TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022 #3

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I can't even fathom being an officer that was left standing in the hallway, waiting on PA's orders, only to watch him allegedly fumble around with 30+ keys, and when finally given the order to charge the room, saw for the first time that the doors had been unlocked the entire time-- while they literally wasted 1 hour and 14 minutes standing around.

I don't know how you recover from that. I just don't... :eek: :eek::eek:
 
6/21/22

But he said Arredondo kept searching for a key to unlock the classroom door when they didn't need one.

He said no one tried to open the door.

"How about trying the door see if it's unlocked," McCraw said. "No one had."

McCraw said there was enough equipment to have breached the door earlier.

Had the doors to the classroom been locked, he said the students and teachers could still be alive because officers had arrived quickly.

"The three minutes would have made a difference," McCraw said. "We could have kept him out for three minutes. Those officers would have been in the hallway, and he could have never been in 111 and 112. He'd been dead."

www.cbsnews.com

McCraw: commander at Uvalde school shooting 'placed lives of officers before lives of children'

McCraw didn't hold back as he described what happened in the days before the mass shooting on May 24, inside the school, and what officers did and did not do as they arrived on-scene.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
I'm speechless.

What's the truth?

Was Chief PA blatantly, flat-out lying to the Texas Tribune two weeks ago when he made these statements?

Did an officer really put a key inside the classroom door before entering?

www.insider.com

Uvalde school police chief said he tried at least 26 keys to the room where the shooter was, but none worked

Pete Arredondo's lawyer said the police chief had to get a janitor to bring him a "key ring that's got to weigh 10 pounds."
www.insider.com www.insider.com

June 10, 2022

  • The Uvalde schools police chief said he tried over 26 keys to access the room where the gunman was.
  • None of them worked, he said, and eventually another officer found the right key.
  • His lawyer said the school's key system was kept on a ring "that's got to weigh 10 pounds."
Uvalde schools district police Chief Pete Arredondo told the Texas Tribune that he had called for the keys and a tool to break down the door, which he couldn't kick down because it was reinforced.

While the breaching tool never came, the keys did, per the Tribune. Arredondo said he was given a set of six keys by a janitor, and tried each one fruitlessly on the door of a room connected to where the gunman was.

Another key ring with about 20 to 30 keys was later brought to him, and he tried all of them one by one, he said, giving a total of at least 26 attempts.

[..]

Eventually, Arredondo was informed that another officer had found the key to the room, he told the outlet. More than an hour passed before officers on the scene took down the gunman.
 
www.kvue.com

Uvalde district police chief Pete Arredondo testifies in closed-door hearing

Testimony was given Tuesday at the State Capitol.
www.kvue.com www.kvue.com

6/21/22

AUSTIN, Texas — On Tuesday evening, the Texas Police Chiefs Association resident and the San Marcos police chief told state senators active shooter training for police officers is "woefully inadequate."

[..]

"At our level, there is zero requirement for commander level officers to go to active shooter training. That needs to change. There should be a minimum of eight, ideally 16 hours required for chief executives as part of active shooter management," Standridge said.

He added those trainings for every officer need to happen regularly, not just one time to "check the box."

"What we're asking you to consider is: mandate that a school marshal has to have 16 hours of ALERRT training biannually," Standridge said.

"The school marshal program has shown remarkable merit because it requires biannual training, it requires a psychological assessment, it requires a background investigation. There are specific protocols that have to be developed by the school board of trustees."

Many of the senators thanked Standridge and Perdue for their testimony Tuesday night but did not say whether or not the measures proposed by the two would be implemented.

The Senate committee will continue hearing testimony on Wednesday morning.
 
Dotta said:
Is PA on administrative leave or is he still "working"?

I read he stays at home (hiding??) and that Police from other towns protect him.
It is so confusing.
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I'm not reading that PA is on admin leave from Uvalde School Dist Police, nor that he's requested admin leave.

However, we do know that Tuesday was a full session for the Uvalde City Council where PA was absent, and the council voted against imposing a leave of absence on the school police chief and councilman PA.

The purpose of granting PA leave would be to prevent him from losing his seat (since PA hasn't attended one meeting since the shooting incident).

According to the charter, the council could declare his seat vacant if he misses three meetings straight; the next is scheduled for July 5.

www.kens5.com

Uvalde City Council votes to deny school police chief Pete Arredondo a leave of absence

The unanimous decision sets up the possibility for City Council to declare Arredondo's seat vacant if he misses three consecutive meetings.
www.kens5.com www.kens5.com
 
Seattle1 said:
I'm not reading that PA is on admin leave from Uvalde School Dist Police, nor that he's requested admin leave.

However, we do know that Tuesday was a full session for the Uvalde City Council where PA was absent, and the council voted against imposing a leave of absence on the school police chief and councilman PA.

The purpose of granting PA leave would be to prevent him from losing his seat (since PA hasn't attended one meeting since the shooting incident).

According to the charter, the council could declare his seat vacant if he misses three meetings straight; the next is scheduled for July 5.

www.kens5.com

Uvalde City Council votes to deny school police chief Pete Arredondo a leave of absence

The unanimous decision sets up the possibility for City Council to declare Arredondo's seat vacant if he misses three consecutive meetings.
www.kens5.com www.kens5.com
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Thanks, I was just wondering if he "goes to work" every day, just like us regular ppl or stays at home.

As for Council - no comment.
 
Dotta said:
Thanks, I was just wondering if he "goes to work" every day, just like us regular ppl or stays at home.

