Is there anyone that believes Ross is innocent?

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MzOpinion8d said:
I thought of a question while reading this thread, but this may not be the right place to ask it. Please move if necessary!

It's my understanding that the sexting with a 16/17 yr old is not illegal in GA, but it is a federal crime. Would charges for that be determined by the GA Grand Jury or would that be a separate process entirely? And when are they going to be presenting this to the GJ?
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Sending and or receiving pornographic pix w a person under the age of 18 is illegal in Georgia. "Sexting" in words only with a 16/17 year old is not as long as you aren't in a position of authority (for example a teacher cannot sext w his 16 year old student). I'm not certain that "word only" sexting w a 16/17 year old is a federal crime, but definitely sending and receiving private part pics are. The defining thing is whether private part pictures are exchanged. The Cobb county gj can make a finding on that charge. No idea when the da will present it and/or when they'll return a finding though.
 
MzOpinion8d said:
Dad left him in a car seat that was too small for the child and the straps were set much too low for him also, yet Dad made a point to tell police how he knew all about how to use the car seat.

He stayed at work for 3 hours and then went to lunch with friends and bought light bulbs which he placed inside the car upon his return. He did not tell police he had gone to home depot, and also did not tell police he had returned to the car at lunchtime despite their detailed questioning of his day. He then stayed at work for about 3.5 more hours.

He was sexting up to 6 different women, one of whom was underage, and he exchanged nude photos with her.

He watched a video on animals being left in hot cars AND searched to find out how long it takes a CHILD to die in a hot car. As did his wife, because supposedly they were very afraid it would happen.

Sexting isn't the issue for me - it's the lying. He did not volunteer the info to police that he had been sexting throughout the day. He was lying to his employer by doing that on work time, he was lying to his friends who admitted they knew nothing of that activity. Same for his brother. He also told one of the women he sexted with that he did not have a conscience - it didn't bother him to cheat even though he was presenting himself everywhere as a devoted husband and father.

This post was meant to help fill in your knowledge gap since you are new to the case. All of the info comes from sworn testimony at the probable cause hearing.
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First, thank you very much for taking the time to fill me in. I do appreciate it. my response is to each paragraph, beginning with

1. an internet commercial I hear regularly makes the point (I have no idea if its true) that MOST parents don't know the correct size a car seat should be for their child. his telling the police that he does know is not meaningful to me. I have no idea why he said it.

2. if he thought the child was at day care, how long he was at work is meaningless, imo. That he didn't tell the police about the light bulbs could be because of several things: he could be trying to hide it, or he could have forgotten it with all the turmoil surrounding the death. or he could have remembered it, but wanted to lie because he realized it looks bad and was trying to protect himself. In fact, as soon as he realized the cops were looking at him, he well may have turned paranoid, for more than one reason, and that paranoia may have impelled him to make mistakes about the days catastrophic event.

3. the sexting means he is not a good husband, is a liar, has no conscience and a whole host of other things, but not necessarily a cold blooded killer. that an underage girl was involved doesn't change anything.

4. the video. I've never done that. Don't need to. The facts are all over social media, TV, newspapers, radio. And I'm sure he learned in that video that it takes VERY LITTLE time for conditions to turn deadly in a hot car. So, if he is planning it, this all day scenario seems a very poor choice, ripe with suspicion and questions. and unnecessary. otoh....it is suspicious and makes me wonder.

5. The deceit, the alternate life. Imo, anyone having an alternate life like he did is going to lie about it, and not tell anyone. That he had an alternate life is noteworthy and certainly casts suspicion his way.

So in summary, what these facts tell me is to take a hard look at the man, and his marriage. They don't tell me he is guilty of pre-meditated murder.

Thanks again for filling me in.
 
doubt said:
atlanta journal constitution ran a piece in the last few days that zeroed in on problems with stoddard's initial testimony. i knew it was only a matter of time.

the original witness in this case has not changed his story from the first moment despite being criticized for it.

i believe there is a strong possibility that LE is not telling the truth. they saw a loser, a cheater, a liar....and they decided to make him an intentional murderer, too. nobody can tell me worse things don't happen on a regular basis in this country. bc they absolutely do.

if he is guilty, the case will hold up under great scrutiny. if not, i hope people don't forget that he was crucified in the press by the entire world, based on the words of LE.

i agree with those above regarding punishment if he's proven guilty.

moo.
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You guys have changed everything since I have been here?!? Hope I am replying n the right spot.
I was pretty sure the detective was lying on the stand when he testified.
He was rattling off many of the texts and phone calls on Ross's phone. But when the defense attorney asked him if he had read Ross's VERY LAST text - the one asking his wife if she had picked his buddy" up yet - the detective said he had not seen that.

