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[becca]

Just my own opinion but maybe there is something to what the defense is fishing for. We have LB that lied , Joe Jordan that lied, and probably more that did too. So if JB narrows his scope he might miss something important. Just my own thoughts on the subject.

 

[The World According]

Hi Becca, two folks out of four thousand searchers is not a bad ratio, at all. I don't think Mr. Baez, based on results, has the slightest interest in these TES records, or they wouldn't have sat in Nejame's office for nearly a year before he ever even made (later canceled) an appointment to come to review them after he was given access by the judge. To his credit when Mr. Jordan realized his mistake, he admitted it, on the record, one hundred percent. Of course there are those troubled folks who write those very odd letters to the judges and Casey, and the folks who get Baker acted, etc. It seems Laura may have been one of those folks who is ...how shall I say this...misguided in her attempts to help her friends, the Anthonys. After seeing those heavily edited videos of Kronk's family, and after learning how much Laura claiming to work for the defense and the defense PI made Joe Jordan nervous enough to decide to tape record his meeting with him, I believe the easily led people may have been encouraged and indeed led in directions with their testimony. So two out of four thousand that get caught in lies....I say the truth is in the masses, and it will prevail for Caylee.

Mr. Baez is fishing, stalling and trying to divert attention and spin the news cycle. That is his specialty. In that order. MOO

Mr. Baez has hired the oddest assortment of folks I could ever imagine, so the fact that this lady claimed to be working with him does not shock me. Think Gill Cabott, Dominic Casey, making a deal with Leonard Padilla....are you in hysterics yet?

 

[The World According]

Well, only if Casey is suffering damages. If they already KNOW that the TES documents don't contain anything that will help her, then why waste the money to look at them?

I just want to thank you AZ lawyer, for all that you do here. When I am screaming at the computer...the whole world has gone mad, where do they get these people, you just can't make this stuff up, etc.
you are the calm voice of reason,
elementary my dear Watson...elementary.

Indeed the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, one doesn't go searching for the answer when they already know what happened. This is the only possible reason they are just now getting around to working on the TES documents, The Laura situation has turned into a PR nightmare. They just never learn.

I bet Tim and Mark, and Judge Strickland just shake their heads. If you didn't know this was serious, it would seem like a SNL skit. I know who is not amused......Judge Perry. He isn't going to suffer any foolishness. I am looking forward to the status hearing where he will right this runaway train. Immediately.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoCj1KX7DF8[/ame]

I recall him saying at one of the hearings, "I would not want to be the one who gets caught breaking any rules in this case".

Jeff Aston also helps me exhale. The judge does not hesitate to correct ANYONE , on either side.

Two minute mark....my very favorite line in this entire case
"Are all minds clear?"



I pity the fool that goes outside of the rules or angers him in any manner. When he tilts his head that way, it reminds me of that look we got from our mother that indicated she was not playing around. Knowing that she was not one for empty threats, we got in line straight away to avoid our whipping. When he asks are all minds clear, you get the immediate understanding that he wont have to ask again.

I am going to donate a bit to TES today. God bless Mr. and Mrs. Miller and all of the searchers. I know their work continues on well beyond this case.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHfl1k9gLg[/ame]
"You have been working on this case for nearly two years. There comes a time when all of the work needs to be done. We are going to get it done!"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1aBRJ4HeGs[/ame]
"That needs to be done....like yesterday", Judge Perry said.
"The lawyers are going to be held to task now", Richard Hornsby explains regarding Judge Perry.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FEG5TJHMc8[/ame]
One of the first things he did in this case was rule that the death penalty is going to stand.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl1vEYigIZs[/ame]
I fully expect him to be no nonsense regarding the TES searchers. For any of our members who are nervous about having searched and where the defense will wander far afield in their questioning of you...I have posted these examples. Judge Perry has this well under control. Your rights will not be violated. I have never been more certain of anything than I am of Judge Perry is watching out for justice and keeping everyone on the straight and narrow. Remain calm and answer truthfully. If you feel anyone is calling you or questioning you outside of his rulings, alert Mr. Nejame at once. He is taking this very seriously. Any wrongdoing will be reported to the judge and will be handled in a manner that will be certain and swift. You have likely never had such guard dogs at your door watching over you, so rest assured.

