Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 Mar 2020 #5 *charges*

[Satchie]

When I saw the presser last night, I noted the police spokesman did not say and I think refused to say, how they located this area they intended to search. However, the way he spoke suggested he was absolutely confident it was the right area: "This morning [Thurs] detectives identified a crime scene within the Great Alpine area and forensic specialists will commence searching at that location over the coming days..."
Then this morning *advertiser censored*. Comm. Hill said police had been provided 'specific' information..."*advertiser censored*.Comm Hill did not give the source.
It seems to me there are three possibilities:
- Mr Lynn told them
- Mr Lynn said something that the police tallied with other information and enabled them to identify the idea
- Other investigative activities came to fruition at the same time that Mr Lynne was charged.
We do not know whether Mr Hill and Ms Clay were buried or dumped; DM is saying burial, but that may be their conjecture; one needs to actually read the police statement.
If other information is or contributes to the location of the disposal site it may be technical. For instance, if hear the top of a hill, then there may be brief pinging off distant mobile towers; or if Mr Lynne was using google maps on his phone, it logs travel and movement, including stopping at one or other location. If he had a GPS, that too can log travel route. Or he may have had a satellite phone. If turned on some make regular "handshakes" with satellites.
VicPol last night that "external" agencies provided assistance. One agency mentioned has been AFP. But when it comes to technical, involving phones, pcs, and the like, other Commonwealth agencies with considerably more technical capability provide assistance in cases like this.
The police have rightly acknowledged the intense public interest and appear to be saying as much as they can at any one time.
I suspect there will be a book if not a mini series. However it pans out, I am glad the families are closer to finding out what happened and this "mystery" seem close to resolution. And the dedication of the police is to be commended, IMHO.

Or even, for example, they recovered photos from his computer that he took at the scene, and those have gps attached...

 

[Arboreal]

@Aboreal Just to add to your post above - because they also pay for information, they often get exclusive stories which other media outlets then use. They always have the best photos and lots of them. In fact no other outlet can compare.

Quite frankly I get tired of everyone making disparaging comments about the DM because I've seen numerous mistakes in other media but no-one ever comments about that. These days in the rush to get stories out, it's not uncommon to see mistakes. The days of employing investigative journalists is not the same as it was years ago. Just saying.

A you can guess, I agree. One should always keep an open mind and also be alert to one's own prejudices. The DM does a useful job and one needs to keep in mind, as one does when reading any journalis, the "slant" and working practices of the publication. In my experience, it is much easier to pick through the DM than say the HS or the DT. And The Oz can be not only misleading but bordering on the bizarre. IMHO.

 

[Arboreal]

Or even, for example, they recovered photos from his computer that he took at the scene, and those have gps attached...

Exactly. Good point. It can even be something like blue tooth - if he had it turned on, it can handshake with nearby devices and that is recorded.
I suspect the police have amassed a case where they dismantle his denials (e.g. "I did not see Mr Hill and Ms Clay", which is difficult to sustain if your phone was handshaking with theirs....) That is why, I suspect, they have gone with murder rather than manslaughter.
It will be interesting to see if he goes to a trial or tries for a plea.

 

[they'll get you]

I want to know what they found on those shovels.

 

[Arboreal]

Do you mean they can elevate charges from manslaughter to murder but not vice versa? I don't think there is anything to stop them adding or changing charges of greater or lesser severity prior to the trial. Also, if someone admits they killed someone accidentally, that does not stop them being charged with that person's murder.

I just checked. Police and prosecutors can amend charges, either way, prior to a trial. They can start with manslaughter or grievious bodily harm, but in the light of new information or the victim dies, amend the charge to murder. And they can add to the initial charges too. During a trial, prosecutors can accept a pleas to a less charge than the one the person is being tried on (for instance, thee accused is being tried for murder, but the prosecutor can agree to accept a plea of manslaughter). If a jury is involved, a jury can only acquit or convict of a lesser charges - for instance, one reads of a jury acquitting of murder but convicting of manslaughter.

 

[Theodora]

A special operations group police were flown in via helicopter to arrest Mr Lynn at a remote Gippsland campsite about 5.30pm on Monday.

That’s an drastic operation, you think there were concerns of him suiciding? Was he suspicious he was being watched.
Russell Hill, Carol Clay disappearance: Greg Lynn charged with murder of missing Victorian campers

Fear of suicide was my guess. If he suicided there would be no chance of getting further information on where to find their bodies.

