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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    Btw, quoting myself here (lol) but I believe there was enough evidence to charge PR with first degree murder under Colorado statute even if BR caused the initial fatal blow and I also believe JR was part of the cover-up/staging but primarily under the direction of PR, who also did most of the...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    I agree -- it's definitely a compromise. I've read many of those legal analyses as well. They couldn't charge either parent with first degree murder (or any kind of murder) because they didn't know who did what. But they could agree that both engaged in child abuse (that could be active abuse...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    I don't think they had to 'go there' with BR at all -- because he wasn't viable for any charges due to his age. They didn't have to charge BR with anything (because they couldn't) and also because they didn't have to in order to charge his parents with covering up the first degree murder of JBR...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    Trying to read between the lines, it's possible the Grand Jury thought BR hit JBR in the head and/or sexually assaulted her but that PR and JR knew JBR was still alive (even if unconscious with crashing vitals) when they decided to engage in a cover-up of BR's crimes. That would make them...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    To follow up on my earlier post, would using the ligature count as 1st degree murder if PR or JR reasonably believed JBR was still alive when they applied it? I guess I'm just struggling with: you can't charge someone with being an accessory to a crime if that crime didn't (under legal terms)...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    But Burke couldn't have been charged with murder -- or anything. He was too young at 9 years old in the state of Colorado. Any legal experts here? Do the GJ indictments against PR and JR mean that the GJ believed they (or someone else aged 10 or above) was guilty of the crime of 1st degree...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    I'm a believer in the BDI theory and that JR and PR covered it up. The part that has always bothered me, however, was how much of JBR's hair was wrapped up in the garrote and yanked out of her head. It seems such a violent act that would take a good amount of force. Aside from those who...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    To clear up the first degree murder language confusion, it does not have to be premeditated, according to Colorado law. Here is an excerpt from the legal description according to that state (BBM): I think any number of potential Ramsey 'offenses' could fall under these pretenses -- if the...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    For me, the issue is not whether or not to have compassion for the Ramsey's if they found out their son had just killed their daughter. The issue is whether or not they FOR YEARS ignored the warning signs that their son was capable of abusing and/or killing his sister. And FOR YEARS teaching...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    Just curious what scenarios people feel are most likely, given that the language "first degree murder" was wrapped up in the "child abuse leading to death" indictments: A) JR and PR knew that BR was using strangulation devices in his sexual molestation of his sister and did nothing to stop it...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    I think it's something more along the lines of they knew they had a psychiatrically troubled (male) child in the house and did not seek appropriate help for him to stop his behaviors. They knew he was abusing his sister and it's possible they knew about other abuse going on in the household on...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    Wonder what BR is doing right now....
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the Grand Jury believed BR (or whoever was the initial perpetrator) committed FIRST DEGREE murder -- that this was not an accident, this was planned, intentional, premeditated. That is a whopper to digest. And, then they believe that John and Patsy...
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    This is fascinating!! They mention John and Patsy aiding in the cover-up of FIRST DEGREE MURDER and child abuse. WOW.
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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    DOCUMENTS RELEASED!!!!! SEE HERE: http://www.courts.state.co.us/Media/Opinions.cfm I think there's more to come, as it's only 4 pages total.
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