 

[The World According]

Just to remind us how very troubled folks have been in this case, to answer why or how would a woman like Laura, who has a family of her own, get messed up with helping the Anthonys to the point of self sabotage.....
check out this kid
somehow this case obsessed him , so apparently it can and does happen.

He nearly needs to be sedated, in my opinion.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN97uBtXwzc[/ame]

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I am VERY pleased to see some of the searchers fighting back at J. Lyons. Please see today's news thread for the article, as I cannot link it at the moment (I am adding videos to my photobucket and it takes my whole memory to do). I just wanted to say to those here, who are concerned, CHIN UP, somebody's got your back.

EDITED to add link, I'm down uploading:
P.I. Accused Of Witness Tampering In Casey Case

http://www.wftv.com/goinggreen/25455422/detail.html

Defense private investigator Jeremy Lyons is being accused by two EquuSearch volunteers of trying to change their testimony about searching the scene where Caylee"s remains were later found. One has already been deposed by the defense and the other has given a statement to investigators.

 

[nums24]

P.I. Accused Of Witness Tampering In Casey Case

http://www.wftv.com/news/25455422/detail.html

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Defense private investigator Jeremy Lyons is being accused by two EquuSearch volunteers of trying to change their testimony about searching the scene where Caylee"s remains were later found. One has already been deposed by the defense and the other has given a statement to investigators.

Lyons was in court recently examining EquuSearch records. He keeps a low public profile, but behind the scenes, he's talking to EquuSearch volunteers who are not happy about it.

Brett Churchill and Brett Reilly, both prosecution witnesses in Casey Anthony's murder case, feel Lyons was trying to get them to change their testimony.

"I felt in my mind, yes, he was trying to tamper with me, in a sense," Churchill said.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's almost like tampering with other witnesses to misrepresent the truth that way," Reilly said.

Both say the exact area on Suburban Drive where Caylee's remains were found December 11, 2008, was under water and unsearchable until the month before.

Churchill had already been questioned under oath by the defense for two and a half hours, but says that didn't stop the defense investigator from going to his house and lying to him about Reilly's story.

"He basically was asking me if what I said in my deposition was the exact story because he had others who fared differently, one of them being Brett Reilly," Churchill said.

Reilly says he warned Lyons not to twist his words after seeing what the defense has done to others. He says Lyons promised not to, but then found out he did exactly that.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says the defense investigator is traveling through dangerous territory.

"The statute specifically says you cannot engage in misleading conduct," Sheaffer said.

 

[LambChop]

And why, oh why was this PI contacting people after they were deposed by defense. The time to ask questions was during the deposition. KB should post his picture on TV and if the man's shows up at your home don't answer the door. lol

 

[The World According]

Don't think this was put up by the media, was filed with the Clerk's office 2/26 by Nejame's office.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/27552747/TES-Additional-Docs-Notice

According to this notice, Baez scheduled a meeting 6 months ago to look at all the docs, canceled the meeting and has never rescheduled.....yet Baez continued to file frivolous motions to get the docs, even though he had access to them.

Thanks Muzikman for finding this for us!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!

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Can you believe that these two gentlemen, accusing the defense of possible witness tampering are two of the original 32 searchers the defense was given information on soooo very long ago? There is no rational explanation as to why the defense is just now getting around to talking to them. Judge Perry is going to get all minds clear in a hurry!!!!

I will be very interested to know when these two reported this to Cheney Mason and what if anything he did about it. All of this on the heels of the defense filing another motion to ask the judge to secrete things from the public's right to know according to Florida law. Good luck with that, boys.

www.wftv.com
Kathi Belich you ARE the truth!!!


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[The World According]

I'm just so glad MN is exposing all of JB's cacamaloo stories. I love how he has asked for either court costs or insisted that the money used to purchase copies was shown to be obtained ethically in various motions.

The fact that MN would allow the attorney of her parents the courtesy of viewing the documents before the defendant's supposed lead attorney (even if they are down the hall from each other), most likely because he knew JB would ignore them - indicates just how much he thinks JB is worth. Nice paper trail MN.

Apparently JB thinks the public has a high tolerance for being lied to - a risky proposition in an age of media misrepresentation and political prevarication. Today's citizens and prospective jurors are likely to have little patience for stuff like that - the defendant herself has pretty much used up a lifetime's quota of falsehoods just on this one issue - if her legal team looks as deceitful as she does, it will not bode well.

