GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[cottonweaver]

Lol someone will sort that out I'm sure

And, that just reminded me - he pulls up the blind on the window on his way down the stairs.
Interesting action for someone who has just been told the police are waiting for him, at 7am. Surely he didn't think they had turned up just for a chat at that time of the day ? So was he trying to be super cool and calm or was he checking outside to see how many police cars there were.

It's so he can throw in the "garage " comment, and if they still haven't registered it, he says it to Jamie.

poor Jamie thinking - WTF u talking about garages for Dad, ur about to be arrested (no I don't think we've been burgled over night) "


On the will prep . Pre solicitors

Wonder if he did say, let me help you with the drafting of that, here's mine can you correct my grammar and then I'll have a look at yours.
Is that what you are thinking Tortoise? Or are you saying this is a faked email?

 

[Alyce]

OK, here's my letter to The Times letters and also corrections editor:

"In yesterday’s report on the murder of Helen Bailey, your reporter says in the box headed ‘Devoted to the last , she even altered her will’
‘If one incident crystallises Stewart’s betrayal of his fiancée, it is the fact that she had intervened to stop him taking the sleeping drug that subsequently he would use in her murder. Ms Bailey asked Stewart to give up Zoplicone after discovering that it was not advised for sufferers of his muscular condition myasthenia gravis.’

This was Stewart’s testimony, but it was a lie designed to support his assertion that she took the Zoplicone herself. There was no evidence she had any idea he’d had a prescription for Zoplicone. It was entirely secret, that was the whole point.

I followed this case very closely, and consider that your account relies far too heavily on Stewart’s own testimony, which everyone now knows (if they didn’t before) was entirely unreliable."

ETA I'm afraid they won't think it matters, though - the caravan has moved on.

Excellent Moll. And, even if they don't take notice, I still think you are right to set the record straight. It might, just might, make them take a bit more care in future.

 

[LozDa]

Morning team Helen and Boris......shame the boys didn't offer a bit more....or...are they still in shock?

Did you all notice how IS flicked his cone head hair up when arrested in the stairway.......we need a gif of that......tw@t.

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[Tortoise]

Lol someone will sort that out I'm sure

And, that just reminded me - he pulls up the blind on the window on his way down the stairs.
Interesting action for someone who has just been told the police are waiting for him, at 7am. Surely he didn't think they had turned up just for a chat at that time of the day ? So was he trying to be super cool and calm or was he checking outside to see how many police cars there were.

He was probably checking to see if there was a JCB or similar outside.

 

[Interested Bystander]

This will is effective even if I die before marrying . yes I see what you're saying T.

Not very solicitor speak is it?
Not very HB in clumsy syntax either. ( we all have diff written styles for formal and informal contexts and I do think, had she been sat at her desk writing this, she would have rephrased that. )

somewhat unrelated
The point LRichards made about mutual discussion of wills and "what if" financial scenarios also reminded me of an earlier post about "mirror wills". It happened to someone I knew. We'll never get to hear what he told her about the will he would make in turn but in my experience it can be a convenient opener into suggesting an OH does x.y.z.

Also Richards reiterated a point also raised on WS - IS likely BS'ed about his relative poverty and that's why Timms spoke on the stand " of the IS accounts that we managed to find." The "play money" left over from his house sale etc.

( BTW LRichards also made some interesting analyses on the Pistorius case a few years back.)

Re the play money. Did he not buy himself a new/newishbBMW with a private number plate. It looks like a BMW X3 which are not cheap and would likely have swallowed up a large amount of his play money. Though it is possible he may not have bought a brand new one. I couldn't make out the number plate on the photos we have seen.

 

[Florrie]

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It's Jamie who interests me in that video...he's in shock and looks at his Dad waiting for maybe a denial which did not come. Notice that he makes no attempt to touch or comfort Ian when he slumps/sits down. He's just stood there.

I suspect Jamie knew from that moment his Dad had killed Helen.

And yes that comment "is that why the garage doors are open" is very telling. I bet he doesn't even remember saying that.


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[cottonweaver]

@ Interested Bystander


IDK the financial details on the BMW.

he bought? HB bought? He leased ?

 

[Alyce]

This is just horrid! Was it purposeful?

I've said this way earlier in the threads, but it still bothers me. It's the thing that always rattled my cage from the very beginning; this bit of his released appeal to Helen when she was missing:

"I hope you hear this message and listen carefully"

Listen carefully? I've never, ever understood it in any natural sense of her being missing and it was the first time I was absolutely sure he had something to do with it.

Why would you ever say that to someone who is missing? Of course they would be listening carefully. It's so redundant, but also so aggressive.

Eurgh, every time I read it on an article, it grinds my gears.

I think - re the Electra Brown quote - he was just copying her words. I am sure he read all the books in order to get to know his chosen victim as much as he could ( I nearly typed in every way there, but thought better of it ! )

He has no verbal or written skill that I have seen.

Yes, that listen carefully was a very weird way to express himself. In some strange way, it reminded me of his line about his sons choosing a bedroom each. In both instances, he sounds as though he is talking to or about a child.

 

[neteditor]

The Hadlands/ Bovington poisoner (I forget his name) was partly convicted by analysis of one of his victim's ashes, however in this case the poisoner was using the heavy elemental metal thallium. Zopiclone, being an organic substance, would be totally destroyed during cremation. So I would have thought that Diane's ashes would be useless to trace anything, unless IS was stupid and used something like arsenic or mercury to poison her.

