Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

    link to post with all threads 1-99 (courtesy of margarita25)

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    Thread #109 - Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #109
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    Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

    RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION

    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.


    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

    Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

    4) If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.
     
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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

    We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
    If you want someone to PM you then what you do is you PRIVATE MESSAGE THEM FIRST and ask them whatever.

    You do not stop the whole discussion and ask someone to PM you.

    We will be giving long time-outs to anyone who says they have the information they can only share in PM's or words to that effect.

    We call that "baiting" and it makes me crazy. It is so frustrating to try and get things under control when someone recklessly posts a cryptic post creating a frenzy of posts asking to be PM'd.
    Please be mindful of our rules.
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    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    FWIW, I've been following the Jonelle Matthews case - so glad she was finally found!

    I can't help but think - and this is just a hunch - that Abby and Libby's killer may be like the POI in Jonelle's case.

    Found Deceased - CO - Jonelle Matthews, 12, Greeley, 20 Dec 1984

    ETA: @kiaatcher , just read your post right above mine. I think we are on the same wavelength, per se.
     
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    Yes. Either that, or they did not collect all the DNA.

    How do you proceed if all DNA is accounted for? I am not a criminologist, but i’d look at the amount and places this DNA is found at. Predictably, there should be a lot of KG’s DNA, and DNA from German’s house, but not at certain parts of the bodies, for example. The girls went through the creek...some of the DNA should have been washed off. Libby fought, they said, so there should be some “new” DNA on her hands.

    And then, there are people excluded by the alibis, right? And some, not yet.

    Also, there might be animal DNA if the person is a hunter. Dogs DNA. One could find out the breed. JMO.
     
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    If I remember correctly they have not made any statements on whether or not there was DNA available.
    However, the presser in June/July alluded to the idea, at least IMO, that there was DNA evidence of some sort, and that the perp possibly could be avoiding leaving DNA in public.
    They are being very shut about the case, and I still can't figure out the reason why. Was the scene so awful that there's barely anything that can be shared, especially with their ages? Are they close to solving the case? Do they have someone specific on their minds? Who knows...
    I keep getting flashbacks to the Jayme Closs case with this, and it angers me how important, smaller details were overlooked. I hope to God that isn't happening with A&L.
    Also, @Charlot123 , is there more issues within the LE of Carroll County that I'm not aware of?
    Edit: Just found out what an unlawful proposition means...that's definitely sus. Are we allowed to discuss sex offenders without LE verification that they are a suspect?
     
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    I just posted this 2 pages back. From the beginning they said yes dna evidence.
    DNA evidence is top priority in Delphi murder investigation
     
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    Jax49 Florida Native

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    I'm not a mod, but from post 1, page 1:

    RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION
    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.


    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!
     
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    Thank you! I guess the important factor at this point, which you all have discussed, is how much they have.
    Thank you. I guess it's a good time to bump some of these rules :)
     
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    That LE is like the Delphian Oracle, “if you cross the river, you will destroy the greatest empire”, but not saying it will be your own empire...
     
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    I naively thought that “unlawful proposition” was hinting at a bribe. I looked up this dude, it has been in the news before.

    This is not about the police, but I think has not been mentioned here.

    Chicago police: Indiana man solicits girl for sex, meets undercover cops instead

    I felt I needed to link it.
     
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    It would be very interesting, a brainstorming team.
     
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    How do you know they’re not? Maybe his alibi isn’t budging? Maybe they’re already on to him. Moo
     
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  18. You (LE) HAVE the tips; why does it take so long to arrest him, damn it again?! <-------- My taking on this case. ;)
     
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    I agree. There was a guy who came from Logansport on the day all the roads were blocked, just to visit the trails and bridge and reporters spoke to him at the time and he just had to turn back. I have posted the article before and it is in the media thread. Can't find it now though. I think your circle is about right. Logansport to Lafayette at least. This does not include persons who live way outside that area and return to visit family.
     
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    Check all the accounted for alibis. Go back and check them again in case there is a change.
     
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