The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

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  1. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    This thread should concentrate on discussion of the GB4 and Shannan Gilbert and how the cases are intertwined and may relate to one another.

    GB4 -
    Maureen Brainard Barnes
    Megan Waterman
    Melissa Bartholemy
    Amber Lynn Costello


    Shannan Gilbert - Shannan's disappearance while running from a john's house in Oak Beach while on a distress call to 911 (May '10) subsequently led to the search (Dec '10) which discovered the remains of 4 women wrapped in burlap at Gilgo Beach.

    We can sleuth how the GB4 may be related to one another and how/if Shannan's disappearance could be connected.

    wm
     
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  3. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I'm going to put together a brief overview of the GB4 and SG from msm sources. Will take me a bit, though.
     
  4. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Maureen Brainard Barnes

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes of 180 Prospect St. was 25 when she was reported missing to Norwich police on July 14, 2007. Police said the investigation at the time revealed Brainard-Barnes had gone to New York City on July 9, 2007, and was expected to return the next day. When she did not return and could not be reached on her cell phone, family members and friends contacted police in Norwich and New York City.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/life-and-death-in-the-shadow-of-fear-2621735.html

    The 25-year-old brunette came into the city by train with two acquaintances, on the morning of July 9, 2007, to meet clients, a friend told reporters last week.

    Brainard-Barnes rang friends in distress that night from the Port Authority Bus Terminal in midtown Manhattan, saying she had been robbed of the money she earned that day.

    "She just wanted to come home," said the friend. "She said she was coming that night and would check in." She was never heard from again.


    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/life-and-death-in-the-shadow-of-fear-2621735.html

    (Not msm, I know...but info on Maureen is very scarce.)
     
  5. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Melissa Barthelemy

    Melissa Barthelemy was last seen on July 12, 2009, sitting on a curb outside the Bronx basement apartment she shared with her five cats. The 24-year-old Buffalo native had a "date" that night, but she wouldn't tell her on-again, off-again boyfriend with whom.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life.html

    The relative of a dead escort whose body was among the four discovered wrapped in burlap sacks on a remote Long Island beach received snide calls from a person using her missing sister's cell phone prior to her death, according to a published report.

    Police say most of the calls, which referred to 24-year-old Melissa Barthelemy from the Bronx as a "whore," came from the Midtown area, near Madison Square Garden and Times Square


    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...-by-Caller-Using-Victims-Cell--114641574.html
     
  6. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Megan Waterman

    New York investigators say they've identified one of the four bodies dumped on a Long Island beach as Megan Waterman, a 22-year-old from Scarborough, Maine.


    She was last seen at a Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, N.Y. on June 6 (2010). Her body was found Dec. 13 (2010).


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20028953-504083.html

    The laptop of an alleged New York pimp has been seized and searched in the Craigslist Long Island serial killer case.

    Akeem Cruz, who authorities have linked to slain woman Megan Waterman, is being examined by investigators in the hope it may lead them to the elusive serial killer. According to officials, Cruz is not a suspect in the case.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-504083_162-504083.html?keyword=akeem+cruz

    Note of interest: The last escort ad that WSer's traced to Megan was via a major escort service agency, listed under LI section). The ad was dated June 6, 2010 and listed the location as Suffolk.
     
  7. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    First step: What do we have, that connects SG to the GB4?

    - same area

    - the GB4 were found, when the police was actually looking for SG, even that was rather described as exercise for the K9 based on the scenario of the disappearance of SG.

    - similarity of the victim type basically only because also SG was a Craigslist excort and had a history of drug abuse and not so lucky times.

    Anything, I forgot?
     
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  8. Sistah Sleuth

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    Anything you forgot? Um....no. LOL It aint funny but its funny.
     
  9. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Amber Lynn Costello

    Amber disappeared from her North Babylon home on Sept. 2, 2010.

    In Costello and Schaller's system, an "incall" was preferable to an "outcall," but after the stranger called several times that evening, Schaller tells Newsweek's Christine Pelisek, Amber "felt comfortable with him." So after the the final call at 10:30—and the settlement on the unusually high price of $1,500—Amber left the modest gray-shingled house she shared with Schaller in West Babylon, New York, wearing a pink hoodie and jeans.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-serial-killer-a-victims-roommate-speaks.html
     
  10. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Common denominators with the GB4:

    1). All four victims advertized their services online.

    2). All four bodies were found on the same stretch of Gilgo Beach, each placed approximately 500 ft apart.