Really? He looked at all the other texts and calls, but missed the very last one?

Here is. Good article on the "mistakes" the detective made:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2...ar/fNCwGu2GIj9KZefvm40BBP/story.html#comments
 
costalpilot said:
First, thank you very much for taking the time to fill me in. I do appreciate it. my response is to each paragraph, beginning with

1. an internet commercial I hear regularly makes the point (I have no idea if its true) that MOST parents don't know the correct size a car seat should be for their child. his telling the police that he does know is not meaningful to me. I have no idea why he said it.

2. if he thought the child was at day care, how long he was at work is meaningless, imo. That he didn't tell the police about the light bulbs could be because of several things: he could be trying to hide it, or he could have forgotten it with all the turmoil surrounding the death. or he could have remembered it, but wanted to lie because he realized it looks bad and was trying to protect himself. In fact, as soon as he realized the cops were looking at him, he well may have turned paranoid, for more than one reason, and that paranoia may have impelled him to make mistakes about the days catastrophic event.

3. the sexting means he is not a good husband, is a liar, has no conscience and a whole host of other things, but not necessarily a cold blooded killer. that an underage girl was involved doesn't change anything.

4. the video. I've never done that. Don't need to. The facts are all over social media, TV, newspapers, radio. And I'm sure he learned in that video that it takes VERY LITTLE time for conditions to turn deadly in a hot car. So, if he is planning it, this all day scenario seems a very poor choice, ripe with suspicion and questions. and unnecessary. otoh....it is suspicious and makes me wonder.

5. The deceit, the alternate life. Imo, anyone having an alternate life like he did is going to lie about it, and not tell anyone. That he had an alternate life is noteworthy and certainly casts suspicion his way.

So in summary, what these facts tell me is to take a hard look at the man, and his marriage. They don't tell me he is guilty of pre-meditated murder.

Thanks again for filling me in.
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A little OT... just noticed your siggy line.
Did you think casey a. was innocent?
 
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JusticeJunkie said:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2...ar/fNCwGu2GIj9KZefvm40BBP/story.html#comments

Detectives lie, just as do suspects. Good article, and worth the read.

this in response to MzOpinionBd. It's been a while since I have been here - sorry.
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I object! Detectives are allowed to "lie" during interrogations in order to gain information or a confession to crimes. However, they are not allowed to lie while under oath to tell the truth.

IMHO, it matters little what the guy was doing at work while his son was outside suffering from heat stroke and death. He could have been deeply involved in developing a software program that could save the world and my opinion would not change regarding his malicious intent.
 
Stoddard didn't leave his precious little child in an oven to die in a horrific manner, wasn't arrested, nor is he sitting behind bars.

Harris did. He's as guilty as guilty can be.
 
I could be wrong about this, but I think it is a lot easier to believe the guy made a horrible mistake if you haven't watched several weeks of Nancy Grace's coverage. I haven't, so I'm not sure, but I have this nagging suspicion.
 
DeDee said:
RBBM



I object! Detectives are allowed to "lie" during interrogations in order to gain information or a confession to crimes. However, they are not allowed to lie while under oath to tell the truth.

IMHO, it matters little what the guy was doing at work while his son was outside suffering from heat stroke and death. He could have been deeply involved in developing a software program that could save the world and my opinion would not change regarding his malicious intent.
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BBM-

First two paragraphs of article.

ATLANTA—Two weeks ago, a Cobb County detective sat in a courtroom and presented a barrage of details that turned Justin Ross Harris into a pariah, a man widely seen as a monster who purposely left his 22-month-old son in a sweltering car to die.


But a review by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of some of the state’s evidence shows authorities may have overstated some of their case during the July 3 hearing. A close review by the AJC of video from a surveillance camera at the Home Depot office complex where Harris worked revealed discrepancies—some striking—with assertions made by Detective Phil Stoddard on the witness stand.

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ATLANTA—
Two weeks ago, a Cobb County detective sat in a courtroom and presented a barrage of details that turned Justin Ross Harris into a pariah, a man widely seen as a monster who purposely left his 22-month-old son in a sweltering car to die.
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That's correct.
 
