TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #42

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And that would lead us to believe that at least as of April, MPD did NOT know who did it. Otherwise Johnson wouldn't have said that his detectives are split on whether it's a man or a woman. Unless he's lying.

This ^
 

Thanks for the link. JMHO MPD does have POIs but the article states contradictory info on that subject as others pointed out.

Investigators still have “persons of interest” in the Missy Bevers murder probe, but they are keeping key evidence a secret for now, Midlothian, Texas, Assistant Police Chief Kevin Johnson said.

then this:

Johnson acknowledges that his detectives are “split” on two major questions: Is the killer a man or a woman and was the killing targeted at Bevers or random? They have determined that the person walking the church hallways is between 5’2” and 5’7.”

IMO The way LE is dealing with the "public scrutiny" is to float ambiguous statements such as these.


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One of the pieces that doesn't fit here is that they attacked her chest. That's personal. Just taking her out they would go for the head

As we don't know exactly where or under which circumstances the attack occurred, lack of light could have led to that kind of injuries. Also, the attacker may have aimed for the head and missed for some reason. Could be personal too. Just wanted to include additional possibilities.

-Nin
 
It's been more than three months since Brandon Bevers said the following to crimeonline.com:

Missy’s family (the Strickland’s) will be reaching out to a local newspaper editor in the next couple of weeks. For the very first time, they will inform the public about their grieving, and struggles surrounding all of this– with this editor only. I have chosen to remain quiet until the Strickland’s have had this opportunity. My credibility in the court of public opinion is pretty much shot at this point, so I prefer the Strickland’s have this opportunity to share their experiences before I ever speak publically again. I think the public would like to hear what they have to say, and rightfully so given their silence. They are a very private, close knit family, and have my upmost respect for remaining quiet up to this point.


(My note to add: A. No such interview has been published. B. Bold was made on the crimeonline site; unsure if BB or an editor there made it. C. "Stricklands" plural should have no apostrophe.)
 
Thanks for the link. JMHO MPD does have POIs but the article states contradictory info on that subject as others pointed out.

Investigators still have “persons of interest” in the Missy Bevers murder probe, but they are keeping key evidence a secret for now, Midlothian, Texas, Assistant Police Chief Kevin Johnson said.

then this:

Johnson acknowledges that his detectives are “split” on two major questions: Is the killer a man or a woman and was the killing targeted at Bevers or random? They have determined that the person walking the church hallways is between 5’2” and 5’7.”

IMO The way LE is dealing with the "public scrutiny" is to float ambiguous statements such as these.


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And it could be that LE has both male and female persons of interest... allowing for both statements to be true.
 
And it could be that LE has both male and female persons of interest... allowing for both statements to be true.

Agreed, there might be more than two POIs who planned it together but not be sure which one did it. I have had two couples on my "list" since week one (not from the warrants) and it could be either male or female in that video, though my money would be on the two women wanting to get rid of Missy.
 
Bringing forward Post # 237 Dated July 13, 2016 Thread 32
Composed by WS member Jethro4WS

Okay. But very briefly I believe that the SP did not think they would be seen on camera and what they were doing after leaving the door from room 12. That combined with the item in their left hand creating additional motion and bad timing on their part it was all actually caught on video. But here comes the long winded version. It is long.

The one mistake, I believe was the last piece of the long video MPD released. I don't believe that they thought they would be seen on video. And it is my belief that instead of simply smashing the glass inward on the door they were breaking they were cracking it and making a small hole and then pulling the glass back into the hall they were standing in. We saw them simply break a similar window in the main hall without getting any glass in the hall and in less time (even though MPD did slow the video at the end).

I believe that if they had not been standing left of the window they were breaking and they especially did not have that item in their left hand moving about they wouldn't have been seen on that camera because there wouldn't be enough movement to get the camera to start recording.

