FL FL - Altamonte Springs, WhtFem 67UFFL, 15-23, 'Ginger', may be from MI, Aug'73

[carbuff]

Megan Emerick would probably be a rule out by LE based on the time period. She went missing from Alaska July 7 1973 and Ginger was found in Aug 1973 near to complete skeletal so she'd been there at least 6 months probably over a year.

The NCMEC poster says "deceased for at least one month, but could have been as long as year." So the timeline might just fit if Hansen was telling the truth about not killing her. He didn't take any of his other victims out of the area, it seems. And the resemblance is pretty strong.

 

[Sleuthster]

The NCMEC poster says "deceased for at least one month, but could have been as long as year." So the timeline might just fit if Hansen was telling the truth about not killing her. He didn't take any of his other victims out of the area, it seems. And the resemblance is pretty strong.

Are you referring to Megan Emerick fitting? She was only missing a month when the Doe was found or are you referring to Mary Wosolowski which had been missing much longer.

 

[carbuff]

Are you referring to Megan Emerick fitting? She was only missing a month when the Doe was found or are you referring to Mary Wosolowski which had been missing much longer.

Megan Emrick. She went missing July 7 and the body was found August 22, so there's a bit over a month, and Ginger's NCMEC poster says "She had been deceased for at least one month, but could have been as long as year." http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1184260/1/screen. So she can't be ruled out on timeline alone.

 

[sam spade]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3081dfmi.html

Patricia hails from a town that's just under 2 hours away from Ann Arbor.

 

[carbuff]

Patricia certainly fits the description. Here she is side by side with one of the reconstructions. The biggest difference is around the eyes -- and the other reconstruction shows deeper set eyes with more prominent brows, similar to Patricia's. And check out the ears.

But it looks like they don't have any identifiers for Patricia, so I don't know how they'd make a match.

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's another new addition to Namus.

Diane Todd
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/31545/0


Date LKA: April 10, 1973
Age LKA 18
Loc LKA Fairfax, Virginia

Ms. Todd was last seen on April 10, 1973 after leaving her residence on Okla Drive with some friends. She has not been seen or heard from since.

There is no apparent connection to Ann Arbor MI, but she seems to be a pretty good possible for Ginger in other respects. This pic of her appears much younger than 18, but she looks pretty close to the recon, nevertheless.

 

[Springrain]

Here's another new addition to Namus.

Diane Todd
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/31545/0


Date LKA: April 10, 1973
Age LKA 18
Loc LKA Fairfax, Virginia

Ms. Todd was last seen on April 10, 1973 after leaving her residence on Okla Drive with some friends. She has not been seen or heard from since.

There is no apparent connection to Ann Arbor MI, but she seems to be a pretty good possible for Ginger in other respects. This pic of her appears much younger than 18, but she looks pretty close to the recon, nevertheless.

This is very very far fetched: what about Buckskin Girl?

 

[Springrain]

I can see Diane as possible to "Ginger". I mean it is far-fetched that she is BG.

 

[CarlK90245]

ff Topic: This is very very far fetched: what about Buckskin Girl?

Cheekbones are too broad

 

[AllisonS]

I think Diane Todd's pic looks very similar to this reconstruction pic for Ginger:

 

[tatertot]

What if the woman who held the purse for Jane Doe confused Diane's hometown of Annandale, VA, with Ann Arbor, MI? You sometimes hear about that phenomenon where someone confuses similar-sounding place names, even less similar ones like Iowa vs. Ohio.

