Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #43

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Ok, I am trying to understand PS's movements that day...
  • So he went for his usual morning walk, but does not remember if his wife went with him - was it on this particular day he spoke to the lady in the caravan?
  • He comes home and in no particular order: had something to eat on patio, heard kids playing, made 2 phone calls, packed his bag
  • His wife then leaves at 10.37am for bingo
  • He decides to make another light meal before his scheduled departure at 11am- he has the radio on (not sure if I have this correct)
  • Then a knock at the door from his neighbour.
  • He goes to check neighbour's house who was away and goes up the hill
So sometime after this he gets lost in the bush for 2 hours and doesn't get his brother from hospital as he is still there at 1pm when his BIL arrives. Do we know what time his wife arrived home?

IMOO
 
Well they are good points - hopefully the laser pointed inquest will address his movements and ask more questions tomorrow.
GJ must have a total fixation on this guy and must be desperate to have certain questions asked of him. I hope the court takes into account the information he has.
It seems wrong they won’t let him speak.
Surely if the inquest is to be thorough they must.
 
Ok, I am trying to understand PS's movements that day...
  • So he went for his usual morning walk, but does not remember if his wife went with him - was it on this particular day he spoke to the lady in the caravan?
  • He comes home and in no particular order: had something to eat on patio, heard kids playing, made 2 phone calls, packed his bag
  • His wife then leaves at 10.37am for bingo
  • He decides to make another light meal before his scheduled departure at 11am- he has the radio on (not sure if I have this correct)
  • Then a knock at the door from his neighbour.
  • He goes to check neighbour's house who was away and goes up the hill
So sometime after this he gets lost in the bush for 2 hours and doesn't get his brother from hospital as he is still there at 1pm when his BIL arrives. Do we know what time his wife arrived home?

IMOO

If he was lost in the bush for 2 hours but was seen at 1pm, then he had to have gone missing soon after checking the neighbours house. There is only around 23 minutes between his wife leaving and 11am, if his timelines are correct.
 
The brother in law GN wonder what time he arrived.

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2m2 minutes ago
The court heard Mr Newton arrived in Benaroon Drive around 1pm the day William went missing. He tells the court he noticed his brother-in-law Paul standing on the street with a group of locals. @10Daily @10NewsFirst

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #40

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 30s31 seconds ago
Mr Newton told the court he was planning to stay the night at Savage’s house and leave the next day. @10Daily@10NewsFirst

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #40

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 29s30 seconds ago
Mr Newton said when he left Benaroon Drive on the 13th, he did not notice any barriers at the end of the street and could not recall anyone stopping him on the way out. He has now been excused. @10Daily @10NewsFirst

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #40
I was wondering why PS would've been planning to leave for a few days when his BIL was coming to visit overnight. Not sure what time Mrs. S got home from bingo, but potentially that could have left her brother to arrive with nobody home. It's possible that Mrs. S was going to host her brother (not sure if his fam was also with him?) on her own while her husband tended to his own brother somewhere else, I suppose.
 
I have often wondered if Williams disappearance wasn't something nefarious but rather something unexpected, an accidental incident.
I am not saying I am sold on or implying the savages are now suspect no 1 but.....
it would make a lot of sense if so.

things that stick out to me about their morning.
- he can not recall if she went with him on the walk?....but can recall detailed information including talking to a woman for half hour.
-he remembers hearing children play early on but then didn't hear them yelling out for William.
-he was flapping around because she was running late for bingo.
-she was driving out her driveway exactly in the time frame William disappeared.
-he was all set to go to casino to help his ailing brother.....but suddenly didn't go.

I see the value in his presence at the inquest.

moo
I read that when PS went for his (almost) daily walks, his wife would sometimes accompany him, but that she would meet him at some point and finish the walk with him, and not go on the whole 2-hour walk; so I could see how he might not remember if she'd gone with him that time, depending on when he was questioned. He may have known she wasn't with him when he chatted with the woman with the trailer, so perhaps nothing in his head to highlight whether his wife did or didn't join up with him later?

He was a 14-year resident of the street, and suddenly, (seems like for the first time ever) there was all this flurry of activity on the street, and he said he was friendly with FGM, so I could see him changing his plans with his brother in order to help out in whatever way he could. jmo.

