CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #2

[Mica]

Did anyone catch Maline questioning (or trying to) Dugal about John Pugsley?

No I didn’t but Pugsley was a yachtsman. Dan also owned a boat.

 

[Mica]

Just Reading old articles and is this true does anybody know?



I don’t remember reading that before on here. I am just wondering where Patrick got that information from?!

IIRC, Chase’s lie detector test was inconclusive. Maybe inconclusive means passed to Patrick.

 

[missy1974]

This is a key piece of Dugal testimony because he said it did not belong to the any of the detectives or specialists

Someone was using it to illuminate surfaces

The implication will be that someone cleaning up a crime scene used it to look for blood, then forgot it.

IMO it is a huge red flag that light.

I wonder if it was taken and kept as evidence? I wonder if it was tested later, after the bodies were found?
I wonder why they didn't ask McGyver if it was something he saw when he was there that week. He spent quite a bit of time there that week, there are a few questions I wish they would have asked... about the light... about the bleach (?) spot by the door. Which actually reminds me... didn't they have pizza one night when he was there? those spots on the table... could they be pizza sauce? kids are messy.. I would say JMO but I have kids... I know they are lol

 

[missy1974]

IIRC, Chase’s lie detector test was inconclusive. Maybe inconclusive means passed to Patrick.

How do you know that? is it in the documents somewhere? Passing or inconclusive or even failing... do we have that from LE? I know that CM said he thinks he passed in a video somewhere, but I don't think he even "knew", just assumed because he said he never heard from them after that.

 

[mrjitty]

I wonder if it was taken and kept as evidence? I wonder if it was tested later, after the bodies were found?
I wonder why they didn't ask McGyver if it was something he saw when he was there that week. He spent quite a bit of time there that week, there are a few questions I wish they would have asked... about the light... about the bleach (?) spot by the door. Which actually reminds me... didn't they have pizza one night when he was there? those spots on the table... could they be pizza sauce? kids are messy.. I would say JMO but I have kids... I know they are lol

The light was not kept.

But as DuGal himself said, the photo is evidence enough of its existence. Most items from crime scenes are not retained.

It seems highly unlikely to me that McGyver would be using a blacklight for DIY

Its the kind of thing you use as alternative illumination to find blood or other body fluids.

 

[ehenson88]

I always felt that Joey's phone tracked back to Fallbrook the day of the lunch, because it was in chases truck heading back to Fallbrook.

I'm still refreshing myself on the details so I apologize if I have anything wrong

I completely agree, and the reason why... From reviewing his call logs he was constantly calling vendors, family, etc. This activity stops completely around 1, and summer is texting and calling him around around 4/5 and he's still not home yet...he ignores the calls but then checks the voicemail which makes no sense

 

[asyousay]

I completely agree, and the reason why... From reviewing his call logs he was constantly calling vendors, family, etc. This activity stops completely around 1, and summer is texting and calling him around around 4/5 and he's still not home yet...he ignores the calls but then checks the voicemail which makes no sense

Yes I said this yesterday.

Maybe I am alone in this but if my parents call me or boyfriend and they leave a voice mail I just call them back automatically because once I listen to the voice mail I’m gonna have to call them regardless.

 

[Mony Mony]

Re the black light.....we had two when we lived in Phoenix. We used them to find scorpions. It is not out of the realm of possibility that there are scorpions in Fallbrook. They are in San Diego county.

 

[Mica]

How do you know that? is it in the documents somewhere? Passing or inconclusive or even failing... do we have that from LE? I know that CM said he thinks he passed in a video somewhere, but I don't think he even "knew", just assumed because he said he never heard from them after that.

CM said it himself in a news article and it might have been mentioned at the prelim. Not positive on that though.

 

[Tortoise]

I completely agree, and the reason why... From reviewing his call logs he was constantly calling vendors, family, etc. This activity stops completely around 1, and summer is texting and calling him around around 4/5 and he's still not home yet...he ignores the calls but then checks the voicemail which makes no sense

Hopefully we will find out because Joey's cell phone called Chase's cell phone at 5.48 pm for over 2 minutes. That means they should have a location for Chase's phone before it went off the grid.

I hope they will also be able to tell whether Joey's and Summer's cell phones were pinging off the same tower. Would there be more than one tower in Fallbrook?

 

[asyousay]

Hopefully we will find out because Joey's cell phone called Chase's cell phone at 5.48 pm for over 2 minutes. That means they should have a location for Chase's phone before it went off the grid.

