outside. Is she implying the Washing Repair Guy tipped them off that they would be coming to Kendall. If it had been known - say the FGM mentioned it to someone that her family is coming - sometime Friday and she could have said Friday Afternoon. These 2 cars randomly guessed to come there early and as it turns out the family went to Kendall a day earlier. Seems convenient, were they prepared to stay there for hours waiting for the original time planned to come and lucky for them it turned out to be a day early. Weirdly convenient.
They may have been there for another purpose then saw an opportunity when WT appeared (IMO he did run down to the street looking for his MFC).
 
I've been listening to the 10 podcast and was surprised how genuine the FM sounded. I wonder if the cops are saying she is a POI to flush out someone else.

I'd like to know who, how and why the photo dates were changed. If it was because the the camera was set up to Perth/Singapore timezone it would have been corrected by exactly 2 hours, not 2 hours and a few minutes. Surely forensic analysis of light patterns would give an indication of the time +-2 hours. Sunrise was 6:00am.

Yup! This! Me too! I don’t understand it and for me this is key in understanding the timeline.
 
Does anyone think that, if the FFC was involved, that she’s also hidden the truth from the MFC?

Yes. In that scenario I think that’s most likely. People have pondered that if there was an accident, such as a fall from the balcony, whether she may have covered it up out of fear of FACS, and losing the sibling.

But there’s another possibility: she may have been afraid of her husband’s reaction. She has stated in interviews that William didn’t really take to her, but bonded instantly with MFC. MFC reportedly adored William, while FFC struggled with William’s behaviour.

It would also explain why there was no incriminating evidence in the car bugging incident GJ talks about. I wonder if GJ had ever considered that just one parent could be involved and not the both of them.
 
IMO LE are held to a higher standard ,they are entrusted with access to information that can make or break a case. Behind these case these are real human beings with real situations that they r going through and most often than not going through possibly the worst time in their lives. My point being that when LE don't follow these laws some people might feel let down or misguided ,jaded by the very people they are supposed to trust. Just my own thoughts when I see this type of scenario happening.

That’s pretty much what the judgments said.
 
There is also this, which indicates FGM was supervising the kids and had gone to make tea. Someone had asked earlier, .... where was FM?

William’s sister, who cannot be named for legal reasons, recorded a message that was played at the end of a 19-month inquest into the three-year-old’s suspected abduction.

“I hope this speech makes you solve the case,” she said.

“If it doesn’t, when I am officially adult, I will be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and not give up until he is found.

“Please help my family, most of all me, find our precious William.”

William’s foster grandmother had been supervising the pair, but when she went inside to make a cup of tea, the little boy disappeared.

William Tyrrell's sister tells inquest she will become a detective and find him

Blaming her mother!
 
Yes. In that scenario I think that’s most likely. People have pondered that if there was an accident, such as a fall from the balcony, whether she may have covered it up out of fear of FACS, and losing the sibling.

But there’s another possibility: she may have been afraid of her husband’s reaction. She has stated in interviews that William didn’t really take to her, but bonded instantly with MFC. MFC reportedly adored William, while FFC struggled with William’s behaviour.

It would also explain why there was no incriminating evidence in the car bugging incident GJ talks about. I wonder if GJ had ever considered that just one parent could be involved and not the both of them.

Yup, i concur. This appears to be what police are working towards. Should it pan out, it will be the con job of the century by FCM
 
It is not necessarily odd. I have asthma and my nieces both have it as well. As kids, we could run around, ride bikes, jump around with no problem. But there is a limit and if running a long distance, or doing something that really pushes your lungs to the limit, like walking up a steep hill, your asthma can suddenly kick in. JMO
In his other interview he said he’ll never stop looking. Just not up a hill because asthma.
 
I can only imagine the cost that this latest search/investigation is costing. If they are now suggesting this search could take months and the cost involved, could we assume that they really might have some form of evidence, not just a theory?

Initially, it was anticipated that the search could be over after three weeks, but a spokesman for the force told news.com.au that it could now stretch out for months.


He revealed the mammoth scale of the search has been revealed for the first time – with police sifting through the topsoil by hand over an area spanning roughly 1.5 square kilometres.

He said police have not even searched 10 per cent of the total area yet – meaning the operation is set to last several months.


Cops make new discovery at Tyrrell site
Unless they find something before then… o_O
 
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