Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to marry in the spring #2

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Morag said:
Mr. Markle refused to allow H&M to come visit him. I think he was probably self conscious about his appearance and his lifestyle, perhaps his substance abuse, and he hoped to get himself squared away before he had to meet a Prince. But he couldn’t, and then he felt really unable to go and associate with the Royals. BTW, he wasn’t speaking to his other daughter, or his son, for years, nor his grandchildren. His other daughter’s children are estranged from her, and I believe Mr. M has no relationship with any of his six grandchildren.

So Meghan, who is worldly, successful, well -educated and popular, is not the problem in her family. Sad, but it happens.

He has been married three times, as has Samantha Markle, and his son has had several varieties of legal problems within the last year. Why would Meghan want to have anything to do with any of them?
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I‘ve wondered about Meghan’s years in Toronto on a successful TV show. Was there already an undercurrent of entitlement on the part of some family members? Were there requests for loans, with guilt trips attached? I guess we’ll never know, but nothing would surprise me since the whole bunch, except for Doria, seem so dysfunctional.
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
Thank you for your thoughtful post. As much as I enjoy checking this thread daily, I'm not comfortable reading posts that suggest that Meghan is a narcissist and that she has caused the rifts with her estranged family members. Their obnoxious behavior is cringeworthy, and Harry and Meghan are wise to turn a blind eye and deaf ear on the family spectacle.
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The entire Markle family is a hot mess, including Meghan. It is unfortunate that her sister wasn't a decent enough character to keep her mouth shut and carry on with her own life. Trash talking her sister like that is only making her look bad and her sister look better.

It's none of our business, but I do wonder what was happening in Doria's life while Meghan was living with her father. Why did she live with her father instead of her mother?

It's clear that Meghan and her father each have deep wounds. Meghan has managed to make something out of her life despite her troubled family dynamics. I'm not a fan of hers, but I will certainly give her credit for following her dreams and achieving them.

All this drama makes me wonder how Harry is coping personally. His mother, Princess Diana did the same thing as Markle; she sought revenge by going to the media and trash talking her in-laws and former husband. He already knows what it's like to have someone you love talk bad about another person that you love. Hopefully he is able to give advice and comfort to his wife based on his own healing experience.
 
From staged paparazzi shots of himself shopping for suits to actually designing suits of his own, Thomas Markle refuses to relinquish the spotlight.

Meghan Markle‘s estranged father will soon launch a menswear collection, according to a private tweet sent by his daughter (and Meghan’s half-sister) Samantha on Wednesday morning.

“So excited about my father’s new #clothing line for men!” Samantha wrote. “Will keep you posted!”

https://pagesix.com/2018/08/15/meghan-markles-father-now-launching-a-clothing-line/

If this is true we have entered the twilight zone. The last person I want to dress like is Thomas Markle.

I wish I could invent Markle Block like software that blocks advertising but only it blocks everything from Thomas and Samantha.
 
None of this should be in the news, whether it be true or not.
Mr Markle should have been a friendly father figure in the wedding pictures, and Samantha should have been there too, in her wheelchair.
No unfriendly words should have been uttered.

Somehow it did not happen that way, and the question is: Why? How come the palace did not identify the risks in an early stage and develop a strategy to get the family on board and on the team?

Mr Markle, 74 and in bad health, was not a commodity that could be flown in at the last moment, yet he was treated as such, and that plan failed spectacularly. One may disagree about the blame, but once the blame game starts, the damage has already been done.

The entire marriage smacks of a complete lack of preparation. You and I may dislike our parents or siblings and not invite them to our landmarks, but the RF cannot afford to do that. They have to show the fairy tale to the world, and parents, siblings are part of that. The parents of both Diana and Sarah had acrimonious divorces, yet they were there on the big day and played their part. We may never know whatever it took, but they were there together. Somehow it seems that Harry and Meghan were more interested in the choice of the cake.

Prince William took a decade or so to introduce his GF and her family to their new life. It earned her the nick name Waity Katie. The preparation paid off, for her family too. Her parents now move in royal circles with grace and ease (they did not start that way!), and play an important role in ther lives of their grandchildren that was unheard of in the generations before. If anyone modernized the monarchy, it's William.

All this available wisdom appears to have been cast aside in the case of Hurry Markle. IMHO it seems like someone wrote a script and now they are shocked to find out that people are not sticking to their prescribed roles, and someohow no one ever told them that life does not work this way.

Oh dear. What a mess.
 
