Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[MsMacGyver]

Or the dogs. CA hasn't caught on to that one yet. Hello, CA. Try reading back over you testimony.....looking for chlorophyll because dog/dogs are sleeping alot....but computer shows chloroform. If you suddently mixed up a batch who would you test it on before using it on your daughter????? jmo

Thanks just not enough for this one LC..Huge piece of evidence....:twocents:

 

[logicalgirl]

LGirl-

I am so sorry about every circumstance you describe about your sister's death. How beyond painful for you.

As for my wrong guess... my own experience with family reveals itself yet again. Sorry, if that is order.

Just saw you last post- I spent very many hours trying to understand Cindy before reaching conclusions-- you and I just came to different conclusions. Peace.

Sorry is never necessary here - :blowkiss: I have many good friends here who disagree with me intensely and we all find our conclusions about Cindy are a moveable feast - :floorlaugh: - it changes month by month ...she gets crazier and I suspect so do we about her..

I grew up apart from my "blood family" so who am I to know or be an expert on it. It's that sense of guilt - and regret - of not doing more because it was hard, not easy, that's difficult for me to "lay down".

 

[logicalgirl]

Baez's statement today on The View - about who parties on a Monday night in Orlando - all FCA did was rent a video that night with Tony L.

That's right Baez - with a guy who did not want little Caylee in his adult oriented apartment - so FCA couldn't bring her. And with no babysitter....

Sure maybe it's preposterous - Jose - that George says FCA drugged Caylee that morning. Maybe you are right - maybe FCA didn't drug her - maybe she just killed her by taping duct tape over her nose and mouth, then bagged her and dumped her in the swamp.

Are you happier with that thought Jose? Would you rather George just said that?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think Tricia and Kimster need to get Dr. Phil on WS Radio this Sunday night!!!
Shout out to Dr. Phil-We got some questions for you!! :great:

:great: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Now this I would listen to !

:great: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[okiedokietoo]

I turned on my TV just as the Baez segment on The View was ending. I didn't hear any of the Aruba stuff which is fine with me; I'm not interested in the current Aruba case and wasn't interested in the last one.

But I do think that if Casey does any interviews this year, it'll be with Barbara Walters. Casey will be one of her 'most fascinating people of the year'; she has to be. There's no way anybody can look back on 2011 and not include her in that list. I suppose Walters could still include her on the list without doing a 1:1 interview, but it would be a huge ratings moment if she did get an interview with her for that special at the end of the year.

Barbara Walters - 'most fascinating people of the year' - some of the people on this list since 1993 include: Maya Angelou, Jimmy Carter, Barbra Streisand, Elizabeth Dole, Madeleine Albright, Beth Holloway-Twitty, Joe Torre, Oprah Winfrey...
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I didn't say anybody gets a free pass to act any way you choose. I'm just saying that there's no particular way of responding to a tragedy or loss that's the 'correct' way. And I'm certainly not going to judge anybody's grieving based on what the media feeds us about them.

Just for the sake of reference, I'll use WS'ers as examples. I don't think there are too many "sheep" on here. I would venture to guess that most of us are "alpha dogs" and not easily influenced by random unverified opinions of the media.(WS'ers listen, respect, verify, consider opinions of others & double check info from the media - from what I've seen) I personally am not influenced by the media and have based my opinions about this case on pressers given by those involved, depos, evidence, testimony etc.

I don't know if Cindy's a good person or not. I know next to nothing about her.

Well I don't personally know her but I have seen her go off like a mad dog in the ZFG depo. So using a dog as an example: If I walk up to a stray dog and it growls and shows it's teeth, I am going to back away, believing that there is a good chance that there is something wrong with it, it is very angry and it dang well might bite me. My opinion that it might bite me is based on it's actions.

No thread here or on any message board or website is going to help anybody understand the dynamics of the Anthony family. More accurately, threads would help them understand the dynamics of those observing the family, not the family itself.

Exactly.

I don't think I've learned anything about the Anthonys here.

My experience has been more productive because through examination and comparison, I have learned a lot.

I very much doubt that Baez has to beg to go on any of these shows, or that any of they would just say, 'Oh, we better put Baez on because he's begging us to have him on'. They will always always always have the guests that they think people want to hear from, not the guests that beg them to be on.

