TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #2

[Backstroke10]

And what are the attorney going to do about social media comments? You really think that's why they were drafted in? IMO the real reason they were hired was from a defence stance. Dealing with LE, FBI and the media. And we can see them doing this now - i'e challenging the release of records etc They knew this was coming and that's why they were drafted in. This is what you do when you have something to shield.

Also, I will be keen to know more about the legal firm and see if they are criminal or commercial specialists.

BBM - Of course he hired attorneys to deal with LE, FBI and the media; for the most part, the court of public opinion has already found him guilty and won't believe any other outcome.
What records are his attorneys challenging the release of? He allowed LE to do the gun residue test and allowed them to tow/examine his truck. If the test was positive and/or they found blood evidence in his truck, I'm sure he would have been arrested already. IMO

I believe that CW's accounts of him just leaving the house after an argument will be proven to be a lie. And each passing day strengthens my conviction.

No way am I believing this version of events. Seen it all - X has an argument with Y and says they left Y only to come back home to find them dead or missing.

Musings alert! - Aint it strange that CW has the same initials as Chris Watts and a mother and 2 daughters were killed at night. Oh and both CW are in the petroleum industry and it was a Nicole who spoilt Chris Watts plans. Maybe something in this Nichol will tip the balance? Of course this has just pointless rambling but that's my specialty

BBM - I like your "Musings alert" and although the similarities are quite interesting, there are some critical differences. CW and NO were not married, the girls were not his, and CW was not financially strapped, in fact, quite the opposite. IMO CW had absolutely no reason to kill NO two daughters. IMO

 

[iamnotagolem]

So if Nichol tests positive for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself. If Nichol tests negative for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself.

If CW tests positive for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls. If CW tests negative for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls.

Good to know.

A "Hands On" Approach to Understanding Gunshot Residue

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

While I believe it’s quite possible that Nichol murdered her kids and then committed suicide, this case differs from so many others because of the situation, argument with boyfriend who leaves then returns and reports them dead. It is also a statistical anomaly, which doesn’t rule out m/s but due diligence is imperative to verify that is actually what happened.

I was watching a true crime show (maybe forensic files) a while back and it was an assumed suicide by gun by a young black woman. The detective investigating said the entire reason he looked further into it was because it was so statistically unlikely for a woman to commit suicide by gun as well as being even further statiscally unlikely that a black female would commit suicide. Once he investigated he found evidence that ruled out suicide, it was ruled a homicide and her boyfriend was arrested. And there was something about pizza sauce.

But this case involves a murder-suicide.

Women use self-poisoning for suicidal acts above more violent methods to kill themselves.
Suicide in women

Because it's very unlikely Nichol possessed the knowledge or an amount of lethal chemical to kill herself and her two daughters quickly at the same time, she chose a gun.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

So if Nichol tests positive for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself. If Nichol tests negative for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself.

If CW tests positive for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls. If CW tests negative for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls.

Good to know.

A "Hands On" Approach to Understanding Gunshot Residue

Not exactly. LE uses tests to determine quantity of GSR. They will also test their clothing and hair for quantity.

 

[Scooby445]

Now that the FBI is involved in the investigation, we MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.
Sheriff Salazar has simply stated the FBI is here to ASSIST in the investigation, yet has not made it clear to what extent they will be involved.
We will consult with the FBI about their level of involvement and will seek their recommendation as to our next steps.
IF the FBI’s role turns out to be minimal, we will proceed using these funds as originally planned to ensure we are doing our best to uncover the truth.
HOWEVER, if the FBI FULLY TAKES OVER the investigation, and we feel confident in their role, we will give the donors the option of (a) a refund or (b) forwarding their donation on to a non-profit, to be determined at a later date.
We can assure you, we will make the best possible use of your donations, for and ONLY FOR, the purpose in which your donation was intended.

Posted by a friend of NO
BBM
So are they not confident for the FBI to assist?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Not exactly. LE uses tests to determine quantity of GSR. They will also test their clothing and hair for quantity.

I understand all of that, but for simplicity sake the GSR test is just a tool and not going to make 100% of the determination.