Cecy, you sure had their number from jump!!! Do you think eventually Cheney and or Baez will have to step aside due to new bar complaints?

 

[The World According]

And why, oh why was this PI contacting people after they were deposed by defense. The time to ask questions was during the deposition. KB should post his picture on TV and if the man's shows up at your home don't answer the door. lol

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
Excellent LambChop!!!!

 

[The World According]

Rubbing my hands with glee- can't wait to hear Kathi Belich ask him what this is all about. :innocent: He will be doing his best to dodge her next time out.

Like we have never seen before, he will. You are so right ZsaZsa!!

To his credit Mr. Miller wont be on the news with I told ya so!
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The Florida Bar summed up the problem regarding Mr. Baez.
"His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."
www.floridasupremecourt.org

 

[The World According]

BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Evidence Released 02/16/10

http://www.wftv.com/video/22582915/index.html

He explained that it is clear the defense is still on a fishing expedition to muster up something to back up Todd's claims. "If they had the proof ...they would produce the exculpatory evidence required by the rules of procedure. That coupled with the fact that they keep going off into the area that they need the Texas Equusearch records....they are still fishing , trying to come up with something that they do not have, that they never did have . They missed their deadline. They have not produced their proof and that is because THEY DON'T HAVE IT!!" This whole defense response was entirely inappropriate"

for reference:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw[/ame]

This tape below is the hearing where the original 32 searchers are being discussed. The two gentleman that alerted the OCSD that Mr. Lyon was in their opinion tampering with their testimony ( allegedly) were on this list of the 32! Note the date of the hearing , OVER A YEAR AGO!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IrzGBLLjg[/ame]


This was in February, and here we are , eight months later and now they have possibly went past fishing to manufacturing.....allegedly.
www.wftv.com
"Counsel for the defense was overly broad as it relates to materiality. You have already denied their request once because it was done inappropriately. Now they have come in and done a new motion. It is still done inappropriately.

The request made by counsel is absurd.
I am being overly generous in my characterization of that.": Mark Nejame to the judge.

I already thought that since the initial calls made to the TES volunteers recently were monitored by court order by the retired judge and TES, that if, as and when the defense goes back to the judge with their new list of all the folks that were on Suburban Drive to ask for them to be deemed relevant, that the judge would order any subsequent questioning of them be either also, likewise monitored, or done under oath by subpoena.
Now with this new development of two of the searchers alleging wrongdoing during the questioning, on the heels of Laura Buchanan being investigated for falsifying a document.....now the defense is going to have even more restrictions on how and when and with what safeguards the defense is permitted to question the searchers further.
LP once opined that Casey Anthony lives her life ten minutes at a time. It seems her lawyers do too/

This reminds me of the hysterical request of the defense to review the evidence, alone, without OCSD present. OCSD is going to be required to take the stand in this murder trial and testify that they maintained the three C s, care, custody and control, over the evidence. Otherwise it will not be admitted, period. Not only did the judge deny the defense's silly request, he added more scrutiny to the procedure. He ordered , of course the OCSD would be there, AND a rep from the State Attorney's office, AND it would be video taped.

The defense is going to be under similar, highly monitored circumstances so long as the law provides that it is not violating the defendants work product, etc. They would be horrible chess players, they never stop to think...hmmmm ..
if we do this...what will be the response and is that a wise choice. I bet I take more time choosing dinner off a menu than the forethought that goes into their actions. Good grief! As always, just my opinion after watching the hearings again.

Here the judge asks specifically what the defense is looking for and Andrea informs him they are looking for things beyond what the TES records indicate. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZ_GSPyk0[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qH93vT4nmA[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KUNZB-nCH4[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKOQ56b4FQ[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3YTahSn38[/ame]
Watch Mrs. Drane- Burdick question pop, you can rest assured, the case is in very capable hands!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGzm8fyQPWw[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vjFmG5ieFw[/ame]
This was a clue as to the very poor understanding of Mr. Baez as to what and who is protected under his umbrella of a/c privilege. I wont be at all surprised if he tries to argue his investigator does not have to answer the state's questioned based on that privilege. Normally that would be correct, but those privileges stop at committing criminal acts, like tampering with witnesses. Hello. Come in Tokyo!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPePU8QtcSY[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGMKC010duE[/ame]
Mrs. Drane-Burdick, "We have our perennial issue of the notice requirement". Perennial...Lasting or active through the year or through many years. Lasting an indefinitely long time; enduring:
I'll say! We have perennial issues in this case!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-VTxCU8po[/ame]
Mrs. Drane Burdick will mop the floor with the defense if she feels they were tampering with the State's witnesses!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_cccyWTsL8[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wq_RBz42i8[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lGq340sKaI[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDc61shhMxI[/ame]

