GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #22

[suzihawk]

I don't know if I should post this, since it HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the media, but YouTube has just reported that:

"Peter De Vries has reported DNA of Joran Van Der Sloot was found on the body of a dead teen involved in sex trade prostiution in Thailand.....The Girl died in 2008, but the DNA match of Van der sloot was just confirmed by Police detectives in Thailand"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k

(Moderators - please delete if this violates TOS)

Interesting! Who is this guy on you tube? I'd feel better about his report if he could pronounce at least one of the player's names correctly. (Nitpicky, I know.)

Nothing on Peter de Vries web site regarding this, that I can tell.

 

[FLNY]

WOW!! Can we find this in print anywhere?

I've been checking the Dutch and Thai news reports on the web and can't find this reported anywhere so far.....I wonder were this guy got the info...maybe a radio broadcast??

 

[suzihawk]

Mother of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot thinks so is a murderer and never come to him to Peru if convicted for the crime of Stephany Flores

http://translate.google.com/transla...-por-el-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores&sl=es&tl=en

 

[FLNY]

I do find it interesting however that they didn't ask EG in his statement where he was that night. What was his alibi? Was he at the casino? It's been reported that he was. What time did he leave and was he asleep in his room when this happened? What was his room number? I can see where Joran's defence would want to focus on him. Although I think that they might have been so confident in the video surveillance footage that they didn't feel they needed to bother. I'm sure there is footage of him returning to the hotel and going to his room as well.

Here's something interesting that they DID ask Garcia, but has not been reported anywhere. It's about Stephany's car...from Elton Garcia's Statement:

"7. If it has knowledge that vehicle was possessing do I her present myself of Stephany also, added, if you, in some opportunity he led the above mentioned vehicle?
[Garcia]: That I have no knowledge that this person has had vehicle, it is more, never and led some vehicle in Lima.

8. If it are true, that 28May2010, you were inside the vehicle of Badge AIB-533, of being like that, indicate the places and in company of which it presents itself.
[Garcia]: That I have never been inside the vehicle that is mentioned."

I think in (7) they are asking if Garcia had ever driven her vehicle and in (8) if he had been inside it.....he denies both.

I wonder why they asked these questions, when they didn't ask the obvious questions as stated by Kamille above. What happened on May 28???

RadarOnline article with link to his statement:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ness-thought-murder-madman-had-been-kidnapped

Garcia's Statement in Spanish:
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/ Joran Van Der Sloot Witness docs.pdf

I can't find an English translation anywhere. I put questions 7 and 8 through an online translator. I haven't figured out how to translate the entire document, since it's a PDF. If anyone has an English translation, can you please post it? TIA

Info on JVDS leaving in Stephany's vehicle.... with same plate no. as in Garcia's statement: "The murderer approached the Jeep , Cherokee, A1B -533 plate , black, Stephanie Flores and then left in the passage Jorge Chavez, Surco."

http://translate.google.com/transla...ne/Html/2010-06-02/ontractualidad1092456.html

Sure seems like there is still a lot that we don't know!!!

 

[i.b.nora]

I've been checking the Dutch and Thai news reports on the web and can't find this reported anywhere so far.....I wonder were this guy got the info...maybe a radio broadcast??

Maybe he got it directly from God.

Here Paul Begley (the reporter) is guest preaching (five parts) at the Liberty Chapel Church in Dowagiac, Michigan. This is part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1JaITRYE4QY&feature=related

Maybe we should be a little more discriminating about the kinds of 'news reports' we cite here. Otherwise this is of how rumors get started, seems to me.

 

[Kamille]

That is very interesting FLNY that they asked EG about being in the vehicle on the 28th of May. Joran supposedly admitted that he had met Stephany on or about the 27th. Perhaps a witness came forward who indicated that they saw a man in the vehicle with Stephany on the 28th?

Since Joran did not mention any other contact between himself and Stephany, outside of the casino, prior to the day of the murder in his confession, perhaps no one that she knew has come forward to indicate that they were with Stephany on the 28th so they were trying to determine whether EG or JVS were with her in her vehicle on that day or whether the witness may have been mistaken about seeing Stephany and her vehicle at all.

Or perhaps there is grainy video surveillance of her in the vehicle with a man from somewhere that day? JC stated that there is video surveillance all over Lima and I'm sure most of it is not of the quality of the one at the TAC hotel. Especially outdoor cameras.

Isn't that the day she supposedly asked her father for the money for the laptop? Didn't they say she had not come home since sometime that Friday? Where did she spent Friday night? Did she stay up all night and play at the casino before going to a hotel with her friend the following day...the 29th? Maybe she went to the hotel on the Saturday afternoon for some rest. I think it was danielabc who indicated that the hotel she was at on Saturday was not a casino or a place where someone would go for entertainment. So perhaps the "friend" that she took there in the afternoon was a new girlfriend, they were a couple and they spent some time in a hotel together before meeting the other friend later at a club.

