NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[10ofRods]

LM injured himself on his very first time surfing, at a beginner's lesson (likely in Honolulu/Waikiki - as Waikiki is a world famous beginner's spot and that's where he was living, along with the friends who apparently went with him).
That was the first and only time he went surfing, according to MSM. He didn't realize how exerting surfing can be (he probably over-extended his spine while his legs were more or less pressed into position on the surfboard, surfing really flexes that lower back).

How a Freak Accident Turned Luigi Mangione Into a Vengeful Murder Suspect

Luigi Mangione appeared to be living the dream when he moved to Honolulu to spend six months at a $2,000-a-month beach community. From a prominent Baltimore family, he was the valedictorian of his class at the prestigious Gilman School and passed with flying colors from his graduating class at...

www.yahoo.com

I don't know that it was a "freak accident" as much as it would be something a young person wouldn't expect to have happen, even with a history of spondy.

<modsnip: discussing family>

Luigi Mangione’s sprawling family found success after patriarch’s rise

The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in 2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes and radio stations while supporting an array of civic causes.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

 

[Kapua]

ITA- my “eat my hat” was in reply to the initial poster asking if anyone thinks he’ll plead guilty. I’ve been wrong plenty lol. Do you think he’d plead?

I think he will plead guilty if his attorney successfully bargains for some kind of reduced sentence. And I have been wrong plenty of times, too. OTOH, if he's really trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame and turn this into a huge courtroom drama ala OJ or Scott Peterson, he'll go for the jury trial.

MOO

 

[nodamselindistress]

Often when a jury reaches a verdict we don't agree with, we say something along the lines of "I guess they needed to see a video of the crime". Going to be so interesting to see this case play out since in this case, they DO have a video of the crime!

 

[airportwoman]

My eyes cross a bit when I see that someone has claimed to have chronic Lyme disease, because while I don't doubt that it probably exists, that doctors often refuse to continue treating anyone who claims that they, or their children, have it speaks volumes to me.

I have personally known people who had diagnosed Lyme disease, and it's not a fun experience and can have sequelae, which isn't the same thing.

 

[CityKid]

The grandmother of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione left her family at least $30 million in her will — but specified that anyone “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony” would be cut out.

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

That sounds like such a weird thing to put in a will. I wonder when it was written? <modsnip: encourages the sleuthing of family members outside what is published in the MSM relating to this case>

 

[10ofRods]

Unbelievable.

I just have an aching back from time to time, but reading so many terrible stories here, from fellow posters who are really suffering from painful conditions, this part makes me so angry.

A hike through Japan’s mountain ranges? How does that correlate with a back so badly messed up that he was in constant pain? That his life was short-circuited due to his condition, which he exacerbated by surfing? Which then allegedly became worse when he slipped on a piece of paper?

I see the X-ray, so I know something was in fact wrong, but it’s clear proof that he did have surgical intervention.

The rest is on him, IMO. I think physical intimacy would require less strain than hiking mountains. He could make adjustments during sex but you cannot avoid stressing your back while mountain-climbing.

From what I’ve read here, we have members who have terrible pain just getting through a day.

It’s ego and not pain IMO that led him to cut down BT. A yearning to once again be somebody, even if no one knew his identity.

JMO

Sexual dysfunction is actually a side effect both of the spondy and of the procedure he had that was supposed to fix it. It causes lack of nerve transmission to the erogenous zones, causes incontinence and numbness, so that neither an erection nor pleasure can be derived from regular sex. I know people keep saying such persons "can have sex," but the world is filled with people who would truly miss their own ability to experience pleasure. The work-arounds aren't exactly the same.

I agree with you about the mountain hiking/climbing (I think it was hiking in Japan's mountains, not climbing). The spondy makes the glutes and the back of the leg muscles much weaker/less responsive. OTOH, my own physical therapist worked hard to get me to be able to do stairs again. The most important aspect of recovery is to strengthen the abs and the core muscles, though (as Luigi clearly did, esp as compared to me!)

I learned the hard way that as my condition worsened, stairs and uphill walks are pretty daunting. But I think most people keep trying, because that's what most physical therapists and orthopedic docs tell us to do.

I should say that the surgery *can* cause such symptoms, obviously. More than 80% of people who had the surgery (in the study below) had sexual dysfunction of varying degree.

Sexual Dysfunction: Prevalence and Prognosis in Patients... : Neurosurgery

total of 218 patients who underwent surgery for grade 1 degenerative lumbar spondylolisthesis were included who were sexually active. Sex life was assessed by Oswestry Disability Index item 8 at baseline and 24-mo follow-up. RESULTS Mean age was 58.0 ± 11.0 yr, and 108 (49.5%) patients were...

journals.lww.com

 

[Big Ears]

Mangione's notes on back pain and his injury, found under a Goodreads Book review. His Goodreads page and booklist is now set to private. What Can We Learn From the C.E.O. Shooting Suspect’s Goodreads History?