Some networks will always have on the most controversial guests who are not necessarily the ones people want to hear from but are the most infamous.

(((respectfully snipped and BBM))

 

[LambChop]

Thanks just not enough for this one LC..Huge piece of evidence....:twocents:

Another thing bothers me is the two dogs that died within a short time of one another. One was the mother and the other was her daughter. The mother dog died first and then the other dog died a few month later. Big question mark. Wonder what they died of? jmo

 

[PeteyGirl]

I'm not sure how to answer, as words like 'integrity' and 'value system' and 'world view' aren't ones I used.

I do think there are many people who judge others by their behavior after a loss, but I'm not one of them. I've seen people do things and act in ways that are very different from their pre-loss behavior and standards, and I've seen people whose behaviors don't appear to change much, if at all.

I used those terms because they are implicit in how a person behaves, how anyone behaves. Attitudes and thoughts (based upon inner value systems) create behavior. I am merely addressing the cause of behavior.

I agree, that after a serious loss, a person's behavior, out of compassion, ought not to be "judged" for a lot of good reasons. But we're talking THREE YEARS LATER, for the Anthony's here.

 

[MarthaM]

Baez's statement today on The View - about who parties on a Monday night in Orlando - all FCA did was rent a video that night with Tony L.

That's right Baez - with a guy who did not want little Caylee in his adult oriented apartment - so FCA couldn't bring her. And with no babysitter....

Sure maybe it's preposterous - Jose - that George says FCA drugged Caylee that morning. Maybe you are right - maybe FCA didn't drug her - maybe she just killed her by taping duct tape over her nose and mouth, then bagged her and dumped her in the swamp.

Are you happier with that thought Jose? Would you rather George just said that?

Actually, I don't think he said anything about 'who parties on a Monday night in Orlando?'. I've read a few posts here that refer to him saying that, but what I remember him saying on The View is that there weren't many parties going on in Orlando on a Monday afternoon. This may seem like a small point, but it's one of those things that just grows and grows until people start to believe that he really did say 'who parties on a Monday night in Orlando?' when he didn't.

I'm just going by what I remember him saying when I watched it.

 

[MarthaM]

I used those terms because they are implicit in how a person behaves, how anyone behaves. Attitudes and thoughts (based upon inner value systems) create behavior. I am merely addressing the cause of behavior.

I agree, that after a serious loss, a person's behavior, out of compassion, ought not to be "judged" for a lot of good reasons. But we're talking THREE YEARS LATER, for the Anthony's here.

I don't believe in a time frame for it, either, and also won't judge someone because they haven't followed some sort of timetable.

 

[lorann]

BBM
And that's where Geroge should speak up and say "NO, That's not why Cindy!" to put her in her place for thinking and speaking for him. Geesh, these people make me tired.

He tried that in the second airing when she said it was the first time in all of this time he had made the statement he thought Caylee had been given a drug. He said he had said it before. She probably didn't hear him say it because she doesn't hear what doesn't fit her "story".

 

[fifteen89]

She had no money; she was stealing at hte least 3 to 4 hundred a month and at the most over a 1000. That should have been a clue.

IMO having no money doesn't = she didn't have a job, it could also = she spent her paycheck on beer and food for Tony's apartment and stole from others when her paycheck ran out.

 

[RANCH]

IMO having no money doesn't = she didn't have a job, it could also = she spent her paycheck on beer and food for Tony's apartment and stole from others when her paycheck ran out.

Wow. That would be a lot of beer and food. Even at minimum wage.

 

[LinTX]

What did you learn that was actually new? For me it was that Cindy asked God to tell her from the verdict whether or not FCA played a part in Caylee's death. Because I sure had no explanation for Cindy's smile when the verdict was read. And no answer when Cindy said 'doesn't she look beautiful" when I thought she looked evil. But there you go - who knew it was "God speaking". And here I was thinking it was 12 misguided folks from Pinalles county who should be encouraged to actually use those "leetle gray cells".

Can we move on to something real in this case now?

I normally find myself nodding yes while reading your posts, but now you reference Hercule Poirot? I'm starting a logicalgirl fanclub right this minute.:crush:
Hmm, taking a cue from the A's 'retirement' schemes, wonder how much I could charge for membership?