So we know what she did on Saturday the 29th but not on Friday the 28th and who she was with.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Maybe he got it directly from God.

Here Paul Begley (the reporter) is guest preaching (five parts) at the Liberty Chapel Church in Dowagiac, Michigan. This is part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1JaITRYE4QY&feature=related

Maybe we should be a little more discriminating about the kinds of 'news reports' we cite here. Otherwise this is of how rumors get started, seems to me.

I'm confused:waitasec: You posted this to discredit him? He seems no nuttier to me than any other preacher.

It was posted as UNCONFIRMED by media sources. Oftentimes, even in this case....accurate info is gleaned before the media and posted here.

 

[marikesh]

Paul Begley you tubes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/towerinflames

He must have read Enquirer and couldn't read nor pronounce the names correct.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Paul Begley you tubes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/towerinflames

He must have read Enquirer and couldn't read nor pronounce the names correct.

What do these youtube videos of him preaching have to do with JVS????????

 

[FLNY]

Maybe he got it directly from God.

Here Paul Begley (the reporter) is guest preaching (five parts) at the Liberty Chapel Church in Dowagiac, Michigan. This is part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1JaITRYE4QY&feature=related

Maybe we should be a little more discriminating about the kinds of 'news reports' we cite here. Otherwise this is of how rumors get started, seems to me.

With all due respect, i.b.nora, I did not put this information out there as a 'news report' and specifically included a disclaimer that this was UNCONFIRMED by the media. I did not intend to start a rumor....my only intention was to put other WS'ers on the look-out for possible media link confirmations of this information. :angel:

 

[marikesh]

What do these youtube videos of him preaching have to do with JVS????????

Not a dang thing!!! It's what HE is about. Another nutter added to the case and unfortunately on you-tube now trying to cash in on Peter deVries mention on the Thai connection to Joran.

 

[FLNY]

That is very interesting FLNY that they asked EG about being in the vehicle on the 28th of May. Joran supposedly admitted that he had met Stephany on or about the 27th. Perhaps a witness came forward who indicated that they saw a man in the vehicle with Stephany on the 28th?

Since Joran did not mention any other contact between himself and Stephany, outside of the casino, prior to the day of the murder in his confession, perhaps no one that she knew has come forward to indicate that they were with Stephany on the 28th so they were trying to determine whether EG or JVS were with her in her vehicle on that day or whether the witness may have been mistaken about seeing Stephany and her vehicle at all.

So we know what she did on Saturday the 29th but not on Friday the 28th and who she was with.

MOO

Snipped by me

This link says that Joran arranged to meet Stephany on the 28th:

"he first met Stephany Flores at the casino on May 27. They talked by phone the next day and agreed to meet at Atlantic Casino later that night."

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/13/22556/2597

 

[asiabrasil]

Originally Posted by asiabrasil:
I believe that is very possible, and it begs the question: Did he set it up that way on purpose to all but guarantee he would have a girl at his disposal to kill on the 5 year anniversary?

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BBM
I doubt it. I believe it was just a happenstance that came along after Joran had lost pretty well all of his poker money. If he had many more thousands in his possession I doubt he would have done what he did; however after viewing the newest video by Joy Behar, Jean and Brian, Joran was likely looking for sex and picked the wrong person, again.

I had to mull this over a bit hence the late reply. I can believe the murder itself was happenstance, ie he snapped in a rage, but I cannot believe Stephany was in his room on that date by chance. I think he planned it at least a couple of days ahead of time, and being that early in the morning, if it failed he still had ~18 hours left in the day for a plan B. Granted, if he had been winning big, he might have foregone his plan, but I doubt it. He was planning to 'have his way' with a girl on that day IMO.

 

[georger]

That is very interesting FLNY that they asked EG about being in the vehicle on the 28th of May. Joran supposedly admitted that he had met Stephany on or about the 27th. Perhaps a witness came forward who indicated that they saw a man in the vehicle with Stephany on the 28th?

Since Joran did not mention any other contact between himself and Stephany, outside of the casino, prior to the day of the murder in his confession, perhaps no one that she knew has come forward to indicate that they were with Stephany on the 28th so they were trying to determine whether EG or JVS were with her in her vehicle on that day or whether the witness may have been mistaken about seeing Stephany and her vehicle at all.

Or perhaps there is grainy video surveillance of her in the vehicle with a man from somewhere that day? JC stated that there is video surveillance all over Lima and I'm sure most of it is not of the quality of the one at the TAC hotel. Especially outdoor cameras.