The way these kinds of cameras are set up is by defining the field of view to "watch" for "movement". That is usually done by having a view of the empty hall as it should normally appear when you don't expect anyone there and then drawing a rectangle across the view of what the camera sees and setting a threshold for "movement". The problem is rectangles have straight lines and right angles. There is a white line across the floor from left to right in the view of that camera just past the door the SP comes out of. If the camera was straight that line would also appear straight but as you see in the video it angles from the left "up" to the right. So if you were to take a still shot of that and bring to a drawing program and place a rectangle, or square across it you will see that the camera can "see" behind the line but only to the right of the camera and only if there is enough movement. Incidentally, that is why it appears SP moves leftward out of that door even though they are going straight across the hall.

"Movement" is detected by determining the number of pixels that have changed from some reference image of that hall and if enough of them have (perhaps as a percent) you meet the threshold to begin the process of detecting movement. After that there is a series of these comparisons to see that not only that the change from the reference meets the threshold but that the parts of the reference image that have changed are different from image to image i.e motion. Having done that it has to meet one more threshold which is some defined period of time - a few seconds - over which this occurs to have the camera decide there is "movement". Only then will it start sending frames of video over the cables in the building to the machine that records it. When the amount of movement no longer meets that threshold the camera will stop sending the frames. These cameras usually have a few seconds of stored frames that get sent to the recorder after the movement ended.

So, when we see SP in the opening sequence of the long MPD video they are last seen at a kitchen door - in my opinion attempting to enter it. However, we only see that because it was part of the few seconds after last movement was detected. That is, somewhere before that SP was out of range. When they are in the south hall and go to the door after the dutch double doors recording stops after a few seconds because the open dutch doors (that are no longer moving) are effectively blocking the movement detection. We know that camera "sees" farther because when they appear coming back down the hall they are about 10 feet or so further down the hall than the location of the door they previously were at.

At the ending sequence we notice that the camera already is recording before the SP comes out of the door. How can that be? Well, only if there had been prior movement and it was long enough for the camera to determine it should record but that when it did all it saw was an empty hall - it was already just sending the last few seconds stored - until SP came out of room 12. If SP had been probably 2 seconds or so later opening the door of room 12 into the hall the camera would have already stopped recording and already have sent the last few seconds and the camera would have had to start the process all over again.

I know, long winded, but almost done. Since I believe that the burglary gone wrong scenario was staged, SP needed to have MPD believe that they broke through the door (at the end of the long MPD video) heading out after the murder - not before it. Seeing the SP breaking into that door, and making sure the glass was in the hall rather than inside the room behind that door allows MPD to know it was staged to look that way. The outer doors of the Northeast rear vestibule were smashed - all of them to one degree or another since they were all boarded up. No way to know where the glass was unless MPD tells us but my expectation is that it was mostly outside on the concrete.

We never see SP come towards the camera we see in the opening sequence - the vestibule doors smashed are right behind that camera. Nor do we see them come toward the camera we see at the end of the video - the vestibule doors are right around the corner to the right. So, when did those doors get smashed? I believe that was the point of entry and the point of exit. I base that on the fact that at the end opening sequence we see SP starting to enter a kitchen door. If they had entered through the kitchen in the first place, why go back there? MPD stated that the SP spent some time in the kitchen. That must be based on how long it was from when they entered the kitchen until we see them again in the main hall. Otherwise, how would they know? I truly don't believe that we are seeing the video out of sequence.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-32&p=12688377#post12688377

[video=youtube;ePS8TJ6UAqY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY[/video]

JMHO I do not believe that the video released by MPD speed was adjusted in anyway. The end that snip was zoomed that is evident. Logic says that since the MPD wanted public to watch the video and the mannerism of the Suspect, then they would show as is. Changing speed would alter how fast or slow possible POI would walk. again JMHO and the video released by MPD and the one by SWFA are the only ones I would look at. All others are altered, and they have no idea what other parts the MPD has on orig.
 
JMHO I do not believe that the video released by MPD speed was adjusted in anyway. The end that snip was zoomed that is evident. Logic says that since the MPD wanted public to watch the video and the mannerism of the Suspect, then they would show as is. Changing speed would alter how fast or slow possible POI would walk. again JMHO and the video released by MPD and the one by SWFA are the only ones I would look at. All others are altered, and they have no idea what other parts the MPD has on orig.