I'm thinking that if it was some kind of accident where, say W had run behind (or in front of) a vehicle and subsequently been hit/killed or something like that, a neighbour wouldn't seem to really have a reason for covering it up. As horrible as that would be for everyone, accidents do happen, and it could've been argued that the child wasn't expected to be there, nor perhaps even seen. Even if at first someone did cover it up after something like that, I would think it would be difficult to keep up the denial with police questioning and searches, all the press about it, etc., for all these years without caving in and admitting what happened. imo.
 
Just wanted to add, I know that the police have information that we don’t, but going by the information we have, there is only one living person who can verify where PS was at any given time between the time William went missing and 1pm- Anne Marie Sharpley. I’m not sure what time she knocked on his door (maybe 10.40 or 10.45?). She would likely have only talked to him for a short time, so other than that, we have nothing to verify where he was.
 
Just wanted to add, I know that the police have information that we don’t, but going by the information we have, there is only one living person who can verify where PS was at any given time between the time William went missing and 1pm- Anne Marie Sharpley. I’m not sure what time she knocked on his door (maybe 10.40 or 10.45?). She would likely have only talked to him for a short time, so other than that, we have nothing to verify where he was.
I think it had been said previously that AMS went to his door around 11am.

Also, nothing has been said during inquest about PS being 'lost' for 2 hours, and it seems that only one media outlet ever stated that PS had been lost. I'm waiting to see if he was actually 'lost', or if that may have just been some kind of 'editorial license' being taken by one writer. jmo.
 
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest

Couple of new snippets.....

The caravan woman was called Lyn.

Laura Beacroft states in her opinion William may have disappeared as early as 10:05 am.

‘Mr Savage’s third interview, without a lawyer present, had Mr Jubelin talking to him about where he was between 10am and 10.15am on September 12, 2014, when William vanished.

In the interview Mr Jubelin says to Mr Savage: “The direction that … William was last seen heading … was the direction right towards where you were sitting on the balcony, having your toast or whatever.

“Cause you’re sitting out on the balcony at the time William is playing with his sister making the noise; you may have seen him in the Spider-Man suit.

“William’s heading off in the direction you were sitting where there is a clear line of sight … from your veranda.”

‘The assertion was described today as “deeply troubling” and “possibly … careless” given that it could not definitively be determined what direction William had been going in when he vanished.‘

‘Detective Beacroft, a senior investigator on the William Tyrrell Strike Force, agreed with Mr McGorey that it could “not positively” be asserted what direction William had been going in.

Mr McGorey asked: “You can’t positively assert that Mr Savage had a clear line of sight?”

Detective Beacroft replied: “Yes I agree.”

Mr McGorey told the inquest that “it would be improper for a (police officer) to deliberately mislead Mr Savage … there are assertions that are deeply troubling to my client”.

Deputy State Coroner Harriet Grahame interjected, saying Detective Beacroft “has agreed it shouldn’t have been asserted and it should have been a hypothesis”.

Ms Grahame said the assertion by Mr Jubelin could have been “overstatement or carelessness”.’
 
It's starting to sound like a murder she wrote episode. All sugestions by WS sound legit....

My new theory...

They r trying to get PS as clear as day on times to rule him out.

Or. PS feels threatened and won't speak and saw something.

My thoughts...
  1. do all roads lead to taree?
  2. Why have some people been allocated to taree for the inquest? Others hours away?
  3. Why are the colour of cars sighted detailed for some, then others omitted.
  4. Why do all the street names seem familiar to the inquest, if I map out benaroon drive to taree?

I don't think PS had the time. Seems his day was pretty normal for him, and 14 years is a decent time to know someone (relationship with ffc mother. Would you hang around afterwards if you had an out to pick up your brother?

He seemed pretty relaxed leaving court today.

Imoo.
 
If he was lost in the bush for 2 hours but was seen at 1pm, then he had to have gone missing soon after checking the neighbours house. There is only around 23 minutes between his wife leaving and 11am, if his timelines are correct.

I agree the timeline does not seem to fit for PS to be the culprit.

He was on the phone til 10:08. Wife left 10:30 ish and AMS at his house around 11am.

IMOO
 
Police search teams converged yesterday on a timber yard and saw mill near where William Tyrrell disappeared, taking apart a large wood pile and sending a cadaver dog through the log piles.

The search of the yard, near Herons Creek Road and Logan’s Crossing, took place as the inquest into William’s disappearance was under way about 40 minutes away, at Taree courthouse.