Lilibet said:
Was there already an undercurrent of entitlement on the part of some family members? Were there requests for loans, with guilt trips attached?
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When my Mom died, my brother and I both inherited an equal amount of money. It wasn't enough to be set for life and not work, but it was enough to fund a retirement if one allowed it to grow until we were at retirement age. I haven't spent a cent of mine. My brother spent all his plus an extra $250,000 that my Dad gave him then when that was gone he stole from Dad while my Dad was in the hospital. My brother had stolen my Dad's debit card and ID and spent what was in his checking account at a casino. He had accessed his debit card 4 times the day we discovered it. From his hospital bed my Dad asked me to pay my brother's car insurance (on five cars!) since my brother stole his money and he didn't have enough at the moment. I said hell no. Believe it or not my brother is a great guy when he takes his meds. He's been two years without his meds and no one can afford to fund what he does when he's on a manic bender. My Dad has been tested competent (I checked with doctors, attorneys, elder abuse case workers, etc.) and the only one who can save him from my brother making him broke is himself. I can make myself AND him broke but I can't stop him from making himself broke. I choose not to make him AND myself broke, that helps no one. I will accept no guilt about that. The only people who dared to try to make me feel guilt about that are my Dad and my brother, that kind of thing will ruin a relationship for sure. Everyone else seems to get it, at least to my face. Now that I'm getting married it would be even more wrong to fund their self-destruction. After I refused to pay for half of a motel my brother wanted to buy, he told me my Mom would be turning in her grave over the way I'm treating him. Sound familiar? (In his head my brother is a real estate mogul - In reality the condo he bought at Lake of the Ozarks with Dad's money was condemned because he filled it with rotting garbage and he's living with my Dad again because the condo is not approved for occupancy). I don't know what is going on the Markle family firsthand but the patterns sure look familiar based on what is visible on the surface. I am grossed out by all the people who seem to want to blame the victim. Obviously you can see why I've been following the story somewhat because I know what it's like to deal with this. Again, I think a lot people out there treat their own families this way and want people to think it's ok, or they are the enabler (like my Dad) and have an investment in justifying their enabling because they want to keep doing it but don't want to alienate everyone in their life. Well sometimes you can't have it both ways. Yeah I'm very much on a soapbox here. It's because I think too many people condone abuse or don't recognize it. This is supposed to be a victim friendly site, so that's why I'm being so outspoken.

I got my Dad legal and mental help. I left him with the phone numbers of everyone I could think of to call for help (attorney, counselors, mental health hotline, police, head of nursing, head of rehab, elder abuse case worker, etc.) I left the list with him and brought him his laptop and whatever financial records I could get out of his house before my brother came after me. Dad was tested twice to make sure he's competent to make his own decisions. I brought him papers to fill out for a restraining order. Then I left him to handle it the way he chooses because my work is done. You don't know what has been done or not done in other families like this. My brother apparently goes around telling everybody how awful I am because I won't help. No one of significance to me believes that, they know what the situation is. There are people out there who have their reasons for siding with the abusers and I believe I have an educated guess about what those reasons are. The book "Why Does He Do That - Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" will explain if you want an expert opinion and not just from a layperson. I left that book with my Dad after I read it. I can give him the book, but I can't make him read it or understand it. If he decides to save himself, information that will help him is in there.
 
ZaZara said:
None of this should be in the news, whether it be true or not.
Mr Markle should have been a friendly father figure in the wedding pictures, and Samantha should have been there too, in her wheelchair.
No unfriendly words should have been uttered.

Somehow it did not happen that way, and the question is: Why? How come the palace did not identify the risks in an early stage and develop a strategy to get the family on board and on the team?

Mr Markle, 74 and in bad health, was not a commodity that could be flown in at the last moment, yet he was treated as such, and that plan failed spectacularly. One may disagree about the blame, but once the blame game starts, the damage has already been done.

The entire marriage smacks of a complete lack of preparation. You and I may dislike our parents or siblings and not invite them to our landmarks, but the RF cannot afford to do that. They have to show the fairy tale to the world, and parents, siblings are part of that. The parents of both Diana and Sarah had acrimonious divorces, yet they were there on the big day and played their part. We may never know whatever it took, but they were there together. Somehow it seems that Harry and Meghan were more interested in the choice of the cake.

Prince William took a decade or so to introduce his GF and her family to their new life. It earned her the nick name Waity Katie. The preparation paid off, for her family too. Her parents now move in royal circles with grace and ease (they did not start that way!), and play an important role in ther lives of their grandchildren that was unheard of in the generations before. If anyone modernized the monarchy, it's William.

All this available wisdom appears to have been cast aside in the case of Hurry Markle. IMHO it seems like someone wrote a script and now they are shocked to find out that people are not sticking to their prescribed roles, and someohow no one ever told them that life does not work this way.