    3). All four victims died from strangulation/asphixiation (a ligature was found around the neck of one victim).

    4). All four victim's remains were wrapped in burlap.

    5). Both Amber Lynn Costello and Megan Waterman have been linked to the Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, NY. Megan was last observed walking away from the motel at 1:30 am the day she disappeared. According to Amber's roomate, the last client she had prior to her disappearance had also asked her to meet him at the same motel several weeks prior. Costello declined.

    6). Both Amber Lynn Costello and Melissa Barthelemy had been offered unusually large sums of money by the last client they saw before disappearing. Both Amber and Melissa were very secretive about this client, and both appear to have gotten into this client's vehicle.
     
  11. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    Well, then in the core, we can agree, she would fit the victimology, but there is no hard evidence linking her or dismissing her from the LISK2 case?
    How about the details of the night? She was seen running around, obviously under the influence of something (and I'm not especially good with drugs, so maybe someone with more knowledge can help out). We have Brewer, we have the Pak guy and we have of course CPH, somehow involved in that night.
    How does that fit the other cases?

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes came in, obviously this time only for one night. Was that her usual mode of operation because somehow, I have still doubts. She had that day/night more than one client, but shall I assume, she had them nicely lined up with no break in between? Or was there a break and where would she go in such a break time? She called that night from the bus terminal, which is in NY. She was robbed, so she had no money to go out to LI on her own. That would indicate, she was abducted in NY, most likely Manhattan?

    Amber Lynn Costello left from West Babylon to meet with a client, but no article mentions, it was a client on LI in the first place. From West Babylon, she would have about an hour drive to Manhattan, but only maybe half an hour into the middle class neighborhoods of Hempstead and East Meadows. Question is, are those still middle class (my knowledge about that area is rather decades old)? I still consider West Babylon more autonome, not sucked up by greater NYC, is that correct?

    Megan Waterman was last seen in Hauppauge, on LI. She worked there obviously more the seasonal clients which made it necessary to work out of a hotel. By all means, prostitution is partly travel business, is it? That doesn't mean, that she worked in other times rather the NYC area, because out of the summer season, I can't imagine LI as the big market for that kind of service (end of the summer, the number of male residents plunges). And when it comes to Akeem Cruz, wasn't he in jail while some of the other murders occurred? The last ad mentions, she is in the Suffolk area, which, at the time the ad was made, was probably true, because she worked out of a hotel the seasonal guests. Does that automatically imply, it would have been her base of operation in December or January?

    Melissa Barthelmy was last seen in the Bronx. She is the last victim if I see that right and the only case in which the family was called. Which in itself indicates an escalation, either in the sadistic way, or if I'm right with my earlier profile, in a mix of sexual sadism and over-righteous justification, which is hard to say without seeing transcripts. But while there was only one call from LI, near the dump site and obviously, when her body was dumped, the other calls were all from NY.

    My problem is, that all puts the connections between the GB4 much more to NYC than to LI. While SG definitively disappeared on LI.
     
  12. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    1).Maureen had been robbed, yes...but she had also deposited $900 in her account, so she had money.

    2). Amber lived in North Babylon.

    3). The first victim was Maureen Brainard Barnes (2007). The second was Melissa Barthelemy (2009). The 3rd was Megan Waterman ( June, 2010). The last victim was Amber Lynn Costello ( Sept., 2010). Assuming, of course, that Shannan Gilbert isn't a victim of the same SK. If she is, then she would be the 3rd victim, Megan the 4th and Amber the 5th.
     
  13. svpernin

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    Melissa wasn't the last victim of the GB4, she disappeared in 2009. Amber was the last to disappear in Sept 2010.
     
  14. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    We cross post here? :crazy:
    @Gothairjones: That article is about the other victims, not GB4

    @Mountain_Kat: Amber Lynn Costello left West Babylon that night at 10:30. I can't find the part, where her last client had asked her weeks ago to meet him in the same hotel (and if, what would be the meaning of this? Probably only, that he is married). How many hotels are there anyway which would look the other way with that business?
    I saw the part, where Costello was going for an unusual high honorary, but not the Barthelmy part. And if she was fetched by car, the driver would have to find that area in the Bronx first, right? West Babylon is a lot easier with navigation system, isn't it?
     
  15. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Costello lived on America Avenue in North Babylon. Some papers have reported it as West Babylon, but that is incorrect.

    No tell motels are everywhere in LI. So much so, that hobbyists on Utopia Guide created a list for them.