Mimi, it is too early in the morning to be confused. I lack understanding of why you quoted my post and and replied about watching only MPD and SWFA videos since it was a MPD video that I posted from MPD youtube channel. Help a DeDee to find understanding, please.

Only posting the link without converting to video:

Midlothian Texas Police Department
Published on Apr 22, 2016

Anyone with information is asked to contact the department's tip line at 972-775-7624. Tipsters may be eligible for a cash reward and can also remain anonymous by contacting Ellis County Crime Stoppers at 972-937-PAYS (7297).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY
 
As we don't know exactly where or under which circumstances the attack occurred, lack of light could have led to that kind of injuries. Also, the attacker may have aimed for the head and missed for some reason. Could be personal too. Just wanted to include additional possibilities.

-Nin

That was my thinking, but you beat me to it. I'm not ruling out a targeted killing because I believe there are enough red flags to warrant looking in that direction. I just lean toward a case of Missy being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If that turns out to be the case that will be tough for LE, because then it could be a stranger with no connection to Missy whatsoever. It could even be someone with almost no connection to the church whatsoever except for maybe one visit where they noticed the surveillance cameras.
 
DeDee: Why do you think you know why the FBI hasn't offered a reward? What is it in that article that gives you an answer? Not criticizing, wondering what I'm not seeing.
 
Interesting. More and more I'm leaning toward Missy not being targeted but in the wrong place at the wrong time. Whether Missy knew her killer or not, if they fled the scene there was a risk of Missy getting a license plate number or at least a vehicle description so it is just as likely she was hit with a hammer to prevent that sort of thing. If that is the case did SP intend to kill her? Or did they merely intend to render her unconscious and an adrenaline fueled attack got out of hand? We don't have the benefit of the autopsy report.

This was personal. Definitely not random. SP covered his/her tracks well.
 
This was personal. Definitely not random. SP covered his/her tracks well.

Agree. How could random killer have everything work in his or her favor -- no DNA evidence that we know of, no identifying images, apparently no one seeing perp coming or going including class full of students who showed up a short time later, outside cameras not working. And why would some random burglar dress up like that? Also, while I'm not accusing anyone, there have been odd behavior and weird comments from people who knew the victim, and family members seem to think it was targeted (i.e. mother-in-law's open letters).
 
Wouldn't Missy have had posters promoting her boot camp on the bulletin/events board in the church. Stating the days and times of classes. I think sp knew she was coming.

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This was personal. Definitely not random. SP covered his/her tracks well.

Agree. How could random killer have everything work in his or her favor -- no DNA evidence that we know of, no identifying images, apparently no one seeing perp coming or going including class full of students who showed up a short time later, outside cameras not working. And why would some random burglar dress up like that? Also, while I'm not accusing anyone, there have been odd behavior and weird comments from people who knew the victim, and family members seem to think it was targeted (i.e. mother-in-law's open letters).

The tactical outfit takes care of containing the DNA and concealing identity. But it isn't proof of targeting. It's just proof that SP knew in advance that there were cameras.

As far as no one seeing the perp coming or going.... I don't believe that is true. Remember that MPD said in an early press conference that they saw an image of a vehicle at the edge of one frame of video but couldn't see it well enough to give a make and model. They were not referring to the Altima because there was obviously plenty of images of that vehicle. So I believe they were referring to a gun store camera angle that at least captured the headlights and perhaps more than that of the SP vehicle leaving the church parking lot.

This could not have been any earlier than around 4:30, which was 5 minutes before the first camper arrived. I think there is a very good possibility that either the first camper saw that vehicle leave, or some other passerby saw it either pulling out of the church or shortly after. I think MPD has information about a vehicle other than just the Altima.

As far as a random burglar - no, I don't believe it was a random burglar. I stated recently that it's possible this is someone with a security background who had something to gain by staging a break-in and making this church's members feel like they needed stronger security measures. And he knew that there was a good chance they would come to him and he would benefit.
 
Wouldn't Missy have had posters promoting her boot camp on the bulletin/events board in the church. Stating the days and times of classes. I think sp knew she was coming.

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Perhaps... but she regularly discussed locations and times of her classes on her FB page.
 
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