Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[mrjitty]

Peter Faulding on BBC Breakfast was interesting. He said:

- Typically, in a drowning, bodies don’t move far from where they went into the water. He would have expected Nicola to be within a few metres of the bench area, if that’s where she went in and is really surprised she wasn’t found there, if she’s in the water

- This is one of the most baffling cases he’s seen in 20 odd years (can’t remember exact number)

- He posited the idea of the phone possibly being placed on the bench as a decoy, and considers this a valid option if he doesn’t find Nicola with his further searches today

Thanks for this update.

I find it odd him freelancing ideas outside his area of specialisation. He's been called in to help with the river search, not to speculate about other theories. He seems to be a loose cannon and I have no idea why he is even doing all this additional media instead of the proper law enforcement agency?

 

[Blamhappy]

I was thinking the same thing - are the witnesses absolutely sure they saw her? From a distance it is easy to think you see someone you know, but when you get closer you realise you are totally mistaken. The fact she was not wearing a bobble hat is worrying, if this is what the witness saw (I am not sure if they did see this - I am just wondering).

Also the phone on the bench issue, I too sometimes put my phone down next to me when handsfree. I almost left it behind on one occasion in an enclosed shopping area - I got up, walked a few yards and then realised I hadn't got my phone so turned and retrieved it. So it could have been left behind accidentally and maybe Nicola did not go in the water in that area, if in fact she went in the water at all.

I'm sure the police will have considered the possibility of mistaken identity.

 

[Detective_Popcorn]

except if the reports are correct, then it wasn’t found on the bench. It was on the floor so it doesn’t corroborate a sitting on the bench theory at all…

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

#MISSING | Have you seen Nicola Bulley, who has gone missing from home in Inskip? Nicola, 45, was last seen at around 9.15am today (Friday, January 27th) on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre. She is described as white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown...

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Police stated it was found on the bench.

 

[sriraaacha]

Re: mistaken identity... there are a few problems with it.

First of all, I doubt Willow would just wander around with a whole other person who she doesn't know or doesn't usually take her for walks. Nicola's a small woman... so the person trying to identify as her would have to be of a certain build or it would become incredibly obvious it wasn't her (plus they could literally run into her! How would they know it's gonna be from a distance that they see her?). Also is somebody REALLY going to take the risk of doing that? Dressing up in her own clothes, then walking with Willow and acting like her owner? In an area where people know her and see her regularly?

I think this is a bit of reaching now...

 

[San111]

Hasn't this guy completely covered himself? First of all he doesn't think Nicola's in the river, then he's as sure as the police that she is, now he doesn't think she is again and if he doesn't find her today then he's sure she's not in there...?

Like I get there are still a bunch of possibilities to search through. But he has changed his mind every single day he's spoken. That's not only harrowing for the family, but also creating so much confusion re: the case in general.

Quite odd behaviour. You'd think he'd complete his own search before giving any strong opinions. Whatever happened we're dealing with a highly unlikely turn of events

 

[cuecard]

Police must be tearing their hair out with PF the leader of the diving unit. “If NB is not in that stretch of the river today then my view is there could be a third party involved and this was a decoy place by the river.” If you feel that way by all means share it privately with LE but to put it out live on a well watched breakfast show knowing the coverage this case is getting and knowing people will run riot with the comment just feels very amateurish.

 

[Ironside]

Thanks for this update.

I find it odd him freelancing ideas outside his area of specialisation. He's been called in to help with the river search, not to speculate about other theories. He seems to be a loose cannon and I have no idea why he is even doing all this additional media instead of the proper law enforcement agency?

He’s just trying to raise his profile. I live near a river that people sadly often end up in and I’ve never ever heard the volunteer searchers here speculate. They just quietly and respectfully get on with searching - sometimes for weeks.

 

[suzyjackson]

Thank you. I guess I just was wondering about the witnesses because we know sometimes witnesses get it wrong, even though they thought it was correct. For example, a bank robbery might have 12 witnesses, but 12 different descriptions of the robber. I'm just puzzled if she is not in the water, but I guess everyone else is too...

I dont know if witness is the right word as no one saw what happened but if you're talking about the people who saw her on the walk including people she knew then we have to believe they know that they spoke to her or the whole thing becomes nonsense
JMO

 

[LuluR38]

We will never know exactly what happened, but my guess is NB was making her way down the bank to the water for some reason. In this case, you definitely would not want the phone in your hand, the bank is steep enough you would want your hands free in case you slipped. And you would not want the phone in your pocket in case it muffled the call (there has been a suggestion that she listened to conference calls on speaker mode) or to ensure a clear data signal etc. Plus its a quiet rural location, and evidently no one else was around.

If you are about to do something even slightly risky that could result in you ending up in water, pretty much the first thing anyone would do immediately before this is put their phone somewhere safe. It's almost instinctive. To me, phone being found on the bench is totally consistent with NB taking a risk by clambering down the bank for something and then falling. Misadventure IMO.

The floor is not a safe place to put a phone… no one has confirmed it was found on the bench. not even police.

 

[LuluR38]

The floor is not a safe place to put a phone… no one has confirmed it was found on the bench. not even police.

