Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[mrjitty]

That then becomes hearsay, but roll with it, what could possibly be known to just to CB about 5a that is not known to the world ?

My belief is that the tapas evidence might be less than accurate. An abductor who was observing 5A, might have observed some important facts, which would not be public - but which police would be able to check with the witnesses.

Just as a hypothetical for example, what if the checks were less than advertised, the child wandered, and was taken outside 5A?

Not saying that happened - but just an example of how the abductor could know things that weren't public but that the police could potentially confirm.

 

[RichardKimble]

My belief is that the tapas evidence might be less than accurate. An abductor who was observing 5A, might have observed some important facts, which would not be public - but which police would be able to check with the witnesses.

Just as a hypothetical for example, what if the checks were less than advertised, the child wandered, and was taken outside 5A?

Not saying that happened - but just an example of how the abductor could know things that weren't public but that the police could potentially confirm.

Bolded bit, that has always been a possibility, gives one reason why Wolters does not talk of his suspect in 5a.

 

[mrjitty]

Bolded bit, that has always been a possibility, gives one reason why Wolters does not talk of his suspect in 5a.

I don't believe there is a photo or video

More typically in these cases there is some quirk that betrays the guilty party, often in the coverup. But it could have been something in the commission or preparation for the crime that links him.

Wolters has said it isn't forensic, and was interested in the vehicle. So I think its something where he gave insight into his actions which point to guilt.

 

[RichardKimble]

I don't believe there is a photo or video

More typically in these cases there is some quirk that betrays the guilty party, often in the coverup. But it could have been something in the commission or preparation for the crime that links him.

Wolters has said it isn't forensic, and was interested in the vehicle. So I think its something where he gave insight into his actions which point to guilt.

I think we're more or less on the same page, the circumstantial is just that imo, it does not lead any further , again imo, any substantial break trough in the case since the appeal would have manifested itself by now.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Finally some good news from germany, but still a lot of work to do against these vile creatures!

Bergisch Gladbach: Missbrauchsermittler ziehen Bilanz

 

[Anxala]

That then becomes hearsay, but roll with it, what could possibly be known to just to CB about 5a that is not known to the world ?

It wouldn't have to be something specifically about 5A, it could be something specifically about MM that's not in the public domain.

Obviously, pure speculation on my part (it was discussed in earlier threads) and not really something I believe, more just rolling with your and Mr J's speculation in terms of wondering (for the millionth time) what exactly is it that HCW has on CB that links him to MM.

 

[RichardKimble]

It wouldn't have to be something specifically about 5A, it could be something specifically about MM that's not in the public domain.

Obviously, pure speculation on my part (it was discussed in earlier threads) and not really something I believe, more just rolling with your and Mr J's speculation in terms of wondering (for the millionth time) what exactly is it that HCW has on CB that links him to MM.

Thats all it is for any one, til HCW rules him out or charges.

 

[mrjitty]

It wouldn't have to be something specifically about 5A, it could be something specifically about MM that's not in the public domain.

Obviously, pure speculation on my part (it was discussed in earlier threads) and not really something I believe, more just rolling with your and Mr J's speculation in terms of wondering (for the millionth time) what exactly is it that HCW has on CB that links him to MM.

It could even be something that isn't admissible, or isn't strong proof.

I was reading No Stone Unturned - the story about Necrosearch, as they came up in the Morphew case where there is also no body. That book is about the multi-year efforts to find missing bodies in murder cases. I was kind of struck by 2 things.

First, it can be very difficult to find dumped bodies, even when they are not especially well hidden, if you don't know where to look for them. I think that is the case here, but they were hoping once they had the suspect, they'd get a break to where the body might be.

Second, often police can be well aware of who did it, but quite far from proving it where there is no body. So it might not have taken very strong evidence at all for it to become clear to HCW who the killer is - especially when they found more circumstantial evidence relatively quickly. In one case in No Stone Unturned, law enforcement knew a body had been dumped in water, due to tips from associates - but finding exactly where took years until they got the right break (again a human witness).

So going back to the original post I responded to, I think HCW may believe he has a good idea what happened (matches what he has said) but is some way from a solid case - especially without the body.

 

[misty48]

What if the phone wasn't in CB's hand, but was in an accomplice's hand who'd borrowed CB's phone and was in PDL?
Perhaps CB was waiting 30 minutes away and was actually the other caller?

Perhaps why HCW doesn't seem interested in CB + 5A.

That might explain the 2 blond men checking out 5A too.

JMO

BKA doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate any abduction from 5A and, if media reports are to be believed, Portugal have refused to hand over any crime scene forensics for re-testing

It could even be something that isn't admissible, or isn't strong proof.

I was reading No Stone Unturned - the story about Necrosearch, as they came up in the Morphew case where there is also no body. That book is about the multi-year efforts to find missing bodies in murder cases. I was kind of struck by 2 things.

First, it can be very difficult to find dumped bodies, even when they are not especially well hidden, if you don't know where to look for them. I think that is the case here, but they were hoping once they had the suspect, they'd get a break to where the body might be.

Second, often police can be well aware of who did it, but quite far from proving it where there is no body. So it might not have taken very strong evidence at all for it to become clear to HCW who the killer is - especially when they found more circumstantial evidence relatively quickly. In one case in No Stone Unturned, law enforcement knew a body had been dumped in water, due to tips from associates - but finding exactly where took years until they got the right break (again a human witness).

