The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

[Angela_Beckett]

The only detail that ruins your theory for me is how come such experienced criminal enterprise disposed of the bodies practically in the backyard of one of their own. Especially Shannan, given the fact she just called 911, so LE and other people knew she was there that night.
i know this detail hasn’t been relevant so far, yet it doesn’t fit, IMO
Other than that, omg

 

[MarkTwang]

The only detail that ruins your theory for me is how come such experienced criminal enterprise disposed of the bodies practically in the backyard of one of their own. Especially Shannan, given the fact she just called 911, so LE and other people knew she was there that night.
i know this detail hasn’t been relevant so far, yet it doesn’t fit, IMO
Other than that, omg

I think Shannan doing what she did basically exposed the whole thing. I can put most of these girls in Manhattan at some point. I need to know who else was in Brewers house that night. Part of me hopes that these girls went into witness protection and the neighbors genuinely did help Shannan but with Pak and his crews arrest it doesn't seem like it.

Brewer saying, "I tried to hold her" to Pak means he was trying to keep her there.

What if they were not free to come and go as they pleased?

Pimps do a lot of minimizing about what the girls are allowed to do and their behavior towards them. LE should be skeptical every time they hear about a girl working in the illegal sex trade (with a pimp) "on their own free will".

They try to pretend they are good to them and that they don't force them, they even often try to speak for them (or coach them as what they need to say to LE if they are busted)...but we know that what pimps say of their behavior towards the girls is not true.

It's either blatantly vile or down right delusional. They genuinely don't believe what they are doing is
"force, fraud or coercion".

Here are a few examples of what pimps are really like and their attempts to minimize the abuse:

PLAYGROUND Extras: An Interview with a Pimp -- The only pimp who is honest about trapping them in debt.

 

[MarkTwang]

Megan Waterman -- "Akeem Mahlik Cruz" and "Vibe" are the same person. He rolls in a crew who trafficked drugs up to Maine and that's where "Banks" (who is described as a "Romeo Pimp" who physically abused Megan) spotted Megan and handed her over to Akeem "Vibe". Vibe is also a pimp. Tons of priors. He rolled in a crew that is out of Brooklyn.

That night he was out drinking with his friends, I believe he picked Megan up from that convenience store in Hauppauge, NY near the Holiday Inn Express. He went to prison for taking her from Maine to Long Island.

She'd been getting calls and texts from blocked numbers, she specifically listed on her ad for people not to text or call from blocked numbers.

In fact, I can put several people I know out of Brooklyn in the music industry and these people taking vacay in Maine.

I wonder if they roll in the same crew. I suspected these people were spotters and involved in that life.

One girl was warned about a Jon (Boots) who invited her up to Maine that he puts girls on *advertiser censored* hub or some sex site or something? Also, a pretty tech savvy crew. Recording studios are huge for money laundering, by the way. The music industry connection makes sense.

I was editing a book for someone and he lived in Brooklyn and this was an excerpt and a screenshot included in the book around 2015/2016. Could be a fabrication, but I don't think so.

Melissa Berthelemy -- I know Jon/John/Johnny Terry "Blaze" was a musician, producer (and dealer and a pimp) who ran girls outside of Lace on 7th. That was Melissa's pimp. Does anyone know these pimps real names or if they have priors? "Blaze" seemed like a spotter for "Mel" they were friends and associates. They worked the streets.

I bet they got word she was escorting on backstage or CL and she got intercepted by one of these two mad about taking their cut.

Akeem Malik Cruz, aka: "Vibe"
Arrest of convicted pimp renews attention to unsolved murder of Scarborough woman

 

[MarkTwang]

So how about Joseph Brewer goes on a Real Estate spending spree 29 days after Shannan disappeared from his house May 1, 2010, saying that "they" were trying to kill her....

So from May 29, 2010--May 2013 he spent roughly $2,000,000 (honestly even more than that) on real estate and opening his own liquor store business.

In 2015, he was charged with criminal menacing in the 2nd degree and arrested in Brooklyn, NY. Basically this is threatening someone with a deadly weapon and making someone feel like they were going to die.