I hope they will also be able to tell whether Joey's and Summer's cell phones were pinging off the same tower. Would there be more than one tower in Fallbrook?

As I think this was planned who is to say Chase didn’t leave his phone behind with somebody like his girlfriend and that was call was to say switch off the phone?

It’s highly suspicious that summer called him twice and he didn’t ring her back. Joey also re listened to a voice mail that he had already listened to earlier in the day if I am remembering correctly. Something doesn’t add up IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Just pointing out the coincidence (!) here - (probably everyone else already knows it and I just cottoned on )

- Call from Joey's phone to Chase' phone at 8.28 pm (unanswered).
- It takes just over 1 hour to get from Fallbrook to Mira Loma
- Chase' phone pinged in Mira Loma at 9.32 pm.

So the call at 8.28 pm could coincide with Chase leaving Fallbrook area with Joey's phone and unintentionally hitting last number redial after the 5.48 call from Joey to Chase.

 

[Tortoise]

As I think this was planned who is to say Chase didn’t leave his phone behind with somebody like his girlfriend and that was call was to say switch off the phone?

It’s highly suspicious that summer called him twice and he didn’t ring her back. Joey also re listened to a voice mail that he had already listened to earlier in the day if I am remembering correctly. Something doesn’t add up IMO

Chase called his girlfriend at 9.32 pm from Mira Loma. Strange that because I'm sure he said they were home watching a film together.

 

[Emi]

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[oceanblueeyes]

Chase called his girlfriend at 9.32 pm from Mira Loma. Strange that because I'm sure he said they were home watching a film together.

Good morning Tortoise and everyone!

Wow! I never knew that Tortoise.

That sure seems to destroy his alibi that he was home with her watching a movie. He made a point he was so engrossed in the movie he didnt answer the phone when Joey was supposedly the one who had called him...right?
It sure seems to destroy his alibi about what he was doing.

As more information becomes known the less I worry about this very guilty man (imo) being convicted for his horrific crimes.

Btw I want you to thank you for all of your hardwork in providing us with the state's OS.

Imo their OS really was quite good and by reading it line by line I got a much clearer view of everything they said. When watching it I realized I had missed pertinent parts when I first watch it.

Again thank you so much for doing this for all of us. I know everyone appreciates it as much as I do.

Imo

 

[SuziQ]

This is a key piece of Dugal testimony because he said it did not belong to the any of the detectives or specialists

Someone was using it to illuminate surfaces

The implication will be that someone cleaning up a crime scene used it to look for blood, then forgot it.

IMO it is a huge red flag that light.

Huge red flag!

 

[Force Ten]

As I think this was planned who is to say Chase didn’t leave his phone behind with somebody like his girlfriend and that was call was to say switch off the phone?

It’s highly suspicious that summer called him twice and he didn’t ring her back. Joey also re listened to a voice mail that he had already listened to earlier in the day if I am remembering correctly. Something doesn’t add up IMO

Unlikely the GF imo. She tried to call him 5 times that night.

 

[SuziQ]

Just Reading old articles and is this true does anybody know?



I don’t remember reading that before on here. I am just wondering where Patrick got that information from?!

IIRC the info came from Chase himself.

 

[Tortoise]

Good morning Tortoise and everyone!

Wow! I never knew that Tortoise.

That sure seems to destroy his alibi that he was home with her watching a movie. He made a point he was so engrossed in the movie he didnt answer the phone when Joey was supposedly the one who had called him...right?
It sure seems to destroy his alibi about what he was doing.

As more information becomes known the less I worry about this very guilty man (imo) being convicted for his horrific crimes.

Btw I want you to thank you for all of your hardwork in providing us with the state's OS.

Imo their OS really was quite good and by reading it line by line I got a much clearer view of everything they said. When watching it I realized I had missed pertinent parts when I first watch it.

Again thank you so much for doing this for all of us. I know everyone appreciates it as much as I do.

Imo

Thank you oceanblueeyes.

Yes it destroys his old alibi. As well as him calling her from Mira Loma at 9.32 pm - get this - she called his phone 5 times (leaving Voicemails - his phone was not connected) between 6.09 pm and 9.04 pm!

 

[Bernina]

I've entertained this. There is a problem with that, Merritt's phone was pinging Rancho Cucamonga while Joseph's was pinging in Temecula or near Fallbrook. Merritt had to been there to answer his phone unless someone else was answering. It's possible but not plausible imo.

CM's GF, but I don't think they were all answered?