 

[Eric's_Iguana]

You know, I have a brother who died before I was born. When I was a child, I remember going to his grave and my dad got onto me for standing or walking above the coffin. He said it was disrespectful. I think if I'd said, "Oh, he's not in that coffin, it's just a shell" he would have knocked me silly. I'm not big on corporal punishment, but I would have deserved it!

 

[RR0004]

I have to say I was bored so I turned on this last show. Now I'm as angry as I was when the verdict was read. There has to be something that an be done to bring this poor child the justice she deserves.

PS- next time I'm bored I'm taking a nap!!

 

[RR0004]

Casey regrets doing "this" to her father?!! You have got to be kidding!!!
Sorry...I have to go do something productive...listening to this interview for even 15 minutes made my ears bleed.

 

[fifteen89]

Wow. That would be a lot of beer and food. Even at minimum wage.

Really? Going out to clubs, drinking and partying, probably eating out several times a week......Easy for me to believe. I've seen way too many people do it every week.

 

[GracieLu]

But I do think that if Casey does any interviews this year, it'll be with Barbara Walters. Casey will be one of her 'most fascinating people of the year'; she has to be. There's no way anybody can look back on 2011 and not include her in that list. I suppose Walters could still include her on the list without doing a 1:1 interview, but it would be a huge ratings moment if she did get an interview with her for that special at the end of the year.

bolded by me and with all due respect to your post, there is nothing about Casey Anthony that is "fascinating." I admit that this story may end up on a "most fascinating" things that happened this year from a probable psychopath baby killer getting acquitted by the means of an incompetent lawyer point of view. But, Casey Anthony is not fascinating.

"Fascinating" would have been realizing she was a psychopath and giving her child to her parents while she went off to get some help. Killing her daughter, throwing her away like garbage, partying it up, and then being acquitted for it is not "fascinating" it's disgusting and imo would not bring in huge ratings.

and, a later post stated that JB was misquoted about partying on a Monday night in Orlando... again, with all due respect, even if he said something to the effect of it being a Monday afternoon and something as innocent as renting videos ---> other than being hit by a car and laying unconscious in a hospital bed, if my child had drowned or been kidnapped, i wouldn't be renting videos or in a bar forced to be in a hot body contest... a parent who loves and wants her child would have been screaming and crying and pleading for help, period!

 

[RANCH]

Really? Going out to clubs, drinking and partying, probably eating out several times a week......Easy for me to believe. I've seen way too many people do it every week.

Sure its possible. I only said it would be a lot.

 

[PeteyGirl]

You are certainly entitled to you opinion. But where you get Cindy is "pure evil" I don't see it. She is in profound denial and she is protecting herself from being responsible for her grandchild's death. It is just too hard to face it. That is not evil it is denial. If she were pure evil, we would see a lot more death associated with her.

I disagree, human evil is not always or even mostly associated with death.

It is always associated with lies and the intention to deceive. To exploit and take advantage of, and divert attention away from the perpetrator of the "evil deed".

There's a continuum, of course. Any time a person lies to divert blame from themselves onto another person is "evil". Children do this, like, all the time but I'm talking about adults who know exactly what they are doing.

A great example of human evil is when Cindy began pointing her finger at Jesse Grund. She KNEW Casey was responsible, she cleaned out the trunk of that car! Yet she was willing to cause unreal harm to an innocent young man to divert the attention away from KC (which diverted the attention away from Cindy).

I think perhaps I am using the term "evil" to characterize a much wider scope of behavior than murder.

As far as denial, I disagree with your application of that word too. I think
the state of "denial" does not precisely mean a person who is 100% oblivious of their responsibility in an act. In psychology, denial means the person KNOWS but puts a ton of mental energy in refusing to know.

So based on differing interpretations of two different words, I have a very different conclusion about Cindy. She acted with intention. She is not psychotic or mentally retarded. She did what she did and the result was BAD.

At the same time, I believe her mental disorder is such that she could not have behaved any other way than she did. She is an emotionally and mentally "dangerous" person. She will hurt you to preserve her image, and the lengths to which she will go are astonishing.