Remain calm. These prosecutors and this judge will make you proud.
Thanks to Nums for this article!!
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[nums24]

BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Evidence Released 02/16/10

http://www.wftv.com/video/22582915/index.html

He explained that it is clear the defense is still on a fishing expedition to muster up something to back up Todd's claims. "If they had the proof ...they would produce the exculpatory evidence required by the rules of procedure. That coupled with the fact that they keep going off into the area that they need the Texas Equusearch records....they are still fishing , trying to come up with something that they do not have, that they never did have . They missed their deadline. They have not produced their proof and that is because THEY DON'T HAVE IT!!" This whole defense response was entirely inappropriate"

for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw

This tape below is the hearing where the original 32 searchers are being discussed. The two gentleman that alerted the OCSD that Mr. Lyon was in their opinion tampering with their testimony ( allegedly) were on this list of the 32! Note the date of the hearing , OVER A YEAR AGO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IrzGBLLjg


This was in February, and here we are , eight months later and now they have possibly went past fishing to manufacturing.....allegedly.
www.wftv.com
"Counsel for the defense was overly broad as it relates to materiality. You have already denied their request once because it was done inappropriately. Now they have come in and done a new motion. It is still done inappropriately.

The request made by counsel is absurd.
I am being overly generous in my characterization of that.": Mark Nejame to the judge.

I already thought that since the initial calls made to the TES volunteers recently were monitored by court order by the retired judge and TES, that if, as and when the defense goes back to the judge with their new list of all the folks that were on Suburban Drive to ask for them to be deemed relevant, that the judge would order any subsequent questioning of them be either also, likewise monitored, or done under oath by subpoena.
Now with this new development of two of the searchers alleging wrongdoing during the questioning, on the heels of Laura Buchanan being investigated for falsifying a document.....now the defense is going to have even more restrictions on how and when and with what safeguards the defense is permitted to question the searchers further.
LP once opined that Casey Anthony lives her life ten minutes at a time. It seems her lawyers do too/

This reminds me of the hysterical request of the defense to review the evidence, alone, without OCSD present. OCSD is going to be required to take the stand in this murder trial and testify that they maintained the three C s, care, custody and control, over the evidence. Otherwise it will not be admitted, period. Not only did the judge deny the defense's silly request, he added more scrutiny to the procedure. He ordered , of course the OCSD would be there, AND a rep from the State Attorney's office, AND it would be video taped.

The defense is going to be under similar, highly monitored circumstances so long as the law provides that it is not violating the defendants work product, etc. They would be horrible chess players, they never stop to think...hmmmm ..
if we do this...what will be the response and is that a wise choice. I bet I take more time choosing dinner off a menu than the forethought that goes into their actions. Good grief! As always, just my opinion after watching the hearings again.

Here the judge asks specifically what the defense is looking for and Andrea informs him they are looking for things beyond what the TES records indicate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZ_GSPyk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qH93vT4nmA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KUNZB-nCH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKOQ56b4FQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3YTahSn38
Watch Mrs. Drane- Burdick question pop, you can rest assured, the case is in very capable hands!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGzm8fyQPWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vjFmG5ieFw
This was a clue as to the very poor understanding of Mr. Baez as to what and who is protected under his umbrella of a/c privilege. I wont be at all surprised if he tries to argue his investigator does not have to answer the state's questioned based on that privilege. Normally that would be correct, but those privileges stop at committing criminal acts, like tampering with witnesses. Hello. Come in Tokyo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPePU8QtcSY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGMKC010duE
Mrs. Drane-Burdick, "We have our perennial issue of the notice requirement". Perennial...Lasting or active through the year or through many years. Lasting an indefinitely long time; enduring:
I'll say! We have perennial issues in this case!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-VTxCU8po
Mrs. Drane Burdick will mop the floor with the defense if she feels they were tampering with the State's witnesses!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_cccyWTsL8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wq_RBz42i8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lGq340sKaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDc61shhMxI

Remain calm. These prosecutors and this judge will make you proud.
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Wow, you impress me with your posts! How do you keep all these videos straight? I have faith in the State, there will be JUSTICE for Caylee!