Oh dear. What a mess.
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How do you know that the palace didn’t “identify the risks and develop a strategy to get the family on board and on the team”? Isn’t it possible that Tom and his kids arrogantly refused to cooperate with the help they were offered? Some people are not capable of rising to an occasion with socially acceptable behavior and without putting themselves front and center.

Samantha started criticizing Meghan long before the wedding. Tom Jr managed to get himself arrested shortly after the engagement. Both unwisely spoke to tabloids well before the wedding. I expect that lost them any chance of an invitation. But even after her Dad made a fool of himself with the fake photos, he was graciously and lovingly included in the wedding. And we have no idea about when he was scheduled to arrive in London.

Prince William was in his twenties, so of course he had a decade to ease the Middletons into their new life. Harry is in his thirties. He’s “Hurry” because he didn’t wait 10 years?! Really? Perhaps it was clear that her family would never be willing to blend in. The RF is under no obligation “to show the fairy tale to the world.” That boat sailed in the ‘90’s IMO. They are a real family with real people. I don’t understand why you are heaping blame on them for the actions of the Markles.

And I don’t get the sense that Harry and Meghan “are shocked about her family not sticking to their prescribed roles.” They haven’t said a word. The tabloids have put words in their mouths, but they are wisely ignoring the drama, except perhaps in private.

I cannot muster up any sympathy for this verbally abusive family.

JMO
 
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Betty P said:
Yeah, sorry, those are legit news sources. I know it's tough, but it's the reality of the situation.

We'll agree to disagree. I don't feel any need to defend either Ms. Markle or any of her family, or the royal family for that matter. They're more a carnival sideshow these days and it would be a waste of my time. I just found it a temporarily interesting study of narcissistic personality dysfunction.

To put a positive spin on it, it's a soap opera disguised as object lesson on how to avoid those destructive traits in others and in ourselves.
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Betty P, no those are not legitimate news sources or MSM. They are magazines that are sold for entertainment value, gossip and innuendo. Their sole purpose is to drag people into the celebrity 'stuff'. Fine if that's what you wish to do.

The one thing that is missing here, the Royal Family are NOT celebrities.

As for your comments about 'narcissistic personality
 
Sorry, having problems with WS today. to continue ^^^^^

As for your comments about 'narcissistic personality disfunction', I hope you have the qualifications to make such a judgement of people.

AFAIK, there have been zero reports of any such diagnosis in the Royal Family.

If you've seen them in MSM, please link them? Thanks.
 
Princess Eugenie's bridesmaids have been announced.

Princess Eugenie will have pop star’s daughter as her bridesmaid with Princess Charlotte

Princess Charlotte will be in the wedding. She's such a cutie. Love everything about this look, especially her grey tights and her cute pink polka dot backpack.

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JMO,

It's too late, they have sold lifetime rights. The father and the sister no longer have control or perhaps they do but it really doesn't matter they are bottom feeders. Or what many on the internet would just consider to be trolls. Just looking for attention.

[UPDATED] Meghan Markle's Sister Samatha Markle Said Thomas Markle Is Starting a Clothing Line

At first, Samantha didn't give any details on whether or not the line will have anything to do with Meghan, but she later revealed in another tweet that it was all a joke.

Samantha tweeted that she made the joke to prove a point and to continue cashing in on and attracting more of the publicity the family has received since Meghan started dating Prince Harry.
 

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Not sure if the Royal children wear Start Rite shoes or not but they are very similar and very popular.

Our daughters were in Start Rites until middle school, when they rebelled. lol

I have no stock, sadly, in Start Rite shoes. Great kiddies shoes though.
 
JDG said:
Not sure if the Royal children wear Start Rite shoes or not but they are very similar and very popular.

Our daughters were in Start Rites until middle school, when they rebelled. lol

I have no stock, sadly, in Start Rite shoes. Great kiddies shoes though.
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I wore brown and white Buster Brown saddle shoes 'til I was about 8. They were classic 50s and 60s shoes for kids.
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
And for some reason, the shoes that she here is wearing brings back memories of when I was a child! I don't know what it is, but that outfit in those shoes brings back memories from the 50s and 60s.

Adorable outfit!
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Me too! Instant flashback! I don’t remember if I ever had red Mary Janes, but I know I had black patent leather.

JDG said:
Not sure if the Royal children wear Start Rite shoes or not but they are very similar and very popular.

Our daughters were in Start Rites until middle school, when they rebelled. lol

I have no stock, sadly, in Start Rite shoes. Great kiddies shoes though.
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Do you mean Stride Rite? Or is it a different company in Canada. I grew up in Stride Rite shoes on the ‘50’s...both sensible oxfords and shiny Mary Janes like these...

Ava Mary Jane
 
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