 

[Kemug]

I can't see that GL would have any motive to murder his first wife?

 

[JayWill]

Fear of suicide was my guess. If he suicided there would be no chance of getting further information on where to find their bodies.

That suggests that he suspected that they were nearing an arrest.

 

[Theodora]

The accused man has a wife and kids. Pretty tricky to bury things at your residence with a family about.

Only the youngest child, a teenager, lived at home by all accounts. Given the 2 children he had with his first wife must be aged over 22, they have quite likely moved out of home by now. His wife worked as a flight attendant so might have been on a shift while he was rostered off.

Maybe the beehives are sitting on hidden evidence, with the bees there to deter people looking closely, but it's more likely any evidence would be buried in the bush somewhere.

 

[Theodora]

Does that mean that the wife reported her husband. Or were the police watching the house?

I saw a post that suggested the home had been bugged by the police

 

[JudgeJudi]

RSBM

Only the Daily Mail has reported "It is understood Lynn has told police where he dumped their bodies in the bush".

No other media outlets have reported this (yet). Can we rely on what the Daily Mail has reported?

In other words the DM has heard but it hasn't been confirmed where Lynn dumped the bodies.

 

[Theodora]

I've not kept up with this case, so apologies if this has been answered and gone over multiple times. If RH and CC were keeping their relationship a secret, how did the police and family know CC was there at the campsite? How did they link those two together?

CC's younger sister knew CC went on a camping trip with RH at that time. I recall one of CC's neighbours saying they had spoken to one or both of them when RH came to collect CC.

 

[Satchie]

I saw a post that suggested the home had been bugged by the police

Do police really do that? I mean, would a judge give permission? And who has the manpower to listen to recordings from every room in the house 24/7?

Possibly there might have been officers sitting outside. Hear shouting and see him slam the door and rush out. One vehicle follows him, other officer goes to the front door and find an excuse to start asking questions.

JMO

 

[JayWill]

I can't see that GL would have any motive to murder his first wife?

That depends on whether they were divorced and had had a financial settlement or not IMO.

 

[brissygirl2019]

Do police really do that? I mean, would a judge give permission? And who has the manpower to listen to recordings from every room in the house 24/7?

Possibly there might have been officers sitting outside. Hear shouting and see him slam the door and rush out. One vehicle follows him, other officer goes to the front door and find an excuse to start asking questions.

JMO

Do police really do that -- Yes
Would a Judge give permission - Yes
Who has the manpower to listen to hours of recordings -- The police do

JMO

 

[PingTheRouter]

Do police really do that? I mean, would a judge give permission? And who has the manpower to listen to recordings from every room in the house 24/7?

100% yes to all your questions

its happened before and it will happen again

its not actually that much man power, i can't explain why though but they have some tech help

back in the day of carl Williams they used to listen by ear for hours and hours having two or more cops doing the listening and logging

 

[minusfour]

Why wouldn't the media continue to publish his photo? There is no reason they shouldn't.

People who are in the news for not so good reasons might not like it, but there is no reason the media cannot continue to post his photo that I know of

I thought Australian media didn't publish photos of accused people until they had been tried? I must be wrong.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I realise that thank you. Will do

You are an insider because you knew GL and you knew him before the incident. Your insight into what you know about him would be valuable to build a picture of this man. Of course, biases for or against him will be taken into consideration, your posts would be very much appreciated here. Thank you


Tricia's post about insider verification -

We only verify people who know the players or have been named in the media, etc.

Insiders

If you have not known the family or friends prior to the incident, you most likely will not need to be verified.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

 

[Satchie]

Do police really do that -- Yes
Would a Judge give permission - Yes
Who has the manpower to listen to hours of recordings -- The police do

JMO

The only case I've heard of actual bugging devices was an investigation in Toronto, when 3 family members had conspired to murder 3 other family members. They discussed and justified it quite a bit, among themselves.

Whereas one guy, keeping it secret from the rest of the family, would the police hope he might mutter about it to himself in the bathroom, like Robert Durst did (when he forgot he was miked for a TV interview)?

JMO

 

[JudgeJudi]

Do police really do that -- Yes
Would a Judge give permission - Yes
Who has the manpower to listen to hours of recordings -- The police do

JMO

Not necessarily police officers but can be employees of the police department.