ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 26

[Sister Golden Hair]

If he lived nearby, he could've broken in to the house a few times at 4 am. Gotten a feel for the layout.

Maybe stole some items like underwear.

or placed AV to monitor them... jmo

 

[OrangeRhyme]

According to Hyundai Elantra Sales Figures, there were approximately 650,000 2011-13 Elantras sold in the US. Car colour popularity - Wikipedia shows white is the preference of approximately 25% people, and recent sales figures indicate that this is also approximately the number of white cars sold. So there are approximately 162,500 white Elantras from those years out there. Now Idaho and Washington have 3% of the population, so there should be about 5000 white Elantras in Idaho and Washington, about 800 of them in Idaho. So it's reasonable that one could track them down in a short period of time based on registration data.

Excellent research!

Is there preferences for different vehicles based on city/state also?
Like Californians love Teslas. Texans love Ford trucks.

Apparently Hyundai is popular with students but locals might favour trucks.

I imagine there's analysts working through a list of Hyundai Elantras already

 

[lucidium]

because all cars require licensing, and large databases exist for compiling the data, and if they know the type and color of vehicle, they can find it. they know how many were made, who owns them, the ones that were totaled, etc., and that means, for this car to be unidentifiable and unable to be traced to an owner, someone either slipped through a wire or the owner doesn't know the car is gone. there are a number of posts about this earlier in the thread, but this is unusual that LE would need the public's help to ID the owners.

What you suggest is a complicated, intensive process. LE would have to compile a list of cars matching the description (from multiple sources), find current contact info for each owner, and speak with each individually. It is possible that LE are doing that at this very moment.

 

[WildWest]

Panel siding in general still sealed as referenced in the url. The subject is the sealing of the inside from the outside.

I've never heard of exterior panel siding before. Do we know what kind of siding 1122 has?

 

[human]

Respectfully - how would they know? Especially if all they have is random side footage of a vehicle?

Presser says license plate unknown. Maybe they ran all the usual traps and came up with nothing. Thus the request for tips.

Thé DMV of each state has a record of all cars. The color, the year, the model.
I wonder how many of that age are still in use in that area.

 

[hopewell]

With all the resources working on this case, LE should have found either the car or its owner by now.

My opinion.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Just fyi, I’ve read every thread.

So you’re saying there is some sort of database so they have a list of every white Elantra licensed between 2011 and 2013, and they have run down every one of those since the murders that they can, and there are that many unaccounted for that they needed to ask for the public’s help in finding the one they are looking for so they can speak with the occupants?

I‘m not buying it.

really? DMV for every state. so yes, they can know the owners of every white Elantra between those years. and know the owners and know if one is totaled, etc. and that's just the dmv. there re other databases that can be linked. if you've never done deep background research, then it's hard to imagine just how much info is out there, but yes, IME and JMO I'm saying that it makes no sense that LE would need to ask the public's help unless the 'occupants' of the vehicle slipped through a wire. that is what I'm saying, yes.

if you wander back to page 20, I commented about it, and it will lead you to several others before that. and @pmondrian2020 just posted some links and did some math that works. although I would expand outside of wa or id

 

[Moonsie]

What you suggest is a complicated, intensive process. LE would have to compile a list of cars matching the description (from multiple sources), find current contact info for each owner, and speak with each individually. It is possible that LE are doing that at this very moment.

Exactly.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

With all the resources working on this case, LE should have found either the car or its owner by now.

My opinion.

and that is what tells us that this car falls outside of the definable range.

 

[EmmieA]

Regarding the individuals who entered the house last night and reading posts about US Marshals, I would not count out the possibility of US Marshals being involved...just Google US Marshals and you will see a bunch of articles just in the past few weeks regarding all the things they have been involved in, and you will see what I mean. So yes, I believe they could be brought in, if they weren't already.....but I also think maybe another victim's family may have quietly hired "outside" investigative services (MOO based on the WA license plates) and those folks needed local officials to escort them on a walk through of the crime scene. Obviously, whoever they were, they are in no way going to utter a peep to any media, nor should they. Lots of people have been in and out of that house for the past few weeks, at night, some with items removed some with nothing but what their eyes saw....none of them uttered a word to the media. Just makes sense to me. MPD are the voice of this investigation (for now).