 

[nightowl1975]

But this case involves a murder-suicide.

Women use self-poisoning for suicidal acts above more violent methods to kill themselves.
Suicide in women

Because it's very unlikely Nichol possessed the knowledge or an amount of lethal chemical to kill herself and her two daughters quickly at the same time, she chose a gun.

With all due respect, you don’t know this to be true. You may think it’s true, and it may well turn out to be true, but nothing whatsoever has been released in MSM stating that police and/or the FBI have concluded that NO murdered her daughters.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Now that the FBI is involved in the investigation, we MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.

Shortened by me
That's illegal. People are prosecuted for not using fundraising money as specified.
https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...for-mom-2-girls-killed-in-Boerne-13558504.php

 

[Canaille]

So, I'm guessing the times of death have not been released yet? That alone would determine if Nichol killed her children.

 

[NervousNellie]

Shortened by me
That's illegal. People are prosecuted for not using fundraising money as specified.

Well, you "shortened" the post you quoted, and conveniently removed the part that said if they do not need to use the funds as originally described, they will offer a refund. (underlining added by me)

IF the FBI’s role turns out to be minimal, we will proceed using these funds as originally planned to ensure we are doing our best to uncover the truth.
HOWEVER, if the FBI FULLY TAKES OVER the investigation, and we feel confident in their role, we will give the donors the option of (a) a refund or (b) forwarding their donation on to a non-profit, to be determined at a later date.

 

[MyBelle]

“Time lapse between the shooting of a weapon and the collection of the kit may also lead to negative GSR results. As time passes after discharge, GSR particles can be removed from the hands by contact with other objects or by hand washing. After 6-8 hours, analysts would not expect to detect GSR on an active person.”

From here:

A "Hands On" Approach to Understanding Gunshot Residue

GSR can also be on clothing and it doesn't just disappear on its own.

JMO

 

[Curiousobserver]

GSR can also be on clothing and it doesn't just disappear on its own.

JMO

The chemical test is quite insensitive. The SED-Microscopy, ICP-MS or laser tests have sensitivities down in the low parts per trillion. He may have transferred residue to his steering wheel and seats or to the doorknobs inside the house for example. Residue on a door knob far away from the bodies would indicate a second person.

 

[Jay Deuce]

So if Nichol tests positive for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself. If Nichol tests negative for GSR, this means she may or may not have killed the girls and herself.

If CW tests positive for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls. If CW tests negative for GSR, this means he may or may not have killed Nichol and the girls.

Good to know.

A "Hands On" Approach to Understanding Gunshot Residue

HAHA! Well said. GSR tests are SUPER unreliable IMO. It can be wiped/washed off, transferred (from person to person, clothes to person, etc.), and it also travels in the air after a weapon is fired, so just being in the proximity of a gunshot could lead to a positive GSR test result. Nichol (and both the girls) will almost certainly have GSR on their bodies bc, obviously, they were in very close proximity of the shots. GSR specifically on NO’s hand will be more compelling evidence (IMO), but hypothetically it could be there without her firing the weapon (though I believe she did). And hopefully CW hadn’t been hunting or even transported a gun recently bc that could lead to a positive GSR test on him. And God knows if THAT happens, he will never truly be cleared in the minds of a lot of the ppl that are convinced he’s guilty. And if it’s a negative test result, ppl will say he showered/washed it off. I hope that whatever digital data the are able to retrieve makes it very clear what happened that night or at least makes it 100% clear that CW was or wasn’t there—that is the evidence that will save or sink him, IMO.

 

[Starkville]

Shortened by me
That's illegal. People are prosecuted for not using fundraising money as specified.
https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...for-mom-2-girls-killed-in-Boerne-13558504.php

Ah, but I can’t find anywhere that they’ve stated the purpose of the funds. Just the title of the page that says “search for truth”. MOO but paying for an independent autopsy would be a good start if they do not trust the ME’s findings.

Perhaps they intended to hire a private investigator?

They don’t specify.