Registered at his official address 4404 Oak Beach Association Oak Beach, NY (8 The Fairway Oak Beach, NY) this business was just registered with the Department of State Gen First Lab Solutions, or Gen H Lab Solutions.

I think I found the actual house for wayward girls. It was not Peter Hackett's.

Have you ever heard of these places? Rehab/Sex Trafficking Insurance fraud scams?

 

[MarkTwang]

The only detail that ruins your theory for me is how come such experienced criminal enterprise disposed of the bodies practically in the backyard of one of their own. Especially Shannan, given the fact she just called 911, so LE and other people knew she was there that night.
i know this detail hasn’t been relevant so far, yet it doesn’t fit, IMO
Other than that, omg

@hawkshaw said James Burke got picked up in Brooklyn, NY for attempted solicitation. They called SCPD to come get him. James Burke probably knew as soon as Pak told him about the deck of playing cards it was Paz's OP. If that is the case: Paz could instruct to send the girls to his jurisdiction, dump the bodies in his jurisdiction because he had Burke's job in a corner and a police chief under his thumb. All they would need to mention if the *advertiser censored* hits the fan is a playing card.

Cop on cop extortion is a little bit of a different ball game than if it is criminal extortion, the kind of debt that flipped Paz.

Somebody needs to get Burke's statement on this. Show him that info, see if he acknowledges it and has additional info. relevant to the investigation?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

They lasted one month, not 8.

I have no idea why you are replying to a quote of mine that is no doubt several years old, or even what my full statement was, since you snipped my post (without notation, I might add). But...okay.

 

[SageRhiannon]

So how about Joseph Brewer goes on a Real Estate spending spree 29 days after Shannan disappeared from his house May 1, 2010, saying that "they" were trying to kill her....

So from May 29, 2010--May 2013 he spent roughly $2,000,000 (honestly even more than that) on real estate and opening his own liquor store business.

In 2015, he was charged with criminal menacing in the 2nd degree and arrested in Brooklyn, NY. Basically this is threatening someone with a deadly weapon and making someone feel like they were going to die.

Registered at his official address 4404 Oak Beach Association Oak Beach, NY (8 The Fairway Oak Beach, NY) this business was just registered with the Department of State Gen First Lab Solutions, or Gen H Lab Solutions.

I think I found the actual house for wayward girls. It was not Peter Hackett's.

Have you ever heard of these places? Rehab/Sex Trafficking Insurance fraud scams?

Do you have a link to his arrest?

 

[MarkTwang]

Do you have a link to his arrest?

No, but I have the case number. Does this help?

Correction: It was not Brooklyn, It was Queens.

Apr. 30, 2015
Charges Filed - 120.14 MA (Menacing - 2nd a Misdemeanor)

Case Number: 4411503532
Queens Criminal Ct. Court

New York Penal Code 120.14:

Menacing in the second degree.
3. The offender intentionally placed someone in a reasonable fear of death or injury by displaying a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon. -- May 2, 2017

 

[MarkTwang]

Apr. 30, 2015
Charges Filed - 120.14 MA (Menacing - 2nd a Misdemeanor)

Case Number: 4411503532
Queens Criminal Ct. Court

I have no idea why you are replying to a quote of mine that is no doubt several years old, or even what my full statement was, since you snipped my post (without notation, I might add). But...okay.

I was trying to get you to join the conversation.

 

[ProfilerQuantico#1]

I am in agreement with you Windsor.

I ask myself is there a group of men who come together to engage nefarious activities?

https://www.longislandpress.com/201...hief-burke-hired-her-at-oak-beach-drug-party/

Do they fall to the level of some type of satanic, ritualistic murder group? It’s possible yes, but is it likely, especially in the specific case of the LISK?

The case of Shannan Gilbert, which I believe to be separate from the rest of the victims, has the highest probability of a group like that coming together to coverup her death, in an effort to prevent their relationships and their activities from being exposed.

The pattern and the victimology of the Gilgo Beach 4 points toward a single killer with a specific psychological profile, not a group.

The calls to Amanda Barthelemy also point toward a specific psychological profile, and not that of a group of rich, mature, professional men.