    Regarding Melissa and the sum of money she was offered:

    Her mother had no idea Melissa was advertising on Craigslist, selling her body on the streets of New York City, and working, on occasion, for an escort agency called James Bond Entertainment under the pseudonym Chloe. She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life.html

    The above article also mentions the Holiday Inn Express connection between Waterman and Costello.
     
  16. Peter Brendt

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    @Mountain_Kat & svpernin: Thanks for clearing that up. I try to win my overview back after all that chaos with the other thread, and I promise to raise my coffee level to a point, I can reasonably puzzle things together again ...

    However, right now, I am even more confused about some little details:

    1.) Maureen called, she had no money because she was robbed. Friends described that as kind of a distress call and claim, all she wante to do at that time, was to go home (Norwich). But she had those $900, she had only to use a bank card (in case the money was already deposited) or just deposit less. So, there is a contradiction in these two stories. What is the timeline? When did she deposit the money and where (as in where was the machine)? Was the distress call later or earlier?

    2.) The phone calls were all made in the Barthelmy case, but Amber was the last victim. Now, the calls were an escalation and there is no reason for the unsub, to roll that back. So, why were there no calls in the Costello case? What do we know about Costello's cell phone and about her family? Because there are only two possible explanations: Costello had on her cell no stored phone numbers (or no cell with her at all, but how likely is that) or there was no target in Costello's family that would have fit his fantasy/needs for a phone call.
     
  17. Mountain_Kat

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    According to Amber's roomate, she was instructed by her last client not to bring her phone that night.

    What is interesting is that, if SG is a victim of the same killer, she DID have her phone and a call did come in to her family from someone. Now if this call nearly got our guy nabbed, he might well start telling the girls not to bring a phone.

    Which now makes me wonder...did Meagan leave her phone behind? Anyone know?

    ETA: Now that I think about it, I seem to recall one of the girl's mom getting a call at work from someone claiming to be in LE, asking her for details of the case. She said she thought it very odd, and NOT LE. I want to say it was Megan's mother, but I'll have to check to be sure.
     
  18. Peter Brendt

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    Thanks for clearing that up, but it wouldn't change the travel times significantly. I will reowrd my question then: Is it easier to find a place in the Bronx or in North Babylon with nav?

    Then her last client wasn't the killer. The killer would have depended on having her phone to get the numbers of family.

    Now I feel stupid, because the only hookers, I was ever interested in were dead ones ... oh wait, maybe I shouldn't write that here? But seriously, there are a lot of them on LI in this area? Hour hotels or also the kind, where a prostitute and her pimp can set up some incall service for a time?

    What disturbs me about this article is, that her mother didn't know, nobody know, but everybody knew, she was getting $1000 from a client. The amount is consistent with the sum deposited (1000-900=100 leaving enough to take a bus home). So the sum seems plausible, but what doesn't appear plausible is persons, who don't know but then spill out what they know as fact. That is like nobody here knows what I had for breakfast but is assuming the pancakes were good. Of course, someone, my wife knows, I had no pancakes. So, who told about the $1000?
     
  19. Mountain_Kat

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    Melissa's boyfriend, Terry.
     
  20. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    So, she told him, what she would get, but not, who the client was. Later, she comes back, deposits $900, which basically proves, she must have been okay after that client and even later, she gets robbed at the bus terminal. But we know, she was otherwise still oaky, because she was obviously able to call friends ... which is the next riddle, because obviously, she knew, she had money at the bank, so there was not much of a reason for a distress call. Was the call later checked by LE, as in are they really sure, the call came from the bus terminal or the area around, or are we relying here on what she said to her friends? It's a bit speculation here, but we know, she didn't go to an atm to get money to ride the bus home, which would place the time of abduction around the time of those calls and there are cases known, especially if the unsub intends to keep the victim for a time, in which he made the victim call someone to tell them, everything is okay. I think, the complete transcript of these calls would be interesting too, and if it would be only to make sure, I'm wrong here.
     
  21. Mountain_Kat

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    You're mixing up Maureen and Melissa.

    Maureen was the one last seen at the bus terminal, who deposited $900 and who told her friends that she'd been robbed of her nights earnings.

    Melissa is the one who disappeared from The Bronx, told her boyfriend she had a client for $1000 that night, and was secretive about the client.

    With respect to the call Maureen made, I wouldn't characterize it as a distress call. More a weary, po'ed call. She'd made some money on the trip, deposited it in her account, then that night had gotten robbed of whatever earning she had on her from that particular day. The call to friends, imo, was more of a "I've had it, I'm coming home" call.
     

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