As for Council - no comment.
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PA was so guarded when swiftly escorted into an elevator in Austin for a senate Tx House hearing Tuesday that I doubt he leaves his home during daylight hours! Monday's school board meeting was also full of angry residents demanding PA be fired.

“Having Pete still employed, knowing he is incapable of decision-making that saves lives, is terrifying,” he said. “Do what is right. Remove Pete from employment.”

www.kxan.com

‘He killed our kids’: Families call for Uvalde CISD police chief’s termination during school board meeting

A handful of people made their appeals to school board members, including family members of those murdered during the mass shooting.
www.kxan.com www.kxan.com
 
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Uvalde School Police Chief should he be fired? Live with DutyRon​

June 10, 2022


Duty Ron & Ed Wallace discuss Chief PA's first interview with the Texas Tribune on June 9. Take note this episode predates the senate hearing.

www.texastribune.org

Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman

Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
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So,
Apart from this "abject failure", the school's elementary safety measures also failed it seems.
Has the Headteacher/Principal spoken publicly yet?

www.nbcnews.com

Multiple security failures contributed to Uvalde school mass shooting fatalities

Police response to the shooting was an “abject failure,” a top Texas official said, but other basic safety features, including door locks, failed on the day of the shooting.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Dotta said:
So,
Apart from this "abject failure", the school's elementary safety measures also failed it seems.
Has the Headteacher/Principal spoken publicly yet?

www.nbcnews.com

Multiple security failures contributed to Uvalde school mass shooting fatalities

Police response to the shooting was an “abject failure,” a top Texas official said, but other basic safety features, including door locks, failed on the day of the shooting.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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The school principal has spoken before state lawmakers but she hasn’t made any public statements. Here’s a short clip from CNN.

The principal of Robb Elementary got emotional after testifying before state lawmakers about the mass shooting that killed 19 children and 2 teachers in Uvalde, Texas. ​

www.cnn.com

Robb Elementary principal breaks down after school shooting testimony | CNN

The principal of Robb Elementary got emotional after testifying before state lawmakers about the mass shooting that killed 19 children and 2 teachers in Uvalde, Texas.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Dotta said:
So,
Apart from this "abject failure", the school's elementary safety measures also failed it seems.
Has the Headteacher/Principal spoken publicly yet?

www.nbcnews.com

Multiple security failures contributed to Uvalde school mass shooting fatalities

Police response to the shooting was an “abject failure,” a top Texas official said, but other basic safety features, including door locks, failed on the day of the shooting.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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No. And after watching that "moment of truth" yesterday I'm betting that she will likely be unemployed next school year. Not necessarily because of SR but because of what they found in the aftermath: the unlocked exterior doors (with a culture that said those doors are very often left unlocked); finding the magnetic strips on many interior doors; the broken lock on room 111 - not that she didn't report it but it had been reported a few times and was still not fixed (she should have been on maintnance's butt to get that done); the lack of organization of the school's masters keys; those are all serious violations of a school's safety plan and with her being the "top dog" of the school - well the buck stops there.

I'm also curious about that exterior door and who unlocked it. I will bet the house it was a custodian - but if he/she was acting on the principal's orders then................still,, that custodian (or whoever it was) may find himself/herself looking for work as well.

The complacency had become contagious because of the small town atmosphere and the "it can't happen here" attitude. Just shows to go ya that you can never let your guard down and, especially in education, you always have to be alert to protect your young students and staff.



JMHO
 
Wise Old Owl said:
No. And after watching that "moment of truth" yesterday I'm betting that she will likely be unemployed next school year. Not necessarily because of SR but because of what they found in the aftermath: the unlocked exterior doors (with a culture that said those doors are very often left unlocked); finding the magnetic strips on many interior doors; the broken lock on room 111 - not that she didn't report it but it had been reported a few times and was still not fixed (she should have been on maintnance's butt to get that done); the lack of organization of the school's masters keys; those are all serious violations of a school's safety plan and with her being the "top dog" of the school - well the buck stops there.

I'm also curious about that exterior door and who unlocked it. I will bet the house it was a custodian - but if he/she was acting on the principal's orders then................still,, that custodian (or whoever it was) may find himself/herself looking for work as well.

The complacency had become contagious because of the small town atmosphere and the "it can't happen here" attitude. Just shows to go ya that you can never let your guard down and, especially in education, you always have to be alert to protect your young students and staff.



JMHO
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I love:
"top dog" /"The buck stops there" :)

Absolutely!!!
 
Seattle1 said:

Uvalde School Police Chief should he be fired? Live with DutyRon​

June 10, 2022


Duty Ron & Ed Wallace discuss Chief PA's first interview with the Texas Tribune on June 9. Take note this episode predates the senate hearing.

www.texastribune.org

Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman

Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
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^Hard to believe that whether or not PA should be fired is even in question… :mad:
 
BeckyF said:
Can someone clarify for me please?

Did PA lie when he said he tried multiple keys to open the classroom door? Was that just a made up story? The door wasn’t even locked at all?

Is the mayor of Uvalde accusing the DPS of lying about his statements he made today about the events of that day?

TIA
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Seems there are - at best - lies by omission all over the place. From the school to be demolished article:

At the city council meeting on Tuesday night, McLaughlin accused McCraw of deflecting blame away from state police enforcement.

"Every briefing he leaves out the number of his own officers and rangers that were on scene that day," the mayor said. "Colonel McCraw has an agenda and it's not to present a full report on what happened and to give factual answers to the families of this community."

McLaughlin said state officials were leaving the city and its residents in the dark, declaring: "The gloves are off."
 
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