Hiya, magnolia. I read the entire boston.com article before posting my comments. I read the AJC article when it initially came out. I watched the PCH [several times] and do not believe Stoddard would lie under oath in the PCH since the same information will be repeated at trial.

Case in point: Detective Mark Fuhrman invoked his Fifth Amendment privileges during the OJ trial. The DAs office charged MF with felony perjury for testimony offered outside the presence of the jury. He accepted a plea and is now a convicted felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman
 
some things just don't make sense 2 me.

for instance, if your gonna leave yr child in a hot car to die, and you've researched child deaths in hot cars, you know it doesn't take very long for a child to die in a hot car.

so your gonna do it that way? in the most suspicious way possible? all day long???

also, your an IT guy. you KNOW nothing on your computer is hidden. yet you search hot car child deaths 5 days b4 you do it? and you are planning this? there are computers that could not be traced all over the city.

also, you kill your son, yet you settext all day long??????? as if you arent going to be looked at???? does that make sense to anyone? I mean, he PLANNED THIS? right???
 
costalpilot said:
some things just don't make sense 2 me.

for instance, if your gonna leave yr child in a hot car to die, and you've researched child deaths in hot cars, you know it doesn't take very long for a child to die in a hot car.

so your gonna do it that way? in the most suspicious way possible? all day long???

also, your an IT guy. you KNOW nothing on your computer is hidden. yet you search hot car child deaths 5 days b4 you do it? and you are planning this? there are computers that could not be traced all over the city.

also, you kill your son, yet you settext all day long??????? as if you arent going to be looked at???? does that make sense to anyone? I mean, he PLANNED THIS? right???
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Doesn't make sense, but I just read the Ann rule book about David Brown who got his daughter and his wife's sister to kill his wife.

He lied to the police so obviously once he was under the microscope.

sociopaths have no clue about their own behavior.

It is all a out them and no one else counts. They are too cute, clever, important to ever be looked at.
 
costalpilot said:
some things just don't make sense 2 me.

for instance, if your gonna leave yr child in a hot car to die, and you've researched child deaths in hot cars, you know it doesn't take very long for a child to die in a hot car.

so your gonna do it that way? in the most suspicious way possible? all day long???

also, your an IT guy. you KNOW nothing on your computer is hidden. yet you search hot car child deaths 5 days b4 you do it? and you are planning this? there are computers that could not be traced all over the city.

also, you kill your son, yet you settext all day long??????? as if you arent going to be looked at???? does that make sense to anyone? I mean, he PLANNED THIS? right???
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I initially had the same thought about the sexting but I dunno... it seems pretty likely that he's been in the habit of sexting for a while already and if he had all his devices full of naked pics already it was probably too late to look like Mr. Goodyshoes anyway. If he normally sexted pretty much every day and if he hadn't sexted the day that Cooper died it might have looked odd as well. So why didn't you sext that day, was it different from normal somehow? And as sleazy as sexting might seem to some, it could serve as an excuse to be distracted. Oh I didn't remember Cooper because I was thinking of nude breasts, really unfortunate, but could happen to anyone...
 
human said:
Doesn't make sense, but I just read the Ann rule book about David Brown who got his daughter and his wife's sister to kill his wife.

He lied to the police so obviously once he was under the microscope.

sociopaths have no clue about their own behavior[/B].

It is all a out them and no one else counts. They are too cute, clever, important to ever be looked at.
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my bold.

OK makes some sense, but this guy had been successfully hiding a lot from his wife, his friends, his employer and his fellow employees. So, he at least was aware enough to know he needed to hide unsavory behavior, and he was able to do it on an ongoing basis, which came to an end only with the hot car death of his child. Since he was aware enough of that, imo it seems to me he would also know that he needed to hide a murder. So, why not leave the child in the hot car when the explanation would have been a LOT easier to swallow, say for 30 minutes or an hour?

Instead, he does it with the flimsiest alibi possible. On the way to work, all day long, and then....and this makes NO sense...he gets in a car that is supposedly reeking of death, and drives a couple of miles down the road...and he "planned" this?
 