It’s a serial killer that committed these murders, not a mafia.

A group of killers? Not likely. That would heighten the chance of getting caught.

 

[Rmd81]

It is kind of hard to explain because the information comes from years of being on the planet. When my former son in law was arrested I leaned very heavily that he was probably guilty - at least for something.......anything that even looked like burglary. Little doubts became almost instantly when I read Spota's press release regarding the arrest. Spota made some stupid remarks that made no sense to me. It gets hard to explain.

Keep in mind that Burke and Spota put the son in law in jail and I KNOW they both lied their asses off. Burke is in jail for essentially lying and to get many others to lie and SPOTA was right there with him . So when Spota jumps into LISK when he should have kept silent and goes to exonerate Brewer and Bissett.

The answer to your question WR is in the question when you asked me who did it: How could he possibly know that at that point in time..........unless he knew something.

Hawkshaw after all this time, How does this come to light and ever lead to indictments? I've had the same conclusion for a good 7yrs. All roads lead back to Burke-Bisset-Brewer- me personally being from Suffolk county, I am fully aware of the Power,Money, drug connections, and uncontrolled obsession with sex workers these 3 guys shared together. I thought with Burke being convicted and in jail, the case would open up finally. But I was disappointed in nothing coming to light. Can you see anything coming from Spota's conviction, whether people will come forward with new info regarding Burke, Or any of his cronies -Brewer,Bisset,Hackett, wolf?

 

[Rmd81]

Hawkshaw after all this time, How does this come to light and ever lead to indictments? I've had the same conclusion for a good 7yrs. All roads lead back to Burke-Bisset-Brewer- me personally being from Suffolk county, I am fully aware of the Power,Money, drug connections, and uncontrolled obsession with sex workers these 3 guys shared together. I thought with Burke being convicted and in jail, the case would open up finally. But I was disappointed in nothing coming to light. Can you see anything coming from Spota's conviction, whether people will come forward with new info regarding Burke, Or any of his cronies -Brewer,Bisset,Hackett, wolf?

Is the good ole boys time finished for good and how far up past Burke did this go?

 

[Rmd81]

A group of killers? Not likely. That would heighten the chance of getting caught.

I think it depends on what is classified as a group because I think they're are def 3 that were involved in the GB4. One of the 3 is dead in my opinion

 

[Rmd81]

Better than this, the property is listed up for sale online that gives you a multitude of interior and exterior photographs and all the house specs. Check that out?

I understand that only 3 people know what happened that evening. Brewer, Pak and Hackett.

I know how these drug and sex trafficking operations work (and how people in them work) and I can weed out the ******** and make a great deal of sense out of the case, quite quickly.

What I want to know is: what was Brewer using this residence for?

A stash house?
Party house?
A lookout point?
A cooking house?

Was he the distributor, the manufacturer, middle man, dealer?

What was his job in the underground and what was he using the property for...and who else involved in the Racket did he work for (besides Ruis).

Pak probably booked it out of there because he had to transport the drugs he picked up at Brewers back to NY or NJ and had to leave before the police arrived.

Personally, I think they're trying to frame Hackett because he knows too much and wants the girls to get straightened out. I don't think Hackett did this. I don't believe Hackett caused her death. I believe Pak and Brewer tried to set him up.

I also think they tried to set up Hackett just like they tried to set up James Burke.

There has to be somebody with that insider information I need on here.

Burke isn't a fall guy, he is the guy. The leader of the pack. Brewers house was a party house. All roads lead to Burke-,Bisset-Brewer- As major players in this group. The question is who else knew out of Burke's crew, the extent of what actually went on at times. They're are many people out there that have partied with those guys but how many were still around when things got ugly and sinister..

 

[Rmd81]

Do you have a link to his arrest?