As it was an unexpected death with no obvious physical cause, we can be certain that a full toxicology profile was carried out. This would definitely have picked up arsenic or mercury and I think also zopiclone and any other medications such as paracetamol. They would certainly have been looking for any overdose of something. Harking back to the sad death of David Coulthard's sister, again no sign of physical cause of death but the pathology picked up that she had (presumably accidentally) taken too much of her prescribed medication.

 

[LozDa]

It's Jamie who interests me in that video...he's in shock and looks at his Dad waiting for maybe a denial which did not come. Notice that he makes no attempt to touch or comfort Ian when he slumps/sits down. He's just stood there.

I suspect Jamie knew from that moment his Dad had killed Helen.

And yes that comment "is that why the garage doors are open" is very telling. I bet he doesn't even remember saying that.


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Me too Re: Jamie. I think exactly the same thing. You can see his shock and he's waiting for the denial that never comes.

 

[Interested Bystander]

I was just looking at this line in Helen's will

"I am expecting to marry IAN STEWART (Ian). My marriage to him does not revoke this will. This will is effective even if I die before marrying Ian."

Does anyone agree with me that this does not sound like something Helen would have written? She was so smart with words. Why would Helen think that dying would make her will ineffective?

I am wondering if he drafted it with her, and she never noticed the futility of that line? It's not something a solicitor would suggest I'm sure.

If Helen did not know that a will is revoked on marriage I am sure he did. I can see him saying "but what if something awful happened and I am living in this big house with no income". I really wouldn't put it past him to have had a hand in the drafting of her wishes.

I think a lot of people are not aware that on marriage a will is automatically revoked, especially those who choose to write their own on a W H Smith Will form!

 

[neteditor]

Re the play money. Did he not buy himself a new/newishbBMW with a private number plate. It looks like a BMW X3 which are not cheap and would likely have swallowed up a large amount of his play money. Though it is possible he may not have bought a brand new one. I couldn't make out the number plate on the photos we have seen.

I don't think we have ever ascertained how the BMW was acquired, only that it was during their relationship as they thought Helen might find driving an automatic easier. So I have presumed it was originally bought for her to drive but he became the main user once she decided it didn't suit her. Wasn't there something said that she had bought the private number plate for him?

 

[Interested Bystander]

IDK the financial details on the BMW.

he bought? HB bought? He leased ?

You are right, looking back I don't think we have definite information about who bought the car.

 

[Tortoise]

It's so he can throw in the "garage " comment, and if they still haven't registered it, he says it to Jamie.

poor Jamie thinking - WTF u talking about garages for Dad, ur about to be arrested (no I don't think we've been burgled over night) "


On the will prep . Pre solicitors

Wonder if he did say, let me help you with the drafting of that, here's mine can you correct my grammar and then I'll have a look at yours.
Is that what you are thinking Tortoise? Or are you saying this is a faked email?

Something like 'we need to get our wills sorted out, you're busy with your book, I can get on with that..hey Helen, do I need to put in something about what we want to happen if one of us dies (particularly you) before we get married? better to be safe than sorry eh...'

 

[Cherwell]

"I am expecting to marry IAN STEWART (Ian). My marriage to him does not revoke this will. This will is effective even if I die before marrying Ian."

But that phrase (in bold) is completely redundant, surely. It doesn't need to be there.

 

[LozDa]

"I am expecting to marry IAN STEWART (Ian). My marriage to him does not revoke this will. This will is effective even if I die before marrying Ian."

But that phrase (in bold) is completely redundant, surely. It doesn't need to be there.

He was just making sure. He's the stupidest psychopath I think I've ever come across. It's quite intriguing actually.

 

[Tortoise]

Me too Re: Jamie. I think exactly the same thing. You can see his shock and he's waiting for the denial that never comes.

And 'oh God, is Helen dead then?'

 

[Interested Bystander]

"I am expecting to marry IAN STEWART (Ian). My marriage to him does not revoke this will. This will is effective even if I die before marrying Ian."

But that phrase (in bold) is completely redundant, surely. It doesn't need to be there.

Without this clause her will would automatically be revoked by marriage and would then fall under the laws of intestacy in which case it would all go to him with no other beneficiaries. You are right that clause was unnecessary. What we are led to believe is that she was still thinking about her final will and possible other beneficiaries which made it even more imperative that the greedy sod killed her before this happened.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Morning All!

Moll - excellent letter to the Times and thank you, because after making a special journey to buy it yesterday I was very disappointed by the lazy journalism. They clearly had not followed the case throughout as we had and the report contained far too much of IS' version of events. I also didn't like the unproven embellishments - ie that he put the Zopiclone in scrambled eggs (as I've said umpteen times, my experiment proved to me he did not put that bitter tablet in food or drink but doctored her supplements). I also thought the bit about Boris being lured to the cesspit with a dog toy and following Helen into it, 'loyal to the end', was speculative and distasteful.

Re the personalised number plate I didn't know IS bought one, but I have read that Helen gave her late husband JS' number plate to Jamie Stewart.

A thought occurred to me this morning and I hope I'm wrong. It's the way Jamie and Oliver Stewart were escorted to their waiting car yesterday. As I mentioned before, I know from my stint on the NoW they will have been aggressively targeted by all the tabloids and offered big money for the exclusive rights to their story. It is possible they have taken the dosh, and we'll see a big centre spread interview with them somewhere over the weekend. Any tabloid is possible but my bet's the Mail. I will sit tight and see but if they have done this, I will lose a lot of sympathy for them.

 

[Tortoise]

Without this clause her will would automatically be revoked by marriage and would then fall under the laws of intestacy in which case it would all go to him with no other beneficiaries. What we are led to believe is that she was still thinking about her final will and possible other beneficiaries which made it even more imperative that the greedy sod killed her before this happened.

That part is about before marriage not after.