FL FL - Altamonte Springs, WhtFem 67UFFL, 15-23, 'Ginger', may be from MI, Aug'73

[SimsGuy67]

New NCMEC rendering:

Have you seen this child? Jane Altamonte Springs Doe 1973

Missing From: Altamonte Springs, FL. Missing Date: August 22, 1973. An unidentified female was found deceased in Altamonte Springs, Florida on August 22, 1973. Her body was found in a densely wooded area used as a garbage dump near State Route 431. She had been deceased for at least one month...

www.missingkids.org

Now they removed the 2023 reconstruction when I look at her profile? What happened?

 

[Classito]

Charley Project
Kathy Wilcox

• Missing Since 07/12/1972
• Missing From Otsego, Michigan
• Classification Endangered Missing
• Sex Female
• Race White
• Date of Birth 12/25/1956 (67)
• Age 15 years old
• Height and Weight 5'4, 130 pounds

"Her sister is still alive and searching for her. She stated Kathy had become rebellious prior to her disappearance and was associating with rough people"

 

[carbuff]

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Charley Project
Kathy Wilcox

• Missing Since 07/12/1972
• Missing From Otsego, Michigan
• Classification Endangered Missing
• Sex Female
• Race White
• Date of Birth 12/25/1956 (67)
• Age 15 years old
• Height and Weight 5'4, 130 pounds

"Her sister is still alive and searching for her. She stated Kathy had become rebellious prior to her disappearance and was associating with rough people"

Kathy was one of the earliest exclusions and it looks like she was recently ruled out again.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

The current exclusions list:

MP55699 Victoria Bowers 05/30/1973 Volusia FL

MP7828 Niki Britten 07/16/1969 Linn OR

MP2501 Cynthia Coon 04/02/1970 Washtenaw MI

MP26255 Judy Davis 05/13/1972 Duval FL

MP24164 Helen Green 01/01/1971 Cook IL

MP11478 Pamela Hobley 10/31/1969 Iosco MI

MP4632 Gail Joiner 09/22/1972 Hillsborough FL

MP21165 Janet Kramer 01/01/1971 Kandiyohi MN

MP21165 Janet Kramer 01/01/1971 Kandiyohi MN

MP6309 Charlotte Loomis 09/01/1972 Monmouth NJ

MP3980 Debora Lowe 02/29/1972 Broward FL

MP22528 Kathleen Rodgers 03/03/1973 Butte CA

MP5533 Denise Sheehy 07/07/1970 Queens NY

MP11479 Patricia Spencer 10/31/1969 Iosco MI

MP55832 Patricia Wagner 10/20/1972 Hudson NJ

MP1832 Kathy Wilcox 07/12/1972 Allegan MI

MP1832 Kathy Wilcox 07/12/1972 AlleganvMI

 

[Classito]

Kathy was one of the earliest exclusions and it looks like she was recently ruled out again.

Thank you!

 

[MagicCityMan]

Kathy was one of the earliest exclusions and it looks like she was recently ruled out again.

So does that mean when we see a name repeated it means they made a secondary comparison? I always just assumed it was a clerical error....

 

[subaw0067]

So does that mean when we see a name repeated it means they made a secondary comparison? I always just assumed it was a clerical error....

Yes, it means secondary comparison.

 

[MagicCityMan]

Yes, it means secondary comparison.

Well I must say I love the thoroughness of double checking when there may be another angle or maybe updated information .

 

[carbuff]

So does that mean when we see a name repeated it means they made a secondary comparison? I always just assumed it was a clerical error....

I think sometimes it's just a recheck to make sure no mistakes were made, but usually it's because of either a request from the LE investigating the missing person or significant new data like DNA being added. Since Florida recently budgeted a lot of money for DNA testing and cold case investigations, my first guess would be that they got better DNA for "Ginger" and retested Kathy because she's such a likely candidate.

 

[Romulus]

67UFFL - Unidentified Female​

Reconstructions by NCMEC and the University of South Florida; earlier clay renderings of the victim.

Date of Discovery: August 22, 1973
Location of Discovery: Altamonte Springs, Seminole County, Florida
Estimated Date of Death: 1 - 12 months prior, perhaps July 1973
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Cause of Death: Homicide

Physical Description​

Estimated Age: 13-18 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 5'1" to 5'7"
Weight: Unknown, but had slender build
Hair Color: Light to dark brown, wavy, shoulder length and pulled back into a short ponytail; held with a rubber band.
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Sacralization of the fifth lumbar vertebra.

