Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

[Sherl]

Popular is a relative term, though. It's a popular dog walking area but it's in a small village, so there are bound to be times when it's quite busy and other times when it's very quiet. If most people in the village take their dog for a walk first thing in the morning, it might then be very quiet for a few hours afterward.

Yes I can imagine busy prior to working hours but quiet after that. I still think 90 minutes is a long time without anyone else there.

 

[Lovely Jubbly]

Someone else may have mentioned it already, but the thought occurred to me that she might have disappeared from the top field, not the bench area at all. The last sighting of her was up in the top field.

What if her phone and the lead were placed there to give the impression she might have accidently slipped into the river? The phone was moved to the bench at that time, but who is to say she put it there? She might have already been on her work call, and assumably distracted with that. She mightn't have noticed someone approaching her from behind?

Apologies if this has already been suggested.

 

[Luxee]

Sincere apologies if this has already been detailed but what were the circumstances of her phone and dog being discovered?
The information as I understand it is lady found phone and dog circa 9.30, rang vet then rang daughter who knew Nicola (after lady looked at phone), daughter called school to alert them. Lady tied dog up and left. Dog left on own for 90 minutes approx.
I just think having found a distressed dog and phone with someone clearly awol I'd have been inclined to dial 999 and definitely not leave the dog.

Below is a link to the latest Lancs Police timeline and press release. All the known, released by LE, facts can be found in it.

Lancashire Constabulary - Nicola Bulley Missing Person Investigation

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

www.lancashire.police.uk

 

[Andreee]

Someone else may have mentioned it already, but the thought occurred to me that she might have disappeared from the top field, not the bench area at all. The last sighting of her was up in the top field.

What if her phone and the lead were placed there to give the impression she might have accidently slipped into the river? The phone was moved to the bench at that time, but who is to say she put it there? She might have already been on her work call, and assumably distracted with that. She mightn't have noticed someone approaching her from behind?

Apologies if this has already been suggested.

It has been suggested, and could still be a possibility IMO.

 

[annpats]

Could it have been a caution?

Only if a crime had been committed. And wouldn't there have had to have been an arrest first? Cautions aren't issued straight away on the spot, like a fine.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[SpideySense]

I just need to get clarification on something, because I’m wondering if assumptions are being made that may not be accurate: have LE or family reported anything specifically mentioning depression or possibility of suicide?

The reason I ask is because my understanding of perimenopause and menopause is that it’s a vulnerable time for women to experience a wide array of mental health issues, even if they’ve never experienced them before or only in mild forms. Mood disorders (depression, bipolar disorder, and anxiety) are one category of mental illness that may be exacerbated or have first onset during this period, but psychotic disorders like schizophrenia are another.

AFAIK, NB reportedly had vulnerabilities related to menopause and alcohol. Her family has reported that she suffered substantial negative effects from menopause including “brain fog,” then stopped taking HRT cold turkey because of severe headaches. They’ve stated that this abrupt cessation of HRT may have led to the current “crisis.”

With respect to the January 10 welfare check, my recollection is that LE stated no arrests were made, but that the matter was still being investigated.

**A different purely speculative take**

Maybe NB was not depressed or suicidal, but instead extremely anxious or experiencing psychosis-like symptoms. Maybe the January 10 visit was due to a panic attack, or paranoid delusions. Maybe she had expressed ideas or actions that involved harming someone not herself.

If abruptly stopping the HRT and the resulting sudden drop in estrogen led to a psychiatric crisis, for all we know, that crisis might have been related to manic, schizoid, or anxious delusional beliefs about PA, her family, or her children.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is, rather than being depressed or suicidal, is it possible NB developed ideas that led her to believe she needed to “escape” from people who might harm her, to plan that escape to avoid detection while operating under these delusions, even to secret away food and necessities in some location? Might she have left her phone so as not to be tracked? Might LE’s phrasing that they believed she “entered the river” be an indication she wanted to throw off scent hounds for a good distance? Could she be somewhere in an abandoned house actively trying to hide from authorities, who might be part of some imagined conspiracy?

PA’s recent interview wherein he says something like he wants every place within a certain area searched top to bottom makes sense to me if he believes she may be avoiding detection due to irrational beliefs.

MOO

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Yes I can imagine busy prior to working hours but quiet after that. I still think 90 minutes is a long time without anyone else there.

Perhaps other dog walkers did see the phone and Willow, and perhaps they did report it. But the LP may not have included them in the official timeline because it's not very important to the course of events.

