Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

[heartgoesout]

Unfortunately many posters from earlier on in this case have fallen by the wayside for whatever reasons. Some may have taken a break in frustration, focused elsewhere and just never returned. I'm sure the long period when the Delphi threads were closed down turned many people toward other cases or other sites altogether. I think it most likely that many have just grown frustrated over the years with no arrests in this case. It makes me sad to think that interest in posting on this thread could be dwindling, for lack of a better term. Hoping LE will give an update soon or something!!!

Many are still here.

 

[FinePrint]

@tresir2012 actually posted those yesterday, I believe. Just look back on the thread. These did help clarify mind about the times.

Ha, you caught me not looking back at recent posts!

So cool thanks @tresir2012 for posting all those GH time estimate videos. Great stuff!

So Abby photo at 2:07, BG imagine at between 2:20 to 2:30 and Cheyenne photos at 3:00 to 3:10.

What I’ve gained from this this that the girls spent quite a long time on the bridge. I forget how long someone estimated how long it takes to cross the bridge but it was I think under 10 minutes. Also keeping in mind they were around half way over the bridge when the Abby photo was taken. Looks like Cheyenne missed the whole thing by about 30 minuets.

 

[FinePrint]

So I wonder why the girls spent so much time on the bridge? Just being kids goofing off and talking pictures? Waiting for someone?

 

[heartgoesout]

Exactly!!! The sketches are so confusing IMO. The questions you’re asking are the same as to mine? Maybe LE needs to make another statement to thoroughly clairify the sketches.

Now why would LE want us all to be confused? Maybe because they were talking directly to the killer. BG understands the sketches. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

 

[TL4S]

So I wonder why the girls spent so much time on the bridge? Just being kids goofing off and talking pictures? Waiting for someone?

I wonder if BG got on the bridge about the time they got to the end. That could be around 2:10 - 2:12. Then it takes him 8-10 min. while they waited for him to cross. Or maybe he got on the bridge and loitered around, which forced them to wait and also get suspicious of him?

 

[tresir2012]

I wonder if BG got on the bridge about the time they got to the end. That could be around 2:10 - 2:12. Then it takes him 8-10 min. while they waited for him to cross. Or maybe he got on the bridge and loitered around, which forced them to wait and also get suspicious of him?

I think that is likely. He wasn't in the frame of the 2.07 p.m. photo was he and GH estimates 2.20 - 2.30 PM for his video walking on the bridge based on shadows. The girls would be just hanging around at the end of the bridge waiting for him to pass them at the end so they could cross back. Then he directs them DTH. Next person on the bridge would be the witness who takes her pic of the bridge at 3.00 p.m. By this time there was no sight or sound of BG or the girls.

All sources GH videos.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Unfortunately many posters from earlier on in this case have fallen by the wayside for whatever reasons. Some may have taken a break in frustration, focused elsewhere and just never returned. I'm sure the long period when the Delphi threads were closed down turned many people toward other cases or other sites altogether. I think it most likely that many have just grown frustrated over the years with no arrests in this case. It makes me sad to think that interest in posting on this thread could be dwindling, for lack of a better term. Hoping LE will give an update soon or something!!!

I haven’t been here since the beginning, but I have been here since the April PC. Still here

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Hi FinePrint,

Since it was Abby’s first time crossing the bridge she may have been walking hesitantly to make sure she didn’t fall.

JMO
~RIP M+J

So I wonder why the girls spent so much time on the bridge? Just being kids goofing off and talking pictures? Waiting for someone?

 

[Cutiekitty]

@tresir2012 actually posted those yesterday, I believe. Just look back on the thread. These did help clarify mind about the times.

I’m still not confident about the SC time. It’s not going to be off by much, but the shadow time did not convince me. I still say between 1:45 or so and 2:07. I won’t go into a long SC explanation about it again I promise

 

[JenniD]

Many are still here.

I have not been here since beginning but have been here everyday since April PC. I read everyday but just have nothing to add I still have my original POI and waiting patiently ( not really) for the day when we finally get an arrest
Just hope it happens before he strikes again

 

[Traymar]

Take this for what it's worth, but I gave a (softened) summary of this case to my almost-13-year-old daughter and my 19-year-old son - separately - and asked for their thoughts.

I also showed them the picture of BG (not the sketches) and played the longer audio clip where he says, "Guys... down the hill."

Interestingly they both immediately made the following observations:

• BG seems to be mid 20s to mid 30s.
• The girls either did not know or did not recognize BG
• BG has "done this before" (based on lack of hesitation or question in his voice)
• BG is not in a position of authority in his job/community

I was kind of shocked and a little creeped out that my kiddos came separately to the exact same conclusions (albeit worded differently, etc.). Who knows.

Anyway, both of my kiddos felt that BG was confident in his instructions/command to the girls but that he did not speak as one who is accustomed to being in a position of authority over students or children (such as a coach, teacher, or bus driver).

They also felt that if the girls knew or recognized BG, they would not have videotaped him. They found that suggestion almost absurd.

They agreed that a weapon, silently displayed, would motivate the girls to obey the order without hesitation.

Anyway, I just found this interesting and may ask my 17-year-old son his opinion later just out of curiosity. And like I said, take this for what it's worth.