You’re basing your whole theory on evidence which doesn’t to any ones knowledge exist. No evidence she was there. People who passed by what couod only have been a brief time later heard nothing, no dog barks, no screams, no shouts etc but found the items on the floor. A phone on a bench that apparently another dog Walker put there after finding it on the floor about two feet from the bench… one found the lead and harness, another found the phone if the reports in the press are correct. The police also changed what they said - it is found in the area of the bench. Not on. <modsnip: no source link for photo>

 

[LuluR38]

You’re basing your whole theory on evidence which doesn’t to any ones knowledge exist. No evidence she was there. People who passed by what couod only have been a brief time later heard nothing, no dog barks, no screams, no shouts etc but found the items on the floor. A phone on a bench that apparently another dog Walker put there after finding it on the floor about two feet from the bench… one found the lead and harness, another found the phone if the reports in the press are correct. The police also changed what they said - it is found in the area of the bench. Not on. <modsnip: no source link>

I do hope they recorded whatever shoe prints were in the mud around thay bench, pretty basic way to see if she was there / headed to the riverside as they know what shoes she had on …

 

[LuluR38]

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

#MISSING | Have you seen Nicola Bulley, who has gone missing from home in Inskip? Nicola, 45, was last seen at around 9.15am today (Friday, January 27th) on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre. She is described as white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown...

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Police stated it was found on the bench.

They stated it was found at the bench. if you listen to a press conference she changes very subtlety what she says.

 

[Quietey]

Are there places where the river is wider and can be more easily crossed, ie by wading? Is it possible that NB could have crossed the river, or been taken across the river, and this is why there is no evidence of her leaving the area?

 

[I wonder]

JMO

I have been thinking about this non-stop. Have two little children myself and it breaks my heart.

Just occurred to me, is there any way she went in to the water but managed to drag herself out somewhere further along but unfortunately was hypothermic or somehow incapacitated. Only because the search is focused on the water itself, but she may have managed to get out somehow.

JMO IMO

The police have obviously searched the bank and there are numerous photos of them doing so. There's also a lot of volunteers helping look for Nicola. They're searching a large area, with a lot of police officers involved. The police you have seen in the water are not the only police officers involved in this case.

They have messed up in some ways, but are not completely useless. The boots on the ground are working very hard and may differ in opinion to how the public side of this is being conducted.

JMO MOO

 

[SanT88]

JMO

I have been thinking about this non-stop. Have two little children myself and it breaks my heart.

Just occurred to me, is there any way she went in to the water but managed to drag herself out somewhere further along but unfortunately was hypothermic or somehow incapacitated. Only because the search is focused on the water itself, but she may have managed to get out somehow.

JMO IMO

Yes I wonder how much of the banks and surround areas they’ve searched thoroughly. Surely they must have and with dogs? Plus the amount of people searching would have seen something of merit in bushes/overgrowth etc. really hope her family get answers soon.

 

[Detective_Popcorn]

They stated it was found at the bench. if you listen to a press conference she changes very subtlety what she says.

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

#MISSING | Have you seen Nicola Bulley, who has gone missing from home in Inskip? Nicola, 45, was last seen at around 9.15am today (Friday, January 27th) on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre. She is described as white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown...

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She says throughout the phone was ON the bench. Read the transcript.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

#MISSING | Have you seen Nicola Bulley, who has gone missing from home in Inskip? Nicola, 45, was last seen at around 9.15am today (Friday, January 27th) on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre. She is described as white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown...

www.websleuths.com

Police stated it was found on the bench.

The original reports said it was found on the floor, it was spotted by a man who came through the gate.

Missing mum of two seen 'laughing and joking' moments before she disappeared

Nicola Bulley, 45, disappeared while out on a dog walk last Friday morning after dropping her children at school in St Michael's-on-Wyre, Lancashire, before police launched a major search operation

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Dougal]

Has there been any one checking the pub the grapes ... I know it was too early to be open but any delivery people ?

 

[DazN]

She says throughout the phone was ON the bench. Read the transcript.

"the last confirmed sighting and at 9:20, when Nicola's phone was found on the bench... sorry, not found on the bench, Nicola's phone was on the bench believed to be on the bench found at around 9:33"

From the transcript:

Reporter - How was the phone known to be on the bench at 9:20 exactly?

Superintendent - Through telephony enquiries that we've done, relative to the phone itself, rather than through a witness.

Reporter - So it wasn't (inaudible)?

Superintendent - No.


They don't ever say it was definitely found ON the bench.

 

[PeggyHenry]

I feel they’re looking in the entirely wrong place and the phone is a distraction and is drawing people to a place where she perhaps never was (we have no evidence she was there at all). I note from a previous article that her husband went off to look at an ‘abandoned house’ himself before a search meeting at the village hall. What was the significance of this place (Between the village hall and the llama farm?). why search there When it’s no where near… I’ve looked at the Google maps to see & it appears to be industrial / maybe farm type area, I couldn’t tell if there was a lake area, maybe police need to widen their search area if her partner felt that was a necessary / suitable place to search and they need to also look round there?

Agree. I think there’s a possibility the focus has been in the wrong place due to the items on the bench. I think she encountered or met someone and was deviated from normal route. The focus should be where there is no cctv. We know she loaded car and parked at the school.