If they already knew the time when the phone was placed on the bench (9.20) and when Willow and the phone were first spotted with no sign of NB (9.33am), would it matter very much if other witnesses came along later and saw the exact same thing? I may be in the minority on this, but I'd argue that it probably doesn't.

 

[rosieposie121]

I just need to get clarification on something, because I’m wondering if assumptions are being made that may not be accurate: have LE or family reported anything specifically mentioning depression or possibility of suicide?

The reason I ask is because my understanding of perimenopause and menopause is that it’s a vulnerable time for women to experience a wide array of mental health issues, even if they’ve never experienced them before or only in mild forms. Mood disorders (depression, bipolar disorder, and anxiety) are one category of mental illness that may be exacerbated or have first onset during this period, but psychotic disorders like schizophrenia are another.

AFAIK, NB reportedly had vulnerabilities related to menopause and alcohol. Her family has reported that she suffered substantial negative effects from menopause including “brain fog,” then stopped taking HRT cold turkey because of severe headaches. They’ve stated that this abrupt cessation of HRT may have led to the current “crisis.”

With respect to the January 10 welfare check, my recollection is that LE stated no arrests were made, but that the matter was still being investigated.

**A different purely speculative take**

Maybe NB was not depressed or suicidal, but instead extremely anxious or experiencing psychosis-like symptoms. Maybe the January 10 visit was due to a panic attack, or paranoid delusions. Maybe she had expressed ideas or actions that involved harming someone not herself.

If abruptly stopping the HRT and the resulting sudden drop in estrogen led to a psychiatric crisis, for all we know, that crisis might have been related to manic, schizoid, or anxious delusional beliefs about PA, her family, or her children.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is, rather than being depressed or suicidal, is it possible NB developed ideas that led her to believe she needed to “escape” from people who might harm her, to plan that escape to avoid detection while operating under these delusions, even to secret away food and necessities in some location? Might she have left her phone so as not to be tracked? Might LE’s phrasing that they believed she “entered the river” be an indication she wanted to throw off scent hounds for a good distance? Could she be somewhere in an abandoned house actively trying to hide from authorities, who might be part of some imagined conspiracy?

MOO

Interesting notion.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I just need to get clarification on something, because I’m wondering if assumptions are being made that may not be accurate: have LE or family reported anything specifically mentioning depression or possibility of suicide?

The reason I ask is because my understanding of perimenopause and menopause is that it’s a vulnerable time for women to experience a wide array of mental health issues, even if they’ve never experienced them before or only in mild forms. Mood disorders (depression, bipolar disorder, and anxiety) are one category of mental illness that may be exacerbated or have first onset during this period, but psychotic disorders like schizophrenia are another.

AFAIK, NB reportedly had vulnerabilities related to menopause and alcohol. Her family has reported that she suffered substantial negative effects from menopause including “brain fog,” then stopped taking HRT cold turkey because of severe headaches. They’ve stated that this abrupt cessation of HRT may have led to the current “crisis.”

With respect to the January 10 welfare check, my recollection is that LE stated no arrests were made, but that the matter was still being investigated.

**A different purely speculative take**

Maybe NB was not depressed or suicidal, but instead extremely anxious or experiencing psychosis-like symptoms. Maybe the January 10 visit was due to a panic attack, or paranoid delusions. Maybe she had expressed ideas or actions that involved harming someone not herself.

If abruptly stopping the HRT and the resulting sudden drop in estrogen led to a psychiatric crisis, for all we know, that crisis might have been related to manic, schizoid, or anxious delusional beliefs about PA, her family, or her children.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is, rather than being depressed or suicidal, is it possible NB developed ideas that led her to believe she needed to “escape” from people who might harm her, to plan that escape to avoid detection while operating under these delusions, even to secret away food and necessities in some location? Might she have left her phone so as not to be tracked? Might LE’s phrasing that they believed she “entered the river” be an indication she wanted to throw off scent hounds for a good distance? Could she be somewhere in an abandoned house actively trying to hide from authorities, who might be part of some imagined conspiracy?

MOO

I hear what you're saying but if we were all to speculate what may have happened to NB, then there'd be thousands of different ideas and stories about what could happen to a woman who took her kids to school and has never been seen since.

As far as information released by LE, we have certainly not been told that NB was suicidal or severely mentally ill and there's nothing to suggest she disappeared herself. Personally, my forms of speculation lean in quite the opposite direction and are more in line with 'what usually happens to women'. This is why my personal feelings are that the info released was somewhat loaded and victim blaming.