It’s an active crime scene though - I don’t think PI’s are going to get a LE escort through that house! MOO

 

[PolarButterflie]

I want to correct what I said about the orientation of X and E's room - I think it faces east (but with trees outside). Trees will cut moonlight significantly.

If I'm calculating properly, the moon came up (in the east) at about 1 am early Saturday. So yes, there would have been *some* moonlight in at least the second floor bedroom - but filtered by tree shade (for us, that means it's still pretty dark inside).

It's really weird to even ponder that the perp might have waited for a night with 1) no parties and 2) some moonlight when 3) K was back in town.

The yellow highlight is where X's room is located based on the many floor plans and photos spread across the internet. I could be wrong. Assuming I am correct, the bedroom is actually on the Northwest corner of the second floor. I believe there is only one window in the room and it faces north. I am guessing there would be some ambient light in the room from all the surrounding homes, apartments, and street/parking lot lights.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

What you suggest is a complicated, intensive process. LE would have to compile a list of cars matching the description (from multiple sources), find current contact info for each owner, and speak with each individually. It is possible that LE are doing that at this very moment.

I think many could be ruled out, narrowed down right away, and they'd start there. it's also a crapshoot to put it out to the public and have every person who might think they know a guy calling. roll of the dice, but I'd id my most likely owners first, and work from there. wireless froze, so editing to add that it's also a complicated and intensive process to wade through all those tips, starting with wrong years and wrong models, and from all over the US. also, remember that of the
600k sold, not all are white and not all are still on the road, and some would just be easy to eliminate with a high degree of certainty. jmo

 

[human]

What you suggest is a complicated, intensive process. LE would have to compile a list of cars matching the description (from multiple sources), find current contact info for each owner, and speak with each individually. It is possible that LE are doing that at this very moment.

Thé DMV has every car. The color, the year, the model. It would take a couple of minutes to make the list. I imagine they will correlate the car with any known violators of the law to first look at possibilities

 

[OrangeRhyme]

or placed AV to monitor them... jmo

That's how he knew Kaylee was back and that the house was quiet that night.

There's so many questions which will go unanswered if nobody is arrested.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

because all cars require licensing, and large databases exist for compiling the data, and if they know the type and color of vehicle, they can find it. they know how many were made, who owns them, the ones that were totaled, etc., and that means, for this car to be unidentifiable and unable to be traced to an owner, someone either slipped through a wire or the owner doesn't know the car is gone. there are a number of posts about this earlier in the thread, but this is unusual that LE would need the public's help to ID the owners.

It's not odd for LE to request help IDing a vehicle at all. For all we know there could have been 5 other cars in the vicinity that they've already successfully IDd and this is the one that they haven't been able to ID so they are now asking for help.
It's as simple as that. And is very common in all types of cases.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

or placed AV to monitor them... jmo

Is this linked to a set of facts to follow. Like the white car, do you think the public should know about unusually placed underwear or monitoring terminals or cell phone images. Perhaps, you might suggest they trace back the signal to the exact room or device being used to monitor ? I am attempting to understand from where this all comes from ? Facts or fantasies?

 

[hopewell]

and that is what tells us that this car falls outside of the definable range.

Yeah, but if the car is un-findable then it almost certainly means this wasn't a crime committed by some aggrieved college kid or impulsive incel.

My opinion.

 

[human]

Just fyi, I’ve read every thread.

So you’re saying there is some sort of database so they have a list of every white Elantra licensed between 2011 and 2013, and they have run down every one of those since the murders that they can, and there are that many unaccounted for that they needed to ask for the public’s help in finding the one they are looking for so they can speak with the occupants?

I‘m not buying it.

Thé DMV has the database

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Thé DMV has every car. The color, the year, the model. It would take a couple of minutes to make the list. I imagine they will correlate the car with any known violators of the law to first look at possibilities

and for a little levity, imagine the quality of 1000s of the tips that would be called in imo.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Yeah, but if the car is un-findable then it almost certainly means this wasn't a crime committed by some aggrieved college kid or impulsive incel.

My opinion.

my point exactly. exactly my point. it falls outside of the definable range, and that means it slipped through one hole or another and that means planning and strategy.