Isn't that the day she supposedly asked her father for the money for the laptop? Didn't they say she had not come home since sometime that Friday? Where did she spent Friday night? Did she stay up all night and play at the casino before going to a hotel with her friend the following day...the 29th? Maybe she went to the hotel on the Saturday afternoon for some rest. I think it was danielabc who indicated that the hotel she was at on Saturday was not a casino or a place where someone would go for entertainment. So perhaps the "friend" that she took there in the afternoon was a new girlfriend, they were a couple and they spent some time in a hotel together before meeting the other friend later at a club.

So we know what she did on Saturday the 29th but not on Friday the 28th and who she was with.

MOO

I am sure you also saw the brief passage (few pages back) where Steph's
sexual orientation is now challenged saying (she wasnt a lesbian at all,
was she?). Things are being parsed around the edges to see what springs forth ... I hate to bring this up but, no one has questioned Steph's mental history yet. (It could potentially go to a self defense arguement).
:banghead:

 

[georger]

Originally Posted by asiabrasil:
I believe that is very possible, and it begs the question: Did he set it up that way on purpose to all but guarantee he would have a girl at his disposal to kill on the 5 year anniversary?

I had to mull this over a bit hence the late reply. I can believe the murder itself was happenstance, ie he snapped in a rage, but I cannot believe Stephany was in his room on that date by chance. I think he planned it at least a couple of days ahead of time, and being that early in the morning, if it failed he still had ~18 hours left in the day for a plan B. Granted, if he had been winning big, he might have foregone his plan, but I doubt it. He was planning to 'have his way' with a girl on that day IMO.

I think the events in Aruba (extortion and need to leave) and the poker
game already scheduled in Peru, seem to drive the general time table.
Then Joran says himself it was the 'email' on the anniversary that made him snap, on that day (and he says he has no explanation and 'just lost it').

I just cant believe that even a warped XYZ like Joran would think he could actually conduct a murder in downtown Lima on the very day of the anniversary ... and escape?

It is pretty clear he was running hard - to put great distance from the scene fast.

If it is ever proved he planned this event then all mercy is off the table.

:furious:

 

[hollyblue]

Snipped by me

This link says that Joran arranged to meet Stephany on the 28th:

"he first met Stephany Flores at the casino on May 27. They talked by phone the next day and agreed to meet at Atlantic Casino later that night."

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/13/22556/2597

Do we have any confirmation on what day JVS called EG? Wondering if this could have happened within the Fri-Sat time frame?

 

[Cottages]

hate to bring this up but, no one has questioned Steph's mental history yet. (It could potentially go to a self defense arguement).
:banghead:

I've never heard of such a defense under these circumstances (and I've heard them all). That is, he cannot claim self-defense due to 1) size & strength difference, 2) no physical injuries to himself, 3) avenue of retreat, 4) No initial mention of "serious bodily harm behavior" by SF, and more. He would literally be laughed out of court by the bench panel.

Size & strength difference is a major factor. And even though SF was not petit, her injuries, and the lack of his, are prima facie evidence that she was not a threat to him (that he could easily over power her). That argument would be dismissed out of hand, which is why no defense attorney would argue that in their wildest dream. Only person who would or could argue that is JVS, and...ooops, I was going to say that I doubt he'll take the stand, but it's JVS, so who knows. He has the arrogance of Bundy.

Moreover, I think it's an improper argument under the circumstances...like inquiring into the promiscuity of a rape victim, which has been, of course, very limited in this country by the Rape Shield Laws because of the impropriety.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I agree that there is nothing in the case that would support a self-defense claim by JVDS and his legal team and many things that argue againt that claim, as Cottages has eloquently summarized above. Hence, the invention by Tacopina of an unknown murderer...

 

[suzihawk]

Originally Posted by asiabrasil:
I believe that is very possible, and it begs the question: Did he set it up that way on purpose to all but guarantee he would have a girl at his disposal to kill on the 5 year anniversary?

________________________________________________________



I had to mull this over a bit hence the late reply. I can believe the murder itself was happenstance, ie he snapped in a rage, but I cannot believe Stephany was in his room on that date by chance. I think he planned it at least a couple of days ahead of time, and being that early in the morning, if it failed he still had ~18 hours left in the day for a plan B. Granted, if he had been winning big, he might have foregone his plan, but I doubt it. He was planning to 'have his way' with a girl on that day IMO.

This is something that's been the most puzzling thing to me from the very beginning. I mean, the odds are just so overwhelming that it would happened on the exact same day five years from Natalee's 'disappearance'.

I just can't wrap my brain around the idea that he did it as some sort of celebratory act in his own hotel room registered in his name. Unless it was his true intention to be caught. (In which case, maybe he does stand a chance at an insanity plea.) If it wasn't intentional, then they guy has some extraordinary bad luck.

Unfortunately, we'll most likely never know so it will forever leave me :waitasec:.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Or his unconscious mind was running his show.