What does going on a spending spree have to do with anything? Curious! Although Brewer was said to be a Financial advisor, it is has also been said he had nothing personally in his name. Everything was either in his parents name or wife at the time. Even though I think Brewer was def a player in this group, they're are more people also involved with much more power and money. Burke-Bisset

 

[Rmd81]

What happened to your story of Ruis killing Shannan.
Look there is only one person held accountable for Shannan's death and
It is the doc.
So until you have umimpeachable evidence against anyone else,
you're outta gas.
TTYL
You got nuttin'

Actually no one is being held accountable Criminally, maybe civil they're. Dr. Hackett is a mere Patsy or just a self-implicating fool- seeking a sick kind of revelance! It's hard to see a conclusion that involves any indictments coming. They're are just to many variables and factors needed to come to fruition. Power, money, prestige, and corruption are the roadblocks in answering all of our questions..

 

[mage]

The only detail that ruins your theory for me is how come such experienced criminal enterprise disposed of the bodies practically in the backyard of one of their own. Especially Shannan, given the fact she just called 911, so LE and other people knew she was there that night.
i know this detail hasn’t been relevant so far, yet it doesn’t fit, IMO
Other than that, omg

PRECISELY my dear Watson.

Shannan called 911 and they won't release the call. Shannan was calling for help and begging for help,
BUT - rut row - she called the very people who were KILLING her.

They put the bodies in their back yard - because Suffolk county is their playpen. They exposed with that damn dog Blue
oh - lookie what was here - a skeleton - BAM-the press get involved
DOUBLE BAM - more press appearances by the people COVERING UP and PROTECTING the murderer.
BAM - did you happen to notice the murderer is SADISTIC?

and Serial Killers ALWAYS want to be noticed, get attention and have an audience and SCARE the public.

BINGO. LE knew Shannan was there that night because LE was involved with Brewer and Hackett more than you
have any idea.

 

[ManhattanCrystal]

Hi! This is my first post I’m excited to share theories, links, stories and hopefully one day the killer will finally be caught.

from what I learned from the other websites; Maureen, Megan, amber left behind their cell phones. Do you think they brought their burner/work phone? In the movie Lost girls, they said Shannon had 5 phones. Do you think the girls took their work phones? Melissa brought her cell phone. Do you think she hid it in her boots? Or bra? And it was discovered after the killer killed her?

Did the girls get a one way ride to the killer? Did the killer use his friend/driver to pick them up? Did the killer pick them up himself ?

 

[sbaxter1287]

Hello,

I am very new to this case and to this community. I have only recently begun seriously evaluating the Long Island Serial Killer case and as such have only viewed a limited amount of the available evidence. However, I do have a theory which I feel many people who have evaluated the case probably also consider true. This theory is that the victims that have come to be referred to as the GB4 can all be linked to one killer. I do not believe that this killer is the same individual responsible for the murder of the other victims found in the vicinity. There are two reason which have lead me to this conclusion. First: the staging of the bodies of the GB4. These victims where obviously positioned very intentionally. They were all close together and were all also wrapped in burlap. Second: the bodies of some of the other victims were dismembered which I feel may be too much of a deviation from the GB4 to be the work of the same killer.

I would love for anyone who disagrees with me to reply to this post with any information that may prove me wrong!

Also, if anyone agrees with me and have already developed any possible suspects or leads regarding the killer of the GB4 I would love to hear from you!

I look forward to evaluating any intriguing information regarding the GB4.
Thank you.

 

[annie mae]

Cell phones

We know Maureen had her cell phone with her, because there were pings traced to LI.

We know Melissa had her cell phone with her.

We know that Megan met her last client at 1:30 am, and left her cell
phone behind in the hotel room.

We know that Amber Lynn Costello was convinced to leave her cell phone behind.

What I find interesting about this information is, apparently, sometime between Maureen & Melissa's disappearance and Megan & Amber's disappearance, our sk seems to have come to the conclusion that he needed to get the girls to leave their cell phones behind. So, I'm asking myself what might have prompted this decision, and then it occurs to me...Shannan Gilbert. IF Shannan Gilbert is a victim of our sk, her death would have occurred prior to the murders of Megan Waterman and Amber Lynn Costello, and after the murders of Maureen Barnes and Melissa Barthelemy. Shannan was able to use her cell phone to call 911, and alert police to an area where they might look for her. It very possibly also put heat on the person who did kill her, if he lived here or had previously dumped the bodies of MBB and MB here. Cell phones ping...can't have that. Live and learn.

Bingo.