MOO

 

[margarita25]

I have not been here since beginning but have been here everyday since April PC. I read everyday but just have nothing to add I still have my original POI and waiting patiently ( not really) for the day when we finally get an arrest
Just hope it happens before he strikes again

If he hasn’t struck again already.

ETA: Again it might not necessarily be younger or dual victims, moo. In fact, the crimes could be totally dissimilar.

One thing I see is sometimes these perps also commit crimes such as burglary, home invasions...again totally different MOs but I find it hard to believe he’s an upstanding member of society not committing any crimes, murder or not, moo. DV, bank robbery, if he can murder two little girls he’s capable of anything. Again, I’ll be surprised if this is his first or last crime.

What gives me hope is that sometimes these cold cases I see on Forensic Files, etc. eventually receive a big break, sometimes years later. Hopefully that’s coming. It may be later than sooner. I just saw a case where they got the guy 9 years later; unfortunately it was only after being busted for another brutal crime (the Forensic Files video I posted a few posts up).

 

[JnRyan]

Many are still here.

I've been here. I read a LOT of the posts, but I've missed a lot as well. In fact, things were moving so fast that I would come back from business trips and find I missed entire threads!

 

[Cutiekitty]

New subject to ponder....sundials. Can you determine the actual time of the SC photo based on the angle of the photo? I think you can, but I vaguely remember the sundial having to face true north to determine 12 and going from there. I haven’t even thought about sundials since I was a kid so I may be WAY off.

The bridge goes kind of NW (where you get on it) to SE (the end of the path). The angle of the pic appears to be either WNW or NNW it’s hard to tell. Off to google it and look at the bridge/Abby pic side by side. Will report back my findings (probably tomorrow).

GH irritates me, but he might have come up with something interesting reference the shadows. I didn’t see where he reoriented the photo in his video, but I might have missed it.

Edit: tonight I learned 12 is facing north according to this
How to make a sundial clock - Raising Arizona Kids Magazine . It’s too late to think about this and it is hurting my brain!

 

[distracted]

I am not the police, not even close. I just know that in any profession, we develop intuition that is probably based on own experience. But once in a blue moon, there comes the situation that is so rare, maybe 1/2 line in textbooks, and it defies all experience, it can later get into articles and maybe become the first one published. But with these situations, intuition is silent. I saw it, once, and several specialists were profoundly mistaken, because it was a rarity among all rarities.

What if this is such case for the LE? Well-planned, random, no witnesses, no electronic traces. Little DNA. Contaminated scene. The plan and the retreat have been made well in advance.

And if you look at Carroll County police department FB, their average cases are psychotic meth heads shooting fireworks from their cars, abandoned animals, fights, cooking some crazy brews. They deal with it. They have experience and know the people. And then, something like this comes along. And they are making mistakes, for sure. But maybe it is above everyone’s head?

ETA: why does Britain have cameras everywhere, and we don’t? Money issue? Or just laziness?

(Seriously, get on their page and look at the faces of their usual clientelle... we should have a thread about the drug problem because it is killing everything around.)

Jonbenet Ramsey or Madeleine McCann come to mind. There are cases, on the surface, which appear to be fairly easy to solve but outside circumstances create a perfect storm making it very difficult.

My hope is that one day we'll learn why this killer has evaded prosecution because there's valuable insight to be gained from cases like these.

 

[distracted]

Now why would LE want us all to be confused? Maybe because they were talking directly to the killer. BG understands the sketches. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Or, maybe they were talking directly to family members as well.

ETA: I mean family members of the killer not the girls' family members.

 

[MsMarple]

Unfortunately many posters from earlier on in this case have fallen by the wayside for whatever reasons. Some may have taken a break in frustration, focused elsewhere and just never returned. I'm sure the long period when the Delphi threads were closed down turned many people toward other cases or other sites altogether. I think it most likely that many have just grown frustrated over the years with no arrests in this case. It makes me sad to think that interest in posting on this thread could be dwindling, for lack of a better term. Hoping LE will give an update soon or something!!!

I was here from the very beginning and still check in even though I don't post much currently. I don't have anything constructive to add at this point so I watch and wait...

I suspect many members are still around too and like me are waiting for a break in the case.

 

[PaulaDC]

So Abby had a kindle and a phone? I thought she only had an iPad?
And they were found alongside each other?

Also from the article -

"The next day – Monday – I talked to Abby on the phone in between my shifts. The girls had a school holiday and she asked if she could stay until dinnertime. I told her I’d pick her up around 8pm when I finished work.”

So I wonder why Abby didn't mention going to the bridge?

Also says the girls were hidden, wonder if that made them even less visible. Also I've read DG lived with M&BP. Why does this article skirt around that?

 

[margarita25]

An interesting article on DNA and “age”:

Understanding Genetics
Can you tell someone's age from their DNA?
February 25, 2015

 

[SilentRogue]

Jonbenet Ramsey or Madeleine McCann come to mind. There are cases, on the surface, which appear to be fairly easy to solve but outside circumstances create a perfect storm making it very difficult.

My hope is that one day we'll learn why this killer has evaded prosecution because there's valuable insight to be gained from cases like these.

There is nothing that makes those cases, or this one, easy to solve.