 

[Big Ears]

Police Say Suspect’s Notebook Described Rationale for C.E.O. Killing. “It’s targeted, precise and doesn’t risk innocents,” said a sentence in a spiral notebook belonging to the man charged with murdering Brian Thompson. The notebook described going to a conference and killing an executive, the officials said. “What do you do? You wack the C.E.O. at the annual parasitic bean-counter convention. It’s targeted, precise, and doesn’t risk innocents,” was one passage written in the notebook, the officials said.​

Source: Police Have Luigi Mangione’s Notebook Describing Rationale for UHC CEO Killing

 

[OneLove]

Yes... but the 24%, because they had each other, could really get angry about it... rather, than say, so despondent and depressed to cause self harm or hard in general.
I still believe we have not found out what the "actual trigger" is/was.

100% agreed on not yet knowing what the trigger was. With what we know to date so far (which is incomplete with huge vacant gaps), I would lean toward a probability of both physical & mental disease coupled with an isolation that allowed the extent of his downward spiral to be unnoticed and unchecked. I'm guessing pain, deep disappointment with his physical deterioration, a long simmering concern with social injustices, perhaps a bit of narcissistic personality syndrome, automatic funding that simply shows up in his financial accounts with no accountability, no continuity of close relationships, worsening neural Lyme Disease (which can only be diagnosed by examining spinal fluid via spinal tap which is very rarely done and almost certainly would be denied coverage by health insurance & therefore providers also), glutamate toxicity from extreme high glutamate both naturally occurring & through additives in packaged foods and "fast" foods, mushrooms being one of the highest glutamate foods on earth, and fundamental brain changes from hallucinogenics and possibly other drugs commonly used to self medicate and championed by some high profile billionaire bros & politicos, and voilà, we have the most vicious perfect storm of all time. His mitigating factors far far outweigh the "twinkie" guy who killed Harvey Milk in San Francisco decades ago.

Again, I am NOT supporting Luigi's actions nor have I seen ANYONE here at WS's do that in the slightest. "Understanding" is not synonymous with "excusing". If we do not seek to understand, we are doomed to repeat until we do. It is the same with if we do not LEARN from history, we are doomed to repeat it. There will always be unthinking thoughtless mob mentalities that congregate at scenes of horror chanting "hang him, hang him" without even being curious about evidence as will there be those who cry "lawbreaker" at crimes they don't like and cheer for other crimes their emotions filter like a specially curated personal shopping list.

 

[willenollie]

Does anyone know the name of the doctor or coroner who ruled the cause of death of Brian Thompson?

 

[jackornaught]

As smart as he was, he seemed underemployed to me. The kid could have been a rock star. With credentials like his, I think someone would have snapped this brainiac up in a heartbeat. If he chose his job because of the lifestyle he wanted to live, I think he could have applied and been hired in any number of positions after the layoffs. Valedictorian at his private high school, undergrad and Masters from UPenn, a family that could probably pull in a favor for an interview in any number of industries. Not to mention the family business, where he might actually be part of this health care industry that he found so flawed. There’s a backstory and it isn’t his back.

How smart can you be to do what he did? I understand where you are coming from, but his logic is warped. But then again, Edmund Kemper was brilliant.

SMH, disgraceful. IMO.

“A self-described socialist professor at the University of Pennsylvania seemingly celebrated the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in now-deleted social media posts that embraced accused killer Luigi Mangione as an “icon.”

“Julia Alekseyeva, an assistant professor of English and Cinema & Media Studies at the Ivy League school, who goes by “The Soviette” on social media, posted a video to TikTok of her smiling as the song “Do You Hear the People Sing?” from the musical “Les Misérables” played. “

“The since-deleted post, made after the alleged assassin was taken into custody Monday, was captioned: “Have never been prouder to be a professor at the University of P3nnsylvania (sic).””

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/socialist-upenn-professor-hides-social-media-after-celebratory-post-about-ceo-murder-suspect-goes-viral/I’m

Oh it's not just this professor. At least two politicians have also expressed "Understanding". for the crime.

 

[JennieM]

Luigi Mangione Was Never a UnitedHealthcare Client: Police​

Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was never a client of UnitedHealthcare, a senior New York City police official said on Thursday.

In an interview with NBC New York, New York Police Department (NYPD) Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Mangione, 26, may have singled out Thompson due to the size of UnitedHealthcare.

