Cottonstar
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Later, at the home of a
family friend....
Yes, this means at the Fernies later that evening.
When Patterson briefly interviewed Burke at 2:17pm, he did not
tell him JonBenet was dead.
Who do you think is guilty? I'm relatively new here and...
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Later, at the home of a
family friend....
Yes, this means at the Fernies later that evening.
When Patterson briefly interviewed Burke at 2:17pm, he did not
tell him JonBenet was dead.
Cottonstar
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“Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenét being gone. In another instance, he advised Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him that his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.” Kolar, FF
Yes, so this is the afternoon interview when Burke also told Patterson that she may be hiding somewhere etc...
Also, Patterson first arrived at the Ramsey house along with Det. Linda Arndt at 8:10am. Burke was out of the house and gone to the Whites at 7:00am, so there was no chance that the two talked to each other until 2:17pm.
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Cottonstar
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In the Dr. Phil interview, Burke explained that he was “trying to be positive” after detectives confirmed his sister’s disappearance.
“I told the guy(Fred Patterson?)I was like, ‘Uh, she’s probably hiding somewhere. Did you check the whole house? ... Maybe she’s outside,” he recounted. Later that day, John confirmed his daughter’s death to his son.
So to clear it up, BR stated she’s probably hiding somewhere during the interview with Patterson that took place at the Whites at 2:17pm. Patterson did not tell BR that JBR was dead, just that she was still missing.
Later, around 5-6pm is when Burke was retrieved from the Whites and joined John and Patsy at the Fernies where John purportedly told Burke that JBR was in heaven. I say that because they have told three different stories of who told BR that JBr was dead while at the Fernies.
In the Dr. Phil interview, Burke explained that he was “trying to be positive” after detectives confirmed his sister’s disappearance.
“I told the guy(Fred Patterson?)I was like, ‘Uh, she’s probably hiding somewhere. Did you check the whole house? ... Maybe she’s outside,” he recounted. Later that day, John confirmed his daughter’s death to his son.
So to clear it up, BR stated she’s probably hiding somewhere during the interview with Patterson that took place at the Whites at 2:17pm. Patterson did not tell BR that JBR was dead, just that she was still missing.
Later, around 5-6pm is when Burke was retrieved from the Whites and joined John and Patsy at the Fernies where John purportedly told Burke that JBR was in heaven. I say that because they have told three different stories of who told BR that JBr was dead while at the Fernies.
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I agree,though my alternate theory is that Patsy did it out of jealousy when John began abusing Jon Benet.
Sick household.
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Perhaps because John's sexual interest in his young daughter instead of his wife, sick with cancer, triggered in Patsy irrevocable rage.
Cottonstar,
Yes, looks like I just accepted his house at face value, so your version looks good.
This is the problem here, BR is not consistent with his timeline or what he said. So really what he says can be interpreted to fit whatever perspective.
According to Kolar Patterson drove to the White's home because he wondered if Burke had seen or heard anything that would help the investigation.
On Dr Phil Burke does not say where he said various things just this is what I said.
IMO Burke does not come over as being credible after being asked by Dr Phil numerous times, paraphrasing:
Burke has different explanations for not getting out of his bed, which given the circumstances appear fabricated to me?
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Dr Phil never refers to the above account.
Also on the same Dr Phil Show Burke relates how on Christmas morning he and JonBenet rise to go and look at their presents. Burke says he saw a bike and wrapped gifts, he tells Dr Phil he got a Nintendo, an electric train set and We both got bikes.
Seems like Burke is definitely saying he was given a bike for Christmas.
So when Burke snuck back downstairs Christmas night was it the electric train set he was referring to or the Lego Set in the wine-cellar, big difference?
The way Burke behaved Christmas morning, i.e. pretending to be asleep in bed, not getting up to see what was going on, etc can easily be explained as premeditated staging by his parents?
I'm 100% convinced Burke knows who killed JonBenet !
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feldspar,
PDI is plausible, e.g. Steve Thomas' Bed wetting theory, or jealousy for some reason?
Patsy is on record saying she and JonBenet were arguing Christmas Day over what JonBenet should wear to the White's e.g. matching outfits.
John relates on Dr Phil how JonBenet did not like one of her Christmas presents, a look a like doll, which she said looked like someone in a coffin?
Is this really true?
So seems like JonBenet and Patsy were at odds on Christmas Day, in JonBenet's last ever photograph Patsy does appear on edge, check how she seems to be gripping JonBenet?
For me PDI falls down when Patsy just goes about directly implicating herself in her daughters death, e.g. fibers in ligature, fibers on duct tape, hand-writing on ransom note, etc.
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There is no evidence whatsoever that Burke killed JBR. None.
Cottonstar
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Brothermoon, you must be talking about another case.
Pollice_Verso,
There is no evidence whatsoever that identifies anyone on planet earth that killed JBR.
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Cottonstar
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“We’re not speaking to you”
Pot, meet kettle. I'd say it's even more unrealistic to assume that --if BR himself committed the crime -- that the parents would all but throw him to the wolves (neighbors, police) to defend himself, as opposed to keeping him by their side and protecting him from any such questioning. Again, they didn't care about "looking guilty" -- this is beyond obvious in the sense that they themselves refused to be questioned for months to a year after the crime occurred! They easily would have risked "looking guilty" in order to protect their murdering nine-year-old son from spilling the beans -- this is common sense 101.
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Looks like we're playing the "I didn't say that" game. Here is what you wrote, exactly:
"I have seen BR in his interviews, and I saw a sneaky, secretive and deceptive person."
You determined all of this, from watching a TV interview. Again, you have no education in behavioral analysis to make such claims. I assume you didn't have expertise in the subject, which is a fair assumption because you would have said you did. Even though Dr. Phil isn't the most qualified, he would have more knowledge on the subject and his explanation that it was simply nervous laughter/smiling from a generally shy individual hold way more water than your opinion of an amateur armchair psychologist who casually throws around labels like "sneaky, secretive, and deceptive."
Let's just be completely real here: he didn't react the way you personally believe a "normal" person would react in the interview, therefore you think he's guilty. That's really what it boils down to, which isn't much.
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So there was no police incompetence displayed in this case? You're saying that police incompetence didn't play a role at all? The fact of the matter is, it was both: police incompetence and a crooked DA (assuming your theory about the DA is accurate).
Exactly.
The only thing I know for sure is that the person(s) responsible:
Wrote the note
Hit her on the head
Strangled her
Redressed her
Got her out of her bedroom
Got her down to the basement
Had at least some knowledge of the house layout
Cared for her somewhat (blanket)
Was in the house between the time they got home and the next morning
Seemed to be improvising (paintbrush, notepad, etc.)
Left no fingerprints
Chose to be in the house on Christmas day
Knew about JR's bonus
Was a movie buff
Anything else...?
Wrote the note
Hit her on the head
Strangled her
Redressed her
Got her out of her bedroom
Got her down to the basement
Had at least some knowledge of the house layout
Cared for her somewhat (blanket)
Was in the house between the time they got home and the next morning
Seemed to be improvising (paintbrush, notepad, etc.)
Left no fingerprints
Chose to be in the house on Christmas day
Knew about JR's bonus
Was a movie buff
Anything else...?