ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

[Elley Mae]

Video shows Kaylee Goncalves speaking with cops 3 months before Idaho murders

Video shows Kaylee Goncalves speaking with cops 3 months before Idaho murders

Slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves is seen in newly released police video speaking to cops after neighbors complained about noise — three months before her and her roommates&#…

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[CSIDreamer]

But they said it appeared there wasn’t a break in. I believe that was early police statement. The affidavit doesn’t mention it.

On another note, While none is blaming the survivors, they could say that was enough time for someone else to enter the house. Have we seen any official documents putting time of death at 4am? We have missing info needed to really think this through.

Also could he have already been in house. Girls upstairs knew him?

Xana's stomach contents as revealed via the autopsy will be important. We've been speculating all along based off of a fact of Door Dash. In reality, we assume it was JITB. We assume she wolfed down that delivery. If she ate a meal from a 4 a.m. delivery, the evidence of what she ate and what time she died will be in her stomach contents. JMO

 

[Shamrock1]

They said no forced entry. One would assume one can still be charged with a crime, say in a robbery or burglary, even if one is able to just walk in.

Correct. Under ID law, burglary is the entry into a specified building with the intent to commit a theft or a felony. That’s it. This is different from the common law definition of burglary: breaking & entering of a dwelling place at night with the intent to commit a felony therein. Doesn’t look like there’s a breaking requirement in ID - just an entry.

Section 18-1401 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

New details on Bryan Kohberger's past from Pleasant Valley classmate, forensic psychiatrist weighs in​

• Priscilla Liguori
• January 12, 2023

BBM:

"69 News talked with renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr. Carole Lieberman about how the 28-year-old's past in Pennsylvania may have impacted his future.

"Bryan Kohberger studied the criminal mind after studying psychology because he was trying to understand himself," said Dr. Lieberman. "The more they get rejected, the more low self-esteem they develop, the more anger they develop."

The stabbings were what Dr. Lieberman calls a rage killing.

"That is why he wasn't really able to keep track of things, his DNA and the knife sheath, as well as he knew to from his studies," said Dr. Lieberman.

We'll note defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and Dr. Lieberman has closely followed the case, but not evaluated Kohberger herself.

Lieberman theorized, "he wanted to be a notorious killer, just like he was reading about in his classes."

Countless people in the Pleasant Valley schools, Northampton Community College and DeSales University communities say they're going to be following Kohberger's court proceedings closely."

New details on Bryan Kohberger's past from Pleasant Valley classmate, forensic psychiatrist weighs in

Interesting comments that many people on WS have also suggested might be some of his issues. That being said, as Dr Lieberman said, she hasn't evaluated him professionally so these are her theories. Her theories could well be true but we don't really know.

I agree that he's been trying to understand himself through his coursework in criminology.

Although she doesn't quote any research, she's suggesting that people who commit horrific murders fit the mold of "The more they get rejected, the more low self-esteem they develop, the more anger they develop."

She describes this as a rage killing and posits that all of his mistakes are related to his rage, which makes a lot of sense.

Maybe he was full of rage as well as excited by the thrill of committing this kind of monstrous mass murder.

MOO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I completely agree about the bizarre intervention.
I don't think we are blaming the professor for the murders when we note this strange group criticism could have extremely humiliatingly to someone with ego issues. It could have been perceived by the accused as organized bullying and been part or even the main thing that send him spinning down. I was a TA in two years of grad school and even in very large (75 to 125 undergrads) classes with many TAs I never even heard of anything like that.

Well-said. MOO

 

[wary]

Doesn't first degree murder include premeditation? BK has been charged with 4 counts of first degree murder AFAIK. Plus other charges I cannot recall atm.

What would prove or be considered premeditation in this case? IMHO his "survey" should be evidence.

Okay, first we always need to remember that ‘premeditation’ does not require proof of ‘preplanning.’ Say to yourself quickly and silently: “She saw me so I have to kill her.” That establishes legal premeditation.

However, turning the phone off also will establish premeditation. Turning the phone on again will indicate that he had a nefarious reason to turn it off. (One possible issue with this—if the defense can claim that he went into and left a cell tower dead zone.)

However, above all, he entered the house with a knife. And, not a folding pocketknife that someone would carry around because he likes his apples peeled! Just seeing a picture of it scares me. He climbed the stairs with it. He stood by a sleeping girl’s bedside and took it out of its sheath. As I see things, premeditation not beyond a reasonable doubt, but premeditation beyond the shadow of a doubt.

However, I don’t think that the survey is very relevant as evidence, since it was classwork for a legitimate class, approved by his professor. Definitely food for thought, though.

MOO

 

[CindybRN]

Random question: I was reading through one of the previous threads and my question is regarding the timeline and call to 911. Correct me if i’m wrong, but wasnt the 911 call placed in response to the roommate trying to wake up E? And actually, i believe friends were called prior to the police. Secondly, I believe I read that X was on the floor of the same room. So, wouldnt the roommate have to pass X before getting to E? But, roommate called friends about just E. They didnt notice that another person was lying on the floor and it was far more serious?!