 

[The World According]

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picture of Mr. Lyons in first video ( it is working now )

 

[fla*mom]

Lyons has already come to my house. It did not have to go before the judge again. By the answers I gave, it was already done that they could call if certain answers were given. That is why it was so fast from the phone call to the personal home visit.

I done talking to them. I have already agreed with those two men on the video that he is manipultive.

There was a post right above this one that I was replying to now it is gone??? Oh, well now I sound like I am out it la la land.

 

[The World According]

Lyons has already come to my house. It did not have to go before the judge again. By the answers I gave, it was already done that they could call if certain answers were given. That is why it was so fast from the phone call to the personal home visit.

I done talking to them. I have already agreed with those two men on the video that he is manipultive.

There was a post right above this one that I was replying to now it is gone??? Oh, well now I sound like I am out it la la land.

I am checking on it with Mr. Nejame right now, because that is not my understanding of the judge's order, but I need to verify, so I took it down real quick, sorry friend. I will post when I hear it from Mr. Nejame's office FOR CERTAIN. I am not at home, but once I get there I will pull the actual judge's order and see what was set out regarding them needing to take things to the judge for the judge to determine relevance, first , before they go further. Unless someone has it handy, I would appreciate it sooo much so we can read it real quick.

 

[Intermezzo]

I am checking on it with Mr. Nejame right now, because that is not my understanding of the judge's order, but I need to verify, so I took it down real quick, sorry friend. I will post when I hear it from Mr. Nejame's office FOR CERTAIN. I am not at home, but once I get there I will pull the actual judge's order and see what was set out regarding them needing to take things to the judge for the judge to determine relevance, first , before they go further. Unless someone has it handy, I would appreciate it sooo much so we can read it real quick.

BBM

Here you go..the Judge's Order
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

What you are looking for is on page 3 Part D

The Defense did not need to go to the Judge..They were given permission in the Order to conduct further investigation as they deemed appropriate based on the answers to the questions in Part C.

 

[The World According]

BBM

Here you go..the Judge's Order
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

What you are looking for is on page 3 Part D

The Defense did not need to go to the Judge..They were given permission in the Order to conduct further investigation as they deemed appropriate based on the answers to the questions in Part C.

Thank you soooo much! That is soooo disappointing and silly, for them to be monitored for the two questions, but let loose for the rest. Odd. Thanks so much!!! I figured out what was wrong, I was remembering what Judge Strickland /Jose/ Mark were arguing in a hearing about Jose reviewing the documents and then if he felt any were relevant he would flag them and then the judge would determine their relevance. I have been reviewing too many hearings lately. LOL!! I think we did not see the actual legal arguments on this final order, I think they worked it out outside of a hearing and then the judge agreed. I am so spoiled by getting to see and hear it for myself, this sidebar agreement stuff is harder to remember.

Thank you everybody who found this for me so fast. I learn so much from all of you! Julia

 

[LaLaw2000]

Just what ever they think needs to go. I don't want to put any one, or any place in jepardy. By re-telling my experience. Just needed a place to get it out.

I will for sure be using that feature more in the future, if needed.

Thanks

fla*mom, I have not read through to the end of the thread, but wanted to ask you if you made Lyons show you his identification at your door before you let him in. He should have shown you his investigators badge and ID. He also should have left you a business card when he started to leave.

I just do not like this guy.

Bless you for having searched for little Caylee.

 

[The World According]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XL0rNmdbqQ[/ame]

The first part of this hearing, audio is off because Judge Perry is having side bar with the State, defense and TES lawyer, Mark Nejame. Appparently this is where the decision was reached about when and how the folks would be called, (the searchers).

The Judge says at the 12 minute mark that any documents the defense becomes interested in, the special magistrate, the retired Judge will flag and copy and bring to him. I was surprised that the order set out that they could initially call the folks, under supervision, but skip over this step the judge articulated and go straight to contacting the searchers for their follow up questions, without supervision. Did I miss more arguments on this matter, or a motion to change the judge's verbal order? Help!