Donjeta said:
I initially had the same thought about the sexting but I dunno... it seems pretty likely that he's been in the habit of sexting for a while already and if he had all his devices full of naked pics already it was probably too late to look like Mr. Goodyshoes anyway. If he normally sexted pretty much every day and if he hadn't sexted the day that Cooper died it might have looked odd as well. So why didn't you sext that day, was it different from normal somehow? And as sleazy as sexting might seem to some, it could serve as an excuse to be distracted. Oh I didn't remember Cooper because I was thinking of nude breasts, really unfortunate, but could happen to anyone...
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my IT comment and the use of his computer for suspicious behavior was also meant to apply to the hot car death searches, not the sexting....he knew his computer would be searched in the event, yet he did a hot car death 5 days b4 the event? Now maybe (one might say) he didn't think they would suspect him, so was surprised by the scrutiny. But imo anyone able to hide a 2nd life from everyone he knew would be familiar with the need for deceit and would consider the most glaring possibilities. Id go to a neutral computer to do that search if I was trying to find out how to do it: kinkos, the library, etc. Not on my personal computer.
 
costalpilot said:
my IT comment and the use of his computer for suspicious behavior was also meant to apply to the hot car death searches, not the sexting....he knew his computer would be searched in the event, yet he did a hot car death 5 days b4 the event? Now maybe (one might say) he didn't think they would suspect him, so was surprised by the scrutiny. But imo anyone able to hide a 2nd life from everyone he knew would be familiar with the need for deceit and would consider the most glaring possibilities. Id go to a neutral computer to do that search if I was trying to find out how to do it: kinkos, the library, etc. Not on my personal computer.
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Yeah, I think it might depend on when exactly he made the decision to kill Cooper like that. (If that's in fact what he did.)
I mean, while you're just playing around with the thought of doing somebody in you might end up doing all kinds of unwise research on your personal computer because it's not yet a plan, not yet a decision, just random thoughts that aren't going to get you arrested. Then, after you make the decision to actually do it, you realize that you've got all this stuff on your computer and try to delete it and think that it would have been better to go to an anonymous computer but it's too late. And if any of the material that gave him ideas was something he came across randomly (and not intentionally searching for just that) he wouldn't have known to be on an anonymous computer beforehand.

In my library you have to sign in with your personal library card and pin code in order to use the computers to search the internet so it's not totally anonymous there.
 
costalpilot said:
my bold.

OK makes some sense, but this guy had been successfully hiding a lot from his wife, his friends, his employer and his fellow employees. So, he at least was aware enough to know he needed to hide unsavory behavior, and he was able to do it on an ongoing basis, which came to an end only with the hot car death of his child. Since he was aware enough of that, imo it seems to me he would also know that he needed to hide a murder. So, why not leave the child in the hot car when the explanation would have been a LOT easier to swallow, say for 30 minutes or an hour?

Instead, he does it with the flimsiest alibi possible. On the way to work, all day long, and then....and this makes NO sense...he gets in a car that is supposedly reeking of death, and drives a couple of miles down the road...and he "planned" this?
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What had he been hiding from his wife?

There is testimony on here somewhere that texts revealed that LH knew about his cheating.

Do we know his employer had a clue?

He was passed over for a promotion. Who knows. There could have been 50 or 100 or more people more qualified than he is.
Typical of a sociopath to think they are the best and entitled. After all, he was going to be the Vice Pres at HD.

Yup. Sociopaths think they are so much cuter, smarter, etc than the rest of us.

It is so hard to believe, but read about them. They have tunnel vision. They do not see how ridiculous they are to people who are not in their net. I mean captured in the sociopath's web, like a spider
 
human said:
What had he been hiding from his wife?

There is testimony on here somewhere that texts revealed that LH knew about his cheating.

Do we know his employer had a clue?

He was passed over for a promotion. Who knows. There could have been 50 or 100 or more people more qualified than he is.
Typical of a sociopath to think they are the best and entitled. After all, he was going to be the Vice Pres at HD.

Yup. Sociopaths think they are so much cuter, smarter, etc than the rest of us.

It is so hard to believe, but read about them. They have tunnel vision. They do not see how ridiculous they are to people who are not in their net. I mean captured in the sociopath's web, like a spider
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1. its not been established exactly what the wife knew or didn't know, imo. I would appreciate a link that does establish it.

2. imo had HD known he was texting anyone all day, much less sexting women, he would have been fired.

3. I really don't think you've convinced me that he wasn't hiding his secret life from a lot of people. In fact there is testimony that he was, not to mention, I think, it a reasonable assumption that HD knew nothing about it. It is unreasonable to suggest they knew, imo.
 
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