A dozen police were assisted by State Emergency Service operators, who arrived with chainsaws.

A large excavator was also brought on to the site.

The dog ran over the woodpiles before they were taken apart.
NoCookies | The Australian
 
I agree the timeline does not seem to fit for PS to be the culprit.

He was on the phone til 10:08. Wife left 10:30 ish and AMS at his house around 11am.

IMOO
20 minutes is time enough. IMO. Also he told the inquest it was around 1037 his wife left and he was outside at 1038. As per Lia Harris tweets.That's half an hour. Not saying PS definitely did anything but he had the time. MOO
 
Paraphrasing some of article below:


There were dramatic scenes in the closed courtroom during one of many breaks in testimony, with former NSW homicide detective Gary Jubelin arguing forcefully for his right to defend his three-year investigation.


Mr Jubelin, whose 30-year career with NSW homicide imploded over his handling of the Tyrrell case, became infuriated after sitting through an hour’s evidence about the investigation he once led, in particular his repeated interrogation of an elderly man who lives on the street from which William disappeared. Paul Joseph Savage, 74, willingly took part in interviews, telling police he’d done no more on the morning of William’s disappearance than have tea and toast for breakfast; speak to his brother, who was in Casino hospital, by phone; and help his wife, Heather, clean up the kitchen.

He agreed during questioning at the inquest yesterday that he was outside his house about 10.38am on the day, waving off Heather as she headed to bingo.

That would place him on the street about the time William was out of his foster mother’s sight.

He had previously been pursued as a possible person of interest by Mr Jubelin, who stands accused of recording interviews with him without a warrant.

There is no suggestion Mr Savage remains a person of interest to the Tyrrell investigation.

He was quizzed about his movements during that period yesterday as he came face to face with Mr Jubelin in the courtroom.

........


Mr Jubelin is fighting charges against him, saying he had an “operational reason” to record a conversation with Mr Savage.

He has resigned from the police force but is keen to give evidence to the coronial inquiry.
...........
His frustration became apparent during a break in proceedings when he was seen having an argument with counsel assisting the coroner, Gerard Craddock.

The five-minute quarrel ended with Mr Jubelin striding from the court, fists clenched by his sides

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...m/news-story/28d195b3a770f4c6da60cbc36eedcf24
 
Paraphrasing some of article below:


There were dramatic scenes in the closed courtroom during one of many breaks in testimony, with former NSW homicide detective Gary Jubelin arguing forcefully for his right to defend his three-year investigation.


Mr Jubelin, whose 30-year career with NSW homicide imploded over his handling of the Tyrrell case, became infuriated after sitting through an hour’s evidence about the investigation he once led, in particular his repeated interrogation of an elderly man who lives on the street from which William disappeared. Paul Joseph Savage, 74, willingly took part in interviews, telling police he’d done no more on the morning of William’s disappearance than have tea and toast for breakfast; speak to his brother, who was in Casino hospital, by phone; and help his wife, Heather, clean up the kitchen.

He agreed during questioning at the inquest yesterday that he was outside his house about 10.38am on the day, waving off Heather as she headed to bingo.

That would place him on the street about the time William was out of his foster mother’s sight.

He had previously been pursued as a possible person of interest by Mr Jubelin, who stands accused of recording interviews with him without a warrant.

There is no suggestion Mr Savage remains a person of interest to the Tyrrell investigation.

He was quizzed about his movements during that period yesterday as he came face to face with Mr Jubelin in the courtroom.

........


Mr Jubelin is fighting charges against him, saying he had an “operational reason” to record a conversation with Mr Savage.

He has resigned from the police force but is keen to give evidence to the coronial inquiry.
...........
His frustration became apparent during a break in proceedings when he was seen having an argument with counsel assisting the coroner, Gerard Craddock.

The five-minute quarrel ended with Mr Jubelin striding from the court, fists clenched by his sides

NoCookies | The Australian
Ridiculous he can’t be heard
 
I find it weird that he was nagging his wife because she was running five minutes late for bingo. If that wasn't a problem for her, why was it for him? Because he's a creature of habit? Or was he anxious to get her out of the house that morning, did he want to leave after her and yet be gone before William's disappearance was discovered?
I’ve been thinking about this focus on his wife running late. Sort of gives him an alibi, doesn’t it? I wonder whether in fact she was running late or, in view of his confusion about some of the things he did that morning, he’s also mis-remembered that.
 
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