 

[JTra]

His DNA on the sheath only places his DNA on the sheath.
If he says he owned it once but sold it or it was stolen from him it just places the sheath on the scene...

Yep. We'll have to wait for any corroborating evidence, like if the victims' DNA is found in his car.

 

[Mad Hettie]

Actually that is not quite true. HIPAA has nothing to do with a patients demeanour, it is about their medical record. Nothing wrong with office staff stating if a patient's demeanour was pleasant or unpleasant, etc. I have a degree in HIM and worked at a hospital.

I always understood it very differently, that we couldn't even divulge if a patient was at our facility unless we had their permission. But If you have a degree in HIM, as an RN I would be going to you for advice, so I defer to you.

 

[SharonNeedles]

IMO, remember that a fight or disagreement may have occurred at the frat house before the murders.

I have no reason to think that’s related, but I find this curious… in my own mapping doodles I wanted to know where a potential stalker would have a view of the house including the upstairs windows. This is what I came up with. And coincidentally that’s either the frat house in question or right next door.

 

[maskedwoman]

Or "Yes I had a sheath like that, I found it was too large so I sold it to some guy at school".

Who then owned it for a time, conveyed it to the apartment and murdered 4 people without adding any of his own DNA to it, while miraculously leaving mine intact? I don't think so.

 

[wary]

First degree murder, four counts. I'm not sure if Idaho needs premeditation for first degree.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger makes court appearance to face charges; held without bail

Kohberger faces four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary for his alleged involvement in the murders.

www.cbsnews.com

Lots of ways that might apply:

In section A, I think the repeated circling of the house might be considered lying in wait. Multiple stabbings and general overkill might qualify for “satisfy sadistic impulses.” And that’s before you get to premeditation, also in section A.

Some people have suggested that he ‘only’ entered the house intending to rape one of the girls. That’s covered in section D, too.

Section 18-4003 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

MOO

 

[Firstsnow4]

His DNA on the sheath only places his DNA on the sheath.
If he says he owned it once but sold it or it was stolen from him it just places the sheath on the scene...

Thanks - you explained it better than me - and the sheath didn’t kill the victims. MOO.

 

[agilbe]

Possible but I think they are really going to go after them about the time gap before the 911 call and also that they called friends first. Not sure how the jury will react.

So basically they could traumatize to already traumatized young women (also victims). I understand why it will be done, but my heart breaks for them. JMO

 

[wary]

Incredible insight with that tidbit! And believing there is NO such thing as a coincidence…JMOO

As I see it, there’s no such thing as a coincidence in a tightly plotted work of fiction. However, in real life stories, there are always many, many coincidences.

MOO

 

[laust23]

On what basis do you disagree/
Do you believe he gave permission for this information to be discussed publicly?

They didn't specify any conditions, To that he was at an appointment so I don't think it matters

(Snipped for brevity)
I agree that he felt compelled...no doubt. As to not caring about getting caught....he took actions that would indicate the contrary. When he FLED to PA, he took extraordinary action to clean the car up...and it wasn't his first attempt to do so. Then you have him changing the plates on the car as well. MOO

I don't think they're going to look at it as fleeing though. He stuck around for several weeks after..

 

[Mad Hettie]

Random question: I was reading through one of the previous threads and my question is regarding the timeline and call to 911. Correct me if i’m wrong, but wasnt the 911 call placed in response to the roommate trying to wake up E? And actually, i believe friends were called prior to the police. Secondly, I believe I read that X was on the floor of the same room. So, wouldnt the roommate have to pass X before getting to E? But, roommate called friends about just E. They didnt notice that another person was lying on the floor and it was far more serious?!

There is no mention in the affidavit of where E's body is. We also don't know the history behind the 911 phone call.

But we do know to lay off DM. She hasn't been named as a suspect and is considered a victim here.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Here is JB's live stream link:

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

I have no reason to think that’s related, but I find this curious… in my own mapping doodles I wanted to know where a potential stalker would have a view of the house including the upstairs windows. This is what I came up with. And coincidentally that’s either the frat house in question or right next door.View attachment 394841

I think there is a parking lot behind the house, bordered by trees, IIRC. That looks to have been an ideal place to stake out the house late at night/early in the a.m. under cover of dark. He could have easily parked somewhere, then walked over to that area for a closer view of the house and its inhabitants.

 

[NyxNY]

A couple of thoughts on the golf clubs. They could have been in his car or he could have kept them at Xana's because he felt they were safer there than at the fraternity house?

When police reported to the home prior to the murders on a distrubance call, there was a period where they were waiting for one of the residents to come to the door, police canvas the house while they wait. Start looking at the video below at 33:35. Police bodycam picks up a set of golf clubs through the curtains in the 1st floor spare room to the right of front door. These could be Ethan's IMO