 

[Coffee56]

Rose Lena Cole still does not seem to be ruled out. Correct age, height, hair color and her teeth appear to be crooked. Date is off by a couple months but date of dissapearance is described as "can't quite be pinned down". Last known contact was in Dec 72. Was last known to be in MI. If she left at that time or in early spring she would have headed South. Its cold in MI if you're a runaway. Past history would make it very likely that she would fall in with a mortorcycle gang. Bad Boy, dangerous (maybe a little too dangerous). Everything a girl that age who is mad at her parents would look for. I believe someone in the motorcycle gang did murder these girls but could have been any of them. He may have been sent to fetch the purse before he ended up in the same place

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2368dfca.html

 

[Triss]

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

First Name	Last Name	Year of Birth	State LKA
Cynthia	Coon	Unknown	Michigan
Judy	Davis	1956	Florida
Helen	Green	1958	Illinois
Pamela	Hobley	1954	Michigan
Pamela	Hobley	1954	Michigan
Gail	Joiner	1959	Florida
Debora	Lowe	1958	Florida
Kathleen	Rogers	Unknown	California
Denise	Sheehy	1954	New York
Kathy	Wilcox	Unknown	Michigan

 

[theshadow45]

I think Diane Todd http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/todd_diane.html is unlikely, she had braces at the time she went missing. A few other possibilities, but I think there's a good chance that this girl wasn't reported missing: Joyce Brewer http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brewer_joyce.html has burn scars on her torso, but the injuries may not have been visible on a skeleton. Alexis Duggan http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/duggan_alexis.html had a child at the time of her disappearance. Helen Allison http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/allison_helen.html and Sherry Pickle http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pickle_sherry.html have little information available.

 

[carbuff]

Rose Cole, Diane Todd, Joyce Brewer, Alexis Duggan, Helen Allison, and Sherry Pickle all have DNA in Namus and are therefore ruleouts by default.

 

[booghawk]

New recon:

 

[carbuff]

That's a very nice artist's interpretation.

Ruleouts Unidentified Person Case

Cynthia Coon

Judy Davis

Helen Green

Pamela Hobley

Gail Joiner

Debora Lowe

Kathleen Rodgers

Denise Sheehy

Kathy Wilcox

 

[Bit of hope]

Rose Cole, Diane Todd, Joyce Brewer, Alexis Duggan, Helen Allison, and Sherry Pickle all have DNA in Namus and are therefore ruleouts by default.

Hi there Carbuff. This still confuses me...maybe you can explain. Why are there girls, also with DNA, (for example Judy Davis) on the Namus rule out list, and so not ruled out by default?

Is it correct that there are cases where both UID and MP's DNA is in CODIS, ruled out by default and not explicitly named on the Namus rule out list? As there are cases where there is DNA available but somewhere else and not yet in the system or the DNA is not available or pending, they have to make a comparison by "hand" and if there is not a match the put this MP on the rule out list? And how is UNTCHI related?

 

[carbuff]

Hi there Carbuff. This still confuses me...maybe you can explain. Why are there girls, also with DNA, (for example Judy Davis) on the Namus rule out list, and so not ruled out by default?

Is it correct that there are cases where both UID and MP's DNA is in CODIS, ruled out by default and not explicitly named on the Namus rule out list? As there are cases where there is DNA available but somewhere else and not yet in the system or the DNA is not available or pending, they have to make a comparison by "hand" and if there is not a match the put this MP on the rule out list? And how is UNTCHI related?

When the UID's DNA is run against the system and no match comes back, essentially everybody in the database has been ruled out. That's the ruleout by default. Depending on the LE or medical examiner and the details of the case, they might check by hand to make sure there wasn't a false negative.

Matches suggested by the software, whether dentals or general stats match or whatever, are listed when LE marks them as ruled out, but it's up to LE whether that list is public. LE can hide everything, make only certain names public, whatever. They also have the option to add names of people who aren't suggested by the system, such as when a missing person from Canada is ruled out.

There are cases where LE or the medical examiner for whatever reason decide to hold the DNA. There are cases where even when both parties have DNA, the ruleout is made by dentals or fingerprints. There are cases where the ruleout was made before both parties had DNA.

Hope that helps.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

TY Carbuff had a question mark in my mind as that I have been seeing a variance on ruleouts i.e. there will be 14 exclusions in the top right corner of the screen however only 11 exclusions listed. From your post I gather that the reason for the variance is that the agency can choose wether to have the MP or UID listed as public or private. If its private the exclusion is accounted for number wise however it is just not listed.

Hope I explained what I've been seeing lately....