Kenny added that investigators found evidence that Mangione knew of UnitedHealthcare's annual investor conference in New York City. He also said the suspect mentioned the medical insurance company in a note that was found in his possession when he was taken into police custody in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

Luigi Mangione was never a UnitedHealthcare client: Police

A senior police official said the suspected killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was not a client of the medical insurer.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Chimera]

Ooo... I have good reason to be very interested in the research of injustice collectors. Is there something in Luigi's history that leads you to believe he is other than this one issue?

Good question and tbh it's somewhat vague, other than he wanted to make a far reaching and violent statement ?
Bits and pieces of LM's writings and posts are emerging.
Still waiting to see if his medical records showing a pain prescrip. or some other possible mental issue -- exacerbated his anger against UH ?
Also, when I say 'injustice collector' I'm thinking it could cover a myriad of issues he was upset about.
Still can't take your grievance to the level that LM did, as (imo) it cancels out your cause when you hurt/kill other people.
Omo.

 

[Inthedetails]

Police Say Suspect’s Notebook Described Rationale for C.E.O. Killing. “It’s targeted, precise and doesn’t risk innocents,” said a sentence in a spiral notebook belonging to the man charged with murdering Brian Thompson. ​

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LM is not a one-man jury who gets to decide who is not innocent and deserves to be gunned down on a city sidewalk.

I know we all know that, but I expect the Fan Club will praise how thoughtful he was to avoid "innocents."

jmo

 

[bestill]

The grandmother of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione left her family at least $30 million in her will — but specified that anyone “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony” would be cut out.

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

That sounds like such a weird thing to put in a will. I wonder when it was written? <modsnip>

From reading about the family in the press I believe their image and legacy are very important to them. Restrictions like the one mentioned would control that. She didn't even care if it is charged and not found guilty, very restrictive. We all know that people of means know how to use power to get what they want. I posted earlier that I can only imagine how disgusted the rest of the family must be to see their family business in the media. I would love to read the actual document.

All jmo

 

[mrstfs]

If he's not specifically in the will, I don't think rules can be placed on the actual heirs re who they leave their $$ to. Jmo

The report says the wording in the trust includes “any lineal descendant". My trust attorney once told me that trustees have a certain amount of discretion so I think there’s a good chance this could be enforced.

 

[sds71]

San Francisco police recognized the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan as possibly being Luigi Mangione four days before the suspect’s high-profile arrest and contacted the FBI, two sources familiar with the matter told the Chronicle

However, the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said that an officer in SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione as the suspect on Dec. 5 — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face.

<modsnip: copyright>

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sfpd-identification-19976578.php

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Unbelievable.

I just have an aching back from time to time, but reading so many terrible stories here, from fellow posters who are really suffering from painful conditions, this part makes me so angry.

A hike through Japan’s mountain ranges? How does that correlate with a back so badly messed up that he was in constant pain? That his life was short-circuited due to his condition, which he exacerbated by surfing? Which then allegedly became worse when he slipped on a piece of paper?

I see the X-ray, so I know something was in fact wrong, but it’s clear proof that he did have surgical intervention.

The rest is on him, IMO. I think physical intimacy would require less strain than hiking mountains. He could make adjustments during sex but you cannot avoid stressing your back while mountain-climbing.

From what I’ve read here, we have members who have terrible pain just getting through a day.

It’s ego and not pain IMO that led him to cut down BT. A yearning to once again be somebody, even if no one knew his identity.

JMO

Thanks, Arkay, for your post. Your last 2 sentences could well be significant in what led LM to murder BT, the CEO of UHC:

"It’s ego and not pain IMO that led him to cut down BT. A yearning to once again be somebody, even if no one knew his identity."

Seems spot on and quite plausible:

IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

San Francisco police recognized the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan as possibly being Luigi Mangione four days before the suspect’s high-profile arrest and contacted the FBI, two sources familiar with the matter told the Chronicle

However, the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said that an officer in SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione as the suspect on Dec. 5 — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face.

<modsnip: copyright>

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sfpd-identification-19976578.php

So Mayor Adams might have been right when he said NYPD had a name?

jmo

 

[sas0807]

San Francisco police recognized the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan as possibly being Luigi Mangione four days before the suspect’s high-profile arrest and contacted the FBI, two sources familiar with the matter told the Chronicle

However, the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said that an officer in SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione as the suspect on Dec. 5 — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face.

<modsnip: copyright>

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sfpd-identification-19976578.php

IMO it's wild that the SFPD able to identify him so quickly but literally nobody who knew him well was able to do so (as far as we know).