It's almost as if we the public are being told to accept a narrative and drop the case. The police are saying they'll be withdrawing resources soon but they only ever went down one line of enquiry and it seems to have been the incorrect one so as opposed to withdrawing shouldn't they surely be putting all that energy in the other directions?

 

[Sillybilly]

Is this not clear?

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[SpideySense]

I hear what you're saying but if we were all to speculate what may have happened to NB, then there'd be thousands of different ideas and stories about what could happen to a woman who took her kids to school and has never been seen since.

As far as information released by LE, we have certainly not been told that NB was suicidal or severely mentally ill and there's nothing to suggest she disappeared herself. Personally, my forms of speculation lean in quite the opposite direction and are more in line with 'what usually happens to women'. This is why my personal feelings are that the info released was somewhat loaded and victim blaming.

It's almost as if we the public are being told to accept a narrative and drop the case. The police are saying they'll be withdrawing resources soon but they only ever went down one line of enquiry and it seems to have been the incorrect one so as opposed to withdrawing shouldn't they surely be putting all that energy in the other directions?

Agreed, and my point was really about other mental health issues related to menopause that are just as common as, but that are not, depression or depressive thoughts.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Can anyone help me out? I know the timeline has been published and rehashed and questioned. But in everyone's opinion - who was the last person to see NB after she dropped her kids off that already *knew* NB and was certain it was her?

We keep hearing she walked here and she went there but effectively the path often being talked about is where her phone went. Have we ever had it really verified who saw her last that can say it was certainly her?

 

[TGIRecovered]

My concern is that if a woman is attacked, kidnapped, and disposed of or simply missing under strange circumstances and she happens to have hormonal issues or an alleged substance abuse problem, does that make it okay for LE to assume she caused her own death/disappearance and close the investigation? Absolutely not! MOO

 

[Lilbitcurious]

They do have a toilet block according to someone who left a review. Link below.Wyreside Caravan Park Revie

Possibly! I was wondering is Garstang Road a long road? Is New Garstang Rd part of Garstang road? Do any of you know how many caravan parks there are in that area of Preston/Inskip? There are a couple that only come up when using postal code? I don’t know the area and I’m trying to get better knowledge

 

[JennieM]

My concern is that if a woman is attacked, kidnapped, and disposed of or simply missing under strange circumstances and she happens to have hormonal issues or an alleged substance abuse problem, does that make it okay for LE to assume she caused her own death/disappearance and close the investigation? Absolutely not! MOO

No, of course not. All avenues should be looked into. But in this case they have yet to find 3rd party involvement. Hopefully they are still keeping all hypotheses open.

 

[JennieM]

Possibly! I was wondering is Garstang Road a long road? Is New Garstang Rd part of Garstang road? Do any of you know how many caravan parks there are in that area of Preston/Inskip? There are a couple that only come up when using postal code? I don’t know the area and I’m trying to get better knowledge

Check out the link I posted earlier, it's really comprehensive and also has an interactive map:

Where is Nicola Bulley? Interactive map reveals every clue

Nicola Bulley vanished without a trace while walking her dog in the tiny village of St Michael's on Wyre on January 27. Now, a new interactive map has been created to show the key moments in the case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It also has many clear images of the area and of Garstang Road.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Check out the link I posted earlier, it's really comprehensive and also has an interactive map:

Where is Nicola Bulley? Interactive map reveals every clue

Nicola Bulley vanished without a trace while walking her dog in the tiny village of St Michael's on Wyre on January 27. Now, a new interactive map has been created to show the key moments in the case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It also has many clear images of the area and of Garstang Road.

Thank you! I was kind of hoping for a bit further afield…, I’m looking into something

 

[JennieM]

Thank you! I was kind of hoping for a bit further afield…, I’m looking into something

Did you try google maps?

 

[Luxee]

Can anyone help me out? I know the timeline has been published and rehashed and questioned. But in everyone's opinion - who was the last person to see NB after she dropped her kids off that already *knew* NB and was certain it was her?

We keep hearing she walked here and she went there but effectively the path often being talked about is where her phone went. Have we ever had it really verified who saw her last that can say it was certainly her?

Below is a link to the most recent Lancs Police press release and timeline, 15 Februar.
The timeline in this link shows 9.10am NB is seen by someone who knows her. It’s all there in the link.

Lancashire Constabulary - Nicola Bulley Missing Person Investigation

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

www.lancashire.police.uk