Identifiers​

Dentals: Available. Possibly crooked teeth. Loose teeth found during screenings of surrounding soil.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: None.
Jewelry: White gold, size 6 ring with alexandrite setting, suggesting her birth date may have been in June. The ring was manufactured and/or sold at Davidson & Son Jewelers in New York City.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery​

The victim's remains were located in a densely wooded area used as a garbage dump near State Route 431 in Altamonte Springs. The location is along Forest City Road, near Lake Lotus. She was found underneath the body of 18-year-old Laura Lynn Harberts, a homicide victim for whom Joseph "Crazy Joe" Robert Spaziano, a member of the Outlaws motorcycle club, was charged with killing in the mid-1970's.

A witness said that in the spring of 1973, she saw Spaziano at Daytona Beach with a young girl riding on the back of his motorcycle. The girl asked her to hold her purse for safekeeping. The girl didn't pick up her purse after the motorcycle ride. Five days later Spaziano showed up at her door and demanded the purse. She turned it over, but not before peeking inside for the identification. She told investigators that she remembered only that the girl was from Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Spaziano avoided the death penalty in Ms. Harberts' case, as a key witness for the prosecution recanted his testimony which would have implicated Spaziano in the crime. His first-degree murder conviction was overturned in 1998 and Spaziano pleaded no contest to a lesser charge of second-degree murder. He is currently serving a life sentence in a Florida prison for the rape and mutilation of a teenage girl from Orlando, Florida.

Chemical isotope testing suggested she was born in the Pacific Northwest or Western United States and resided in the Midwest prior to her death.

The victim is known as "Ginger" to investigators. She was possibly a runaway.

Investigating Agency(s)​

Agency Name: District 7 Medical Examiner - Volusia
Agency Contact Person: Karla Orozco, Medicolegal Death Investigator
Agency Phone Number: (386) 258-4060
Agency E-Mail: korozco(at)volusia.org
Agency Case Number: 1973-01322

Agency Name: District 24 Medical Examiner's Office
Agency Contact Person: Marie Herrmann
Agency Phone Number: 386-258-4060
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: 1973-01322

Agency Name: Seminole County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: Det. Jennifer Spears
Agency Phone Number: 407-665-6847 or 407-665-6650
Agency E-Mail: jspears(at)seminolesheriff.org
Agency Case Number: 1973-00001322

NCIC Case Number: U100025550
NamUs Case Number: 1341
NCMEC Case Number: 1184260

Information Source(s)​

NamUs
NCMEC
WFTV
Seminole County Sheriff's Office (Youtube)
University of South Florida
Florida Unidentified Decedents Database
Seminole County Sheriff's Office

67UFFL

 

[Romulus]

Sherry Jean Pickle?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Romulus]

Rose Cole, Diane Todd, Joyce Brewer, Alexis Duggan, Helen Allison, and Sherry Pickle all have DNA in Namus and are therefore ruleouts by default.

I don't understand, so Sherry Pickle should also be included in the excluded list? Her DNA doesn't match anyone right?

 

[Romulus]

Denise Kathleen Anderson​

https://charleyprojecto.rg/case/denise-kathleen-anderson

 

[Romulus]

Paula Ann Pope​

Paula Ann Pope – The Charley Project

Sharon Hensley​

Sharon Hensley – The Charley Project

Rosemarie Roginski​

Rosemarie Roginski – The Charley Project

 

[carbuff]

I don't understand, so Sherry Pickle should also be included in the excluded list? Her DNA doesn't match anyone right?

The DNA for everybody in the database Namus uses gets compared automatically to everybody else, so technically everybody with DNA that doesn't match is on the exclusions list. They don't list them specifically because it would be thousands of names long.

We've since found that the automatic exclusion isn't necessarily as accurate as we thought it was in the early days of Namus DNA, so if somebody is a strong match, it's worth submitting specifically.

 

[Caring1]

The DNA for everybody in the database Namus uses gets compared automatically to everybody else, so technically everybody with DNA that doesn't match is on the exclusions list. They don't list them specifically because it would be thousands of names long.

We've since found that the automatic exclusion isn't necessarily as accurate as we thought it was in the early days of Namus DNA, so if somebody is a strong match, it's worth submitting specifically.

That’s good to know. Thank you.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Has anyone actually submitted Sylvia Torgow for this Doe and if so, does someone remember what response there was?

 

[carbuff]

Has anyone actually submitted Sylvia Torgow for this Doe and if so, does someone remember what response there was?

Sylvia has been submitted from multiple web investigating groups, and LE has indicated they are investigating. Sometimes these things are painfully slow.

Sylvia's thread on Webseuths: MI - MI - Sylvia Torgow, 18, Plymouth, 17 Sept 1970

 

[SleutherGirl]

Ah, got it carbuff. Thank you.