So going back to the original post I responded to, I think HCW may believe he has a good idea what happened (matches what he has said) but is some way from a solid case - especially without the body.

I think it's entirely possible HCW may know that CB doesn't know where the body was left, hence the wording of the BKA appeal in June 2020. This would help explain the delay in charging & why the murder case against him has to be as strong as it can be in the circumstances.

 

[RichardKimble]

BKA doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate any abduction from 5A and, if media reports are to be believed, Portugal have refused to hand over any crime scene forensics for re-testing

Which doesn't make sense re the forensics, its said an hair tied CB to the American womans rape, meaning they cooperated then and his dna is on the records.

 

[misty48]

Which doesn't make sense re the forensics, its said an hair tied CB to the American womans rape, meaning they cooperated then and his dna is on the records.

The way Portuguese law works CB would have had to have been a suspect in the rape case & given his consent to have a DNA test. The sample could not be cross-checked against other crimes he's not suspected of.
Portugal sent the hair to Germany as BKA were the force with CB's DNA profile, irrespective of any previous DNA samples obtained from his known earlier crimes in Portugal. As you are no doubt aware, Amaral has since claimed that the evidence bag containing the hair sent to Germany was not sealed, insinuating that the evidence had been tampered with.
The rape was a solo crime with no risk of others being implicated by association.
In Madeleine's case, the issue would seem to be that CB is not a suspect in Portugal and it's not in their best interests to assist in his prosecution or deal with the inevitable repercussions. There are several unidentified hairs stored at INML and I think that even if one of those did belong to CB, there would be a strong defence case for transference from outside 5A.
All IMO.

 

[RichardKimble]

The way Portuguese law works CB would have had to have been a suspect in the rape case & given his consent to have a DNA test. The sample could not be cross-checked against other crimes he's not suspected of.
Portugal sent the hair to Germany as BKA were the force with CB's DNA profile, irrespective of any previous DNA samples obtained from his known earlier crimes in Portugal. As you are no doubt aware, Amaral has since claimed that the evidence bag containing the hair sent to Germany was not sealed, insinuating that the evidence had been tampered with.
The rape was a solo crime with no risk of others being implicated by association.
In Madeleine's case, the issue would seem to be that CB is not a suspect in Portugal and it's not in their best interests to assist in his prosecution or deal with the inevitable repercussions. There are several unidentified hairs stored at INML and I think that even if one of those did belong to CB, there would be a strong defence case for transference from outside 5A.
All IMO.

Grange had access to the forensics, its inconceivable they haven't shared it with the BKA particularly has it was them that set the BKA onto CB.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAs...ention-of-dna-data-and-other-forensic-samples

 

[misty48]

Grange had access to the forensics, its inconceivable they haven't shared it with the BKA particularly has it was them that set the BKA onto CB.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAs...ention-of-dna-data-and-other-forensic-samples

The forensic samples in that FOI were the ones taken after the specialist dogs were deployed in August 2007, not the ones lifted by the PJ CSI team in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance.
Like BKA, Met. Police have also reportedly been denied access to retest the material gathered in May 2007. I have seen no confirmation that Portugal changed their stance. Police move that could prevent McCann's killer being charged

 

[Lilly b]

CB could have been waiting 30/40 mins away in Foral with NF, who could also be his alibi ?

It's not nf,. It's the person who begins with A,. But she has said she spent time with him but not sure about that night

 

[Lilly b]

Just speculating if BKA may have found "the same story" told to them by HB in any letters/notes they may have found in CB's abandoned places in Germany. Maybe details that only the killer could know.
Do not recall where but I remembered something reported related with then BKA asking ex-girlfriends for notes from him. In the attempt to get another piece of the puzzle?!
Don't they have more than this?

Hb said he confessed to him 2008 and DR in 2017 in the bar in Germany, so at least 2 people, and aberle guy said he confessed to killing his ex girlfriend,. Amongst other things like you mention above

 

[SuperdadV8]

Not to post too much without a link to the MM case so just mentioning the alleged Ghislaine M. sighting in Barcelona....

Just read that sweaty Andrew has a problem with his own family right now?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Not to post too much without a link to the MM case so just mentioning the alleged Ghislaine M. sighting in Barcelona....

Just read that sweaty Andrew has a problem with his own family right now?

He’s basically been ‘grounded’ with mummy dearest taking away his privileges.

I dare say he’s remembered how to sweat in the last 24 hours

 

[Hygge]

It's not nf,. It's the person who begins with A,. But she has said she spent time with him but not sure about that night

So was she his girlfriend Anja from Lagos?

 

[Lilly b]

So was she his girlfriend Anja from Lagos?

It's A... L... ....... , So do you know the rest of the name ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

He’s basically been ‘grounded’ with mummy dearest taking away his privileges.

I dare say he’s remembered how to sweat in the last 24 hours

Maybe i didn't make a joke Betty, since we read in the news about CB being a "businessman".

Victoria Beckham 'lookalike' sought in Madeleine McCann case

Why MM? Why did a native british girl went missing in portugal? Why did CB made a trip to spain shortly before MM went missing?

IMO the "stolen to order" theory hasn't been ruled out yet....

And what about FF's "Falling-of-british-chairs" statement?

Who pays FF and "Behind the curtain and infamous" - JS????