 

[Backstroke10]

Now that the FBI is involved in the investigation, we MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.
Sheriff Salazar has simply stated the FBI is here to ASSIST in the investigation, yet has not made it clear to what extent they will be involved.
We will consult with the FBI about their level of involvement and will seek their recommendation as to our next steps.
IF the FBI’s role turns out to be minimal, we will proceed using these funds as originally planned to ensure we are doing our best to uncover the truth.
HOWEVER, if the FBI FULLY TAKES OVER the investigation, and we feel confident in their role, we will give the donors the option of (a) a refund or (b) forwarding their donation on to a non-profit, to be determined at a later date.
We can assure you, we will make the best possible use of your donations, for and ONLY FOR, the purpose in which your donation was intended.

Posted by a friend of NO
BBM
So are they not confident for the FBI to assist?

Not unless the FBI comes to the conclusion that they want. IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Now that the FBI is involved in the investigation, we MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.
Sheriff Salazar has simply stated the FBI is here to ASSIST in the investigation, yet has not made it clear to what extent they will be involved.
We will consult with the FBI about their level of involvement and will seek their recommendation as to our next steps.
IF the FBI’s role turns out to be minimal, we will proceed using these funds as originally planned to ensure we are doing our best to uncover the truth.
HOWEVER, if the FBI FULLY TAKES OVER the investigation, and we feel confident in their role, we will give the donors the option of (a) a refund or (b) forwarding their donation on to a non-profit, to be determined at a later date.
We can assure you, we will make the best possible use of your donations, for and ONLY FOR, the purpose in which your donation was intended.

Posted by a friend of NO
BBM
So are they not confident for the FBI to assist?

That sounds like they are concerned they might be investigated for setting up that campaign and being intentionally vague as to where the money is going.

JMO

 

[Starkville]

HAHA! Well said. GSR tests are SUPER unreliable IMO. It can be wiped/washed off, transferred (from person to person, clothes to person, etc.), and it also travels in the air after a weapon is fired, so just being in the proximity of a gunshot could lead to a positive GSR test result. Nichol (and both the girls) will almost certainly have GSR on their bodies bc, obviously, they were in very close proximity of the shots. GSR specifically on NO’s hand will be more compelling evidence (IMO), but hypothetically it could be there without her firing the weapon (though I believe she did). And hopefully CW hadn’t been hunting or even transported a gun recently bc that could lead to a positive GSR test on him. And God knows if THAT happens, he will never truly be cleared in the minds of a lot of the ppl that are convinced he’s guilty. And if it’s a negative test result, ppl will say he showered/washed it off. I hope that whatever digital data the are able to retrieve makes it very clear what happened that night or at least makes it 100% clear that CW was or wasn’t there—that is the evidence that will save or sink him, IMO.

And there are other factors and evidence from the crime scene that would indicate what happened. Location of entry/exit wounds, the location and position of the bodies, drag marks to indicate if anyone had been moved, etc. And autopsy/toxicology results. We just don’t know.

Which is why I’m 50/50 in my opinion. A case can be made for any theory at this point. IMO.

Edited to add that Websleuths is really at its best when we have something concrete to chew on and analyze. We’ll have more productive discussions when we have more facts. IMO

 

[LietKynes]

Marking my spot.
It's good that a thorough investigation is being conducted.
The murder of two minors (possibly at the hands of their mother) cries out for justice.
Not sure why part of me wants for some "random perp" to have committed this act ; maybe b/c the thought of a parent murdering their own babies is so horrifying.

 

[CocoChanel]

#Scooby445
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We are not permitted to copy and paste an entire article as it violates copyright laws. While the article you posted is a legit and helpful article, you posted more than 10% of that article which infringe’s on the reporter’s rights as an author. I know you did that unintentionally, so thought I would just point you to the link that outlines what is permitted here so that you might be able to edit your post.

Thanks for being here and sharing info!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For me, NO not having any pics with her daughters is significant. There have been lots of friends tagging pics of her on if and even the friends don’t have pics of the 3 of them.

Also, her pin to her daily routine board about mental health means mental health was at least on her mind. It is about children but still she was aware of some unhealthy mental state within her or her children.

https://pin.it/6wfthpl57a3fmp

So she never put up photos of them all together with her?

Did she have loads of